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23 Jul 2008 12:42 pm

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Patrick Ruffini slams the Obama campaign for using a foreign language in its promotional material for an event in Germany. Apparently it's now unpatriotic to so much as concede that they speak foreign languages in foreign countries. Or maybe American politicians should only be allowed to speak in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, and the UK.

Meanwhile, I understand that as a campaign tactic, contemporary conservatism's reliance on the national security issue and contemporary conservatism's embrace of xenophobia and insularity go together like a horse and carriage. But serious people ought to be able to understand that if you want the United States of America to play a global role, that the leading figures in shaping foreign policy shouldn't be infected by this sort of proud ignorance of the world beyond our borders. There's a coherent strain of conservatism out there that would combine dispositional insularity with advocacy of an actually insular foreign policy (read The American Conservative magazine or Pat Buchanan's books if you want to find it) but that's not where the mainstream GOP is and it's certainly not where John McCain is. But if you have these kind of grand aspirations for America on the world stage, then you need some internationally oriented people at the top. The kind of people who, you know, don't think it's crazy to use the German language in Germany.

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Some of Ruffini's readers are taking him to task for just this: German in Germany? Say it ain't so!

What a moron.
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I call bollocks!

I'm with Ruffini on this one. Any language that allows words like -

Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän

to enter its vocabulary is one whose extinction we should strongly encourage.

How can Obama expect to be taken seriously as an candidate for the U.S. presidency by using any language but American English? What's next - spelling "color" as "colour" like those high-minded Brits from whose imperialist hands we wrenched our independence?

Obama deserves a good smacking-down, like the one Bush gave that traitorous journalist, David Gregory, who had the temerity to question Jacques Chirac in French. Everyone knows true patriots only use American English!

That's (one of the many) reasons why current movement conservatism is so intellectually bankrupt (it's morally bankrupt as well, but for other reasons). That same incoherency is present on so many levels (see, e.g., the embrace of endless tax cuts without a coherent strategy for reigning in spending).

There are plenty of strains of conservatism that are, whatever one thinks of them, are at least intellectually coherent - not just the paleo strain that you reference. But people holding fast to intellectually coherent beliefs have no place in contemporary movement conservatism.

I'm digging the Russian Constructivist-esque propaganda poster

Matt, I know Atrios has this trademarked and all, but this Ruffini attack doesn't call for any analysis beyond:

Q. Why did Patrick Ruffini attack Barack Obama for ___?

A. Because Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for president, and likely to win.

Oh, and Ruffini's a fucking moron, as is anyone with whom this gains traction.

On the other hand, were we to stop over-analyzing political bullshit, we'd have to do other things with our time.

Maybe Lou Dobbs will follow up with a report on the discovery of salmonella in imported bratwursts.

I seem to remember, back in 2000, a certain politician taking great pride in his alleged ability to address Spanish-speakinbg US voters in Spanish. Donde esta el arbusto ahora?


And look at that poster -- the date has the number before the month, and the time is on a 24-hour clock -- and what the hell is UHR? All extremely un-American.

If American English was good enough for Jesus it should be good enough for Obama! ;-)

Perhaps Ruffini is objecting to the German-language propaganda in the poster: "Tickets not required," or "This is a free event open to the public," or "Please use public transportation". . . How un-American of Obama.

I'm digging the Russian Constructivist-esque propaganda poster

Worse. I think it looks like an Ice Show poster.

Ruffini:
That's breathtakingly arrogant, and par for the course for Barack Obama.

"Arrogant" is the new "uppity negro"

Of course, Obama's poster isn't nearly as shocking as this, in which a US politician actually speaks in German:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6nQhss4Yc

I think he's ACTUALLY complaining about the implications of Obama using campaign money for what is essentially a campaign rally in another country. He seems to be bothered not by the language per se (rather, he is just drawing a connection to an earlier 'scandal') but by the idea that the Obama campaign thinks that it's politically expediant to spend time and money on a campaign rally in Germany.

Frankly, the purpose of showing that Obama has enthusiastic support among residents of other Western nations seems like a perfectly legitimate marketing purpose to me. Nonetheless, this post is not about what you say it's about.

Here's the copy for McCain's poster:

"Rally. RAL-LEY! R-A-L-L-Y. For John McCain. No, not Johann, JOHN. At 4 o'clock. FOUR O'CLOCK. Do you speak English?"

We in Berlin are looking forward to Obama-mania tomorrow. I was even given one of those nice little handouts in German earlier today near the Hackesche Markt.

I'm digging the Russian Constructivist-esque propaganda poster.


Worse. I think it looks like an Ice Show poster.

It reminds me of the cover of Kraftwerk's Man-Machine. That should score points with the Germans!

Maybe Ruffini should learn to think in English if he's going to write articles here in the States. Perhaps his muddled thinking is a result of speaking only in Pig Latin and thinking in morse code.

Another author to dump in the trash bin...

How effective is this in Ohio among older working class whites given that Obama is educated, black and, well, cosmopolitan?

Ugh. Noise machine. They want you to talk about bullshit like flyers so you won't talk about the real issues.

Mission accomplished.

Why you got to use all them fancy words & sh*t? Maybe you're just tryin' to confuse Good Patriot American Conservatives -- 'cause we know how to use the English that God taught us.

I'm disappointed in Patty-poo. The right has been making all sorts of lamebrained "it's like the fascism" "they're fanatics" "messianic" cries about Obama having the nerve to be popular and inspiring. Then Obama goes to the trouble of printing up a poster in German and they can't even take the bait. What has happened to our once proud Republican smear merchants?

http://thesebastards.blogspot.com/

I think he's ACTUALLY complaining about the implications of Obama using campaign money for what is essentially a campaign rally in another country.

You're reading more coherence into dumbass' post than is actually there. He brings up foreign language campaign materials more than once, but the whole thing boils down to OBAMA = ARROGANT - FOREIGN = SUSPICIOUS - ARGLE BARGLE - BITTER, BITTER, BITTER.

Just another waste of bandwidth.
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The commenters on that site, what a bunch of fucking morons.

Of course producing handouts in German is the first step towards bending the knee to the Euro-transnationalist-agenda across the board. A Rubicon has been crossed!

If Obama panders to their Germanphilia, how are they going to realize they should speak English?

How well does anti-German affect play in the US today? I've never run into much of it, with the funny German accent stick being pretty much a form of benign humor. The only cases I've encountered are from the 2003 Iraq War period, and they struck me as pretty pathetic and deranged, as well as motivated by generalized xenophobia, not any specific anti-German affect.

My take is that the anti-German hook is a way of being xenophobic without being called on it by ethnically mobilized groups in the US, like Italians or Chinese. Sort of like picking on the French.

He looks like the Silver Surfer in that poster.

lampwick:

It's even longer, actually. I love it.

Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän

And anyway, Wilson's right. I would add that not only is it a perfectly legititmate tactic in appealing to an American electorate fed up with Bush-style unilateralism that actually is arrogant, but that Obama's use of camapign funds is downright generous. He's doing more to improve America's public image abroad than Karen Hughes ever did, and on his camapaign's own dime!

Oh, and that site has the stupidest comments I've ever seen.

agreed
Submitted by larrymedium on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 23:53
it's truly dangerous to have these kinds of connections to foreign peoples who could try and impose their socialism on our way of life.
and you know what? i bet they didn't even hire german agents to do their bidding. i bet someone in his campaign actually speaks german.
scary.


fundraising
Submitted by ncchris on Wed, 07/23/2008 - 09:18.
Someone needs to print this out, and send to every wealthy holocaust survivor in America, with a form to donate to the McCain campaign.

Creepy II !
Submitted by WGPu on Wed, 07/23/2008 - 08:45.
The graphics of the handbill and posters, and the choice of Berlin, make this Obama rally really creepy. Since I've just finished reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, I am struck by the similarities between Hitler and Obama in orchestrating this rally. Mercifully (Hopefully) they'll be no SA folks there to ensure that folks behave.

Where are Leni and Albert when Barack needs them?
Submitted by jpr9954 on Wed, 07/23/2008 - 08:38.
Now, in his time of need, Barack must do without the two Germans who really knew how to put on a campaign rally and then film it - Albert Speer and Leni Reifenstahl. Alas for Barack (but not maybe the rest of us), Albert died in 1981 and Leni in 2003.
I guess he can have David Axelrod study "Triumph of the Will" for some pointers. To make it easier for him, I found that Best Buy has it for $29.99.


If Obama is the new Hitler, does that make Maliki the new Chamberlain?

That's a bloody gorgeous flyer. The Germans like their sans serifs, but Gotham is very not-Helvetica.

Shorter Ruffini: Americans abroad must be assholes in order to be patriotic.

"English, the language of the new American Empire."

-- PNAC, People for New American Control

How will we ever be sure of what surrenders Obama has promised for the Hun menace by using their secret coded 'language' to keep honest Americans from checking his Caliphate dreams?

It's even longer, actually. I love it.

Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän

It's longer because of the recent spelling reforms. It used to be shorter, with the 3rd f being dropped. But nobody follows the new rules.

(1) of course the right will say the main issue is "what is an American presidential candidate doing campaigning in Germany? -- we want someone who'll be president of 'Murka and represent us ... not those dirty moonbat furriners" (of course, the same people will say that we "Jews should vote for McCain because He's Better for Israel(TM)").

(2) Following up on Stefan's point -- remember German was both the language of the Nazis but also the language (in the form of Yiddish) of a vast many Jews back in the day. Attacking Obama's German-language-speaking is a way both simultaniously smear him as both an anti-Semite/Nazi as well as a secret Jew (er, secret Muslim) and appeal to the latent anti-Semitism of the right without being called on a clumsy "liberal fascism" type comparison nor on being anti-Semitic.

"And why the outrage? Michael Deaver certainly carefully staged Reagan's foreign trips partly as a way to get people to vote for him in the US."

One of Ruffini's commenters noted this fact. Hmmm...anyone got any video or audio from St Ronnie's foreign adventure?

Can I be the first to state that, in addition to lots of Germans that like Obama, there are actual Americans in Europe that may only get one chance to attend an Obama rally? Why wouldn't the Obama campaign want lots of people to attend the event? I believe we still have a military base or two on German soil. Obama may want their votes.

The GOP outrage machine just gets stupider and stupider. Does Patrick Ruffini really believe we won't be able to find a McCain poster written in Spanish intended for Spanish-speaking Americans (and on American soil)? Did McCain hold any events in Columbia? Were there posters or billboards? This may not be a can of worms they really want to open.

I agree that the Ruffini comments are purely ridiculous, but i still think that the entire Oktoberfest-in-July Brabdenburggategate party idea was dumb politics from the start. Do Americans care that Europe is going gaga over Obama? Isn't that a bad thing in many swing voters' minds?

Sure, we should pursue what is Right and Good in a presidential candidacy, and it is Good and to be desired that the candidate this year hold the promise of restoring America's respect in the world (though I don't think anything about Obama's popularity will accomplish as much in that regard as a truth commission and possible prosecution of Bush Administration war criminals starting in 2009 would).

But from a practical U.S. electoral (college) perspective, do Indiana or western Virginia voters (many of whom feel they do not yet know Obama because they're among the 75% of voters who didn't actually give enough of a shit about the primamries to vote, but are nevertheless considering him)care or particularly want to see him hailed as an international icon of internationalism by 200,000 Berliners screaming "Ich liebe Obama"?

In othre words, is this really the best use of his time? Doesn't it massively feed into the "It's about him, not about you" line of attack?

And hasn't the trip been such an astonishing success on the military-foreign affairs front that a big foreign-language rally to cap it off seems a bit hubristic? I think they should call it off and bring him home to campaign among some actual voters.

That said, the poster is sweet, and i would like to own one as a historical item at least if not for aesthetic and possibly financial reasons besides.

The crowd still won't be as large as the crowds that turned out for Nixon in Alexandria as his administration back home, mortally wounded by Watergate, was circling the bowl.

But that was a visit by a Head of State to our good ally Egypt, and had nothing to do with generating countervailing media, especially catchy visuals.

The GOP did it first, did it more, and still does it better.

Can I be the first to state that, in addition to lots of Germans that like Obama, there are actual Americans in Europe that may only get one chance to attend an Obama rally? Why wouldn't the Obama campaign want lots of people to attend the event? I believe we still have a military base or two on German soil. Obama may want their votes.

The GOP outrage machine just gets stupider and stupider. Does Patrick Ruffini really believe we won't be able to find a McCain poster written in Spanish intended for Spanish-speaking Americans (and on American soil)? Did McCain hold any events in Columbia? Were there posters or billboards? This may not be a can of worms they really want to open.

How well does anti-German affect play in the US today?
Posted by stefan | July 23, 2008 1:27 PM

McCain had better hope it's a lot. With Iraq breaking Obama's way what does McCain have left to run on besides his early and principled opposition to the Kaiser?

I remember George Bush and then Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien speaking at a joint press conference once a few years ago. Chretien answered a few questions in French--as Canadian Prime Ministers always do--and Bush smirked in disbelief all the way through it. Those backwards Canadians...

One of these days a Democratic candidate is going to answer questions in Spanish. GOP nationalists will be outraged but the Dems will pick up every Latino vote out there.

I remember when Ruffini was supposed to be one of the bright young lights of the conservative blogosphere. That's what we're up against? I'm more optimistic about November than ever.

What's wrong with a steamboat ride on the Danube? Somebody's got to drive the boat you know.

Does Patrick Ruffini really believe we won't be able to find a McCain poster written in Spanish intended for Spanish-speaking Americans (and on American soil)?

ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohPLEASE!

Yes, precisely, my God! The Obamaphenomenon is soon with great Germanpeoplesenthusiam to the Victorycolumn about to come!

You're intentionally trying to conflate issues here.

Why is Obama campaigning amongst the general public in Germany the same way he would in America -- by putting out posters and flyers on the streets of Berlin?

When they are abroad, we expect our politicians to act like statesmen, not hold political rallies promoted by the campaign.

The language on the sign is immaterial. The issue is electioneering on foreign soil.

"(2) Following up on Stefan's point -- remember German was both the language of the Nazis but also the language (in the form of Yiddish) of a vast many Jews back in the day. Attacking Obama's German-language-speaking is a way both simultaniously smear him as both an anti-Semite/Nazi as well as a secret Jew (er, secret Muslim) and appeal to the latent anti-Semitism of the right without being called on a clumsy "liberal fascism" type comparison nor on being anti-Semitic.

Posted by DAS | July 23, 2008 1:37 PM"

Very true. I bet these GOP xenophobic morons think Kafka was being anti-Semitic by writing in German.

Why is Obama campaigning amongst the general public in Germany the same way he would in America -- by putting out posters and flyers on the streets of Berlin?

He's giving a public speech in a foreign country. He's not going to ask any Germans for their vote, I assure you. The only similarity to campaigning in the US is that he's handing out flyers so the crowds know where to go.

Why is Obama campaigning amongst the general public in Germany the same way he would in America -- by putting out posters and flyers on the streets of Berlin?

Umm...to advertise the event, retard?

"Since I've just finished reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, I am struck by the similarities between Hitler and Obama in orchestrating this rally. Mercifully (Hopefully) they'll be no SA folks there to ensure that folks behave." -some dipshit commenter at another site, quoted above

Someone should be struck by something else, upside the head, if that's their reading of either history or current events, because it's Bush and McCain who are hand-selecting their audiences and "ensur[ing] that folks behave," by having anyone suspected of considering expressing any kind of contrary and non-conservative opinion arrested and removed from public campaign events.

The poster's German for The, Bart, The!
/obligatory Simpsons

What no-doubt bothers Ruffini the most is that Obama is acting consistently statesmanlike on this trip. As long as he doesn't rub Merkl's shoulders he's plus 1 over Bush. Also, Anti-German doesn't play in PA or OH.

Patrick: is that why you fault him twice for printing up "campaign paraphenalia in a foreign language"? You shouldn't be surprised when people seize on the most laughable part of your post.

The second most laughable part is the pretense that it's uncommon for American politicians to stage-manage foreign appearances and rallies to increase their domestic popularity. You might start your research on this with the sainted Ronald Reagan.

Wow, Patrick, that walk-back didn't take you very long, did it?

Allow me to quote the 1st half of your piece we're discussing here:

This is pretty extraordinary. A candidate for the American Presidency is using flyers printed in German to turn people out for his campaign rally in Berlin on Thursday. This flyer can be found on a bilingual page on BarackObama.com advertising the event:

picture of the flyer, seen above

The German flyers bear Obama's campaign logo and say "Paid for by Obama for America."

I'm surprised at this lapse in judgment in an otherwise well-oiled and professional Obama campaign. The last time they printed up campaign paraphenalia in a foreign language, it didn't work out so hot for them.

To be fair, you do go on to criticize the fact that Obama is doing a campaign event in Germany. But since you're evidently uninterested in defending your argument that foreign-langauge materials are, in and of themselves, a bad thing, can we assume you'll post a follow-up apologizing for your silly argument?

You might also think about a new title for the piece, which is, "Obama Campaign Prints German Language Flyers for Berlin Rally", not "Obama Rallies on Foreign Soil."

Patrick -

Germans don't vote in our elections. Ergo, it is not a political rally.

No one will be there against their will; so it's hardly the case that he'll be using them as props. Nor will they be blocking dissenters from attending, unlike every modern GOP gathering.

Does the campaign want positive images out of the event? Yes, that's why they're forking over a few hundred thou for event prep. But what's the sin in that?

Now, maybe it's a dumb idea, and images of the rally will cost Obama 5% in the polls. If so, then I'll say that you were right. At the moment it just looks like sour grapes.

Patrick, let's look at what you wrote, shall we?

This is pretty extraordinary. A candidate for the American Presidency is using flyers printed in German to turn people out for his campaign rally in Berlin on Thursday. This flyer can be found on a bilingual page on BarackObama.com advertising the event:

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The German flyers bear Obama's campaign logo and say "Paid for by Obama for America."

I'm surprised at this lapse in judgment in an otherwise well-oiled and professional Obama campaign. The last time they printed up campaign paraphenalia in a foreign language, it didn't work out so hot for them.

Now you say, "The language on the sign is immaterial"? Then why did you lead with that and make such a huge deal of it? And if your point was about campaigning on foreign soil, why did you compare it to his entirely domestic (and yes, idiotic) use of latin on a campaign seal?

You could have written a post about the impropriety of having campaign events abroad that didn't focus on language. Instead, you made language important (presumably to distinguish Obama's campaigning abroad from McCain's campaigning abroad).

Have the courage of your convictions, Patrick.

1. I spent a summer in Germany staying with my cousin who was stationed overseas. Trust me, there are a lot of Americans posted over there who will want to see Obama speak too.

2. This poster appears to advertise the event, not ask for the German public to cast a vote. The electioneering charge is ridiculous.

Q - What do you call someone that speaks three languages? A - Trilingual

Q - What do you call someone that speaks two languages? A - Bilingual

Q - What do you call someone that speaks one language? A - An American.

Genau!

> but i still think that the entire Oktoberfest-
> in-July Brabdenburggategate party idea was
> dumb politics from the start. Do Americans
> care that Europe is going gaga over Obama?
> Isn't that a bad thing in many swing voters'
> minds?

No, I don't think so. Americans are full of self-admiration and strongly believe in the essential goodness of their country, a belief held by almost all of them to various degrees, from the reddest hick to the bluest elitist.

Thus Americans crave (or rather regard as their birthright) the adulation of foreigners and they hate the contempt and ridicule they received from abroad for what most realize were major missteps during the last 8 years (deep down, even most Republicans would admit that the last 8 years saw lots of mismanagement and blunders).

Therefore, seeing their presumed future represenative bath in foreign admiration will validate the Americans' sense of themselves ("we are essentially good guys, the best and beautiful"), which will be a HUGE contrast to the constant shame and ridicule their self-image endured during the Bush years.

Americans are going to love it because they love themselves and aren't immune to flattery. Don't be so naive.

I've got four words for Ruffini:

"Ich bin ein Berliner"

Video here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Pjn5E6yOKo

BTW - there are no US bases or posts anywhere close to Berlin. I doubt there will be few "Americans based in Germany" anywhere in the crowd.

"I am a jelly-filled pastry."

Ruffini says: "The language on the sign is immaterial."

Just pointing out one more time that the TITLE OF THE FRICKING POST IS: "Obama Campaign Prints German-language Flyers for Berlin Rally."

You're embarrassing yourself in public here.

"I am a jelly-filled pastry."

Speaking of statesmanlike and mature ("When they are abroad, we expect our politicians to act like statesmen, not hold political rallies promoted by the campaign," claims Patrick Ruffini, above), how about this action (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/21/132645/890) by Condoleezza Rice, screwing with Obama because, in the immortal words of an '80s movie, she *can*.

Thanks for the attempted explanation, Patrick, but we'll be taking etiquette lessons from someone whose former employers *aren't* widely-reviled war criminals. But you would make a good (old) German.

The language is immaterial, as most Germans could read it in English, yes. (Ben Franklin wanted German as America's national language, btw.)

Also, as a free citizen of the world is Obama not a citizen of Berlin?

One can imagine that, in principle, Ruffini might have been put off by the idea of something like a campaign rally in Berlin. In practice, Ruffini's xenophobic instincts took over and he couldn't help but write a post about how the real offense was printing up posters and advertisements in German.

Re otto

Well, well, so the Israel bashing antisemite Herr otto is a Kraut. I guess he just wants to complete the Fuhrers' work, begun in 1942. I have a flash for Herr otto, never again.


Re Patrick Ruffini

Mr. Ruffinis' drivel merely demonstrates the desperation of the radical right, facing ruin in November. If that's the best they can do, Senator Obama doesn't have much to worry about.

Ben Franklin wanted German as America's national language, btw.

This is a widespread urban legend. Just google it.

I think Ruffini should praise Obama for associating with the language of the Herrenrasse. After all, the seeds for the downfall of America society in the 1960s were laid by Jesse Owens in 1936.

Those who don't understand sarcasm are doomed to misconstrue it.

I used to really like America. I thought Ronald Reagan was a good president. I am Canadian, and I once thought it might be better to live in America, and to maybe become an American. But this, not to mention you people (you deserve collective guilt after all you have done), is so dumb that I am almost in tears. What happened? Did 9/11 really change everything? In terms of moral force, the ability to project force without resorting to massacre, and the respect it garners in the rest of the world, America is right up there now with Pakistan, minus its huge pool of talented, ambitious potential economic migrants. You lost to Osama bin Laden, big time. I think you're done, which means Canada is, too. Thanks.

Ben Franklin wanted German as America's national language, btw.

This is a widespread urban legend. Just google it. The claim seems to have originated as a smear on legislators who wanted to print US laws in German so German only speakers could understand them.

For instance:


The translation proposal itself originated as a petition to Congress on March 20, 1794, from a group of Germans living in Augusta, Virginia. A House committee responding to that petition recommended publishing sets of the federal statutes in English and distributing them to the states, together with the publication of three thousand sets of laws in German, "for the accommodation of such German citizens of the United States, as do not understand the English language." (American State Papers ser. 10, v. 1:114). According to the succinct report in the Aurora Gazette, "A great variety of plans were proposed, but none that seemed to meet the general sense of the House." (22 January, 1795, p. 3). ...

One month later, on February 16, 1795, the House once again considered the question of promulgating the laws, and among the issues, once again, was translating the federal statutes into German. This time some of the actual debate has been preserved. Rep. Thomas Hartley of Pennsylvania argued that "it was perhaps desirable that the Germans should learn English; but if it is our object to give present information, we should do it in the language understood. The Germans who are advanced in years cannot learn our language in a day. It would be generous in the Government to inform those persons. Many honest men, in the late disturbances [the Whiskey Rebellion], were led away by misrepresentation; ignorance of the laws laid them open to deception." ...

Rep. William V. Murray of Maryland, who opposed translating the laws into German, countered "that it had never been the custom in England to translate the laws into Welsh or Gaelic, and yet the great bulk of the Welsh, and some hundred thousands of people in Scotland, did not understand a word of English." (Annals of Congress 4:1228-29) The House finally approved publication of current and future federal statutes in English only. The bill was agreed to by the Senate and signed by President Washington the following month.


http://www.watzmann.net/scg/german-by-one-vote.html

Danceswithgoats,

While it's true that the majority of the large US military bases are comparatively far from Berlin (most of them are in the provinces of Baden-Wurttemberg, Rheinland-Pfalz and Bavaria - the South and SW of Germany), there are US military staff in Berlin as well as a very large number of US expats residing in Berlin (and US expats can and do vote, along with US soldiers).

I was going to dash off a snarky little line or two to point out that Our John spent the 4th of July this year...in Mexico.

But Mr Biscuit--your rather plaintive comment is worth a reply. Here---

There are unhappily many many Americans who treasure their ignorance and stupidity because they mistake it for something worthwhile and important to Our Way Of Life. They make a great noise on AM radio and somewhat less but still irritating on FalseNews. They spill over to the internet. They have found a home in the Republican Party. Alas.

They are a small and shrinking minority. Right thinking Americans of the Right and Left despise them.

Most Americans are happy that immigrants come to our country and we love Thai and Indian food, colorful celebrations on the Day of the Dead. Our high tech industries would never exist if the nativists had their way and we love our technology.

When I was born, Americans came in only two flavors: Chocolate and Vanilla. Upon meeting someone, by glancing at his complexion and clothing and hearing him speak you could know everything about him: Where he went to church, what he had for dinner, what schools he and his family attended.

With immigration, Americans come in every flavor in the world. My country is a better and more interesting place because immigrants have made it so.

Thank you, all immigrants, for making my country better by moving here. Thank you very much.

Even IF we set aside the language aspect, I still don't get the kerfuffle.

In my experience, the rightwing loves to remind us that the President is (among other things) the "Leader Of The Free World".

Now, that phrase either means something... or it doesn't.

And last time I checked, Germany was within the "free world".

Sure, Germans don't get to VOTE for the LOTFW. But for those of us here in America who DO get that honor, I think this rally and any others like it (by ANY candidate) have relevant bearings on how I cast my vote for the next LOTFW.

What kind of leader of the free world is any candidate likely to be? Well, this strikes me as one pretty good way to find out.

It's certainly more relevant than, say, bowling scores.

Even IF we set aside the language aspect, I still don't get the kerfuffle.

In my experience, the rightwing loves to remind us that the President is (among other things) the "Leader Of The Free World".

Now, that phrase either means something... or it doesn't.

And last time I checked, Germany was within the "free world".

Sure, Germans don't get to VOTE for the LOTFW. But for those of us here in America who DO get that honor, I think this rally and any others like it (by ANY candidate) have relevant bearings on how I cast my vote for the next LOTFW.

What kind of leader of the free world is any candidate likely to be? Well, this strikes me as one pretty good way to find out.

It's certainly more relevant than, say, bowling scores.

Thanks for the ethnic smear, SLC! We can always rely on you. Not everyone in Berlin is German, however...

300 million people have been asked to believe that bowling scores are indicative of the strength of a candidate's claim to the presidency , while learning second languages is somehow un-American. I don't see how that doesn't show that America is not somehow less a country of immigrants than one that is in serious - maybe permanent - decline. Sure, people here hate the nativists, and America has recovered from crazy bouts of nativism before. These things ebb and flow. And your average, midly educated white dude is probably less an arbiter of what is or is not American than ever before. But so many loud people in power in media and politics believe they are it almost doesn't really matter what's true or right. I sympathize with everyone here, since most of you seem sane. But you still remind me of your average, everday Sunni bureaucrat in Iraq just before the invasion. To quote Jake the Snake Roberts, Bush may not the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning. Unless, perhaps, Barack Obama turns out to be a cultural revolutionary on a par with, say, Gandhi or Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

Check out this campaign button from the 1985 election... for sale on Ebay. I wonder if the outraged posters on Patrick's site found this as offensive:

http://cgi.ebay.com/German-Pin-DAS-BESTE-Inagural-Badge-REAGAN-BUSH-BUTTON_W0QQitemZ230237186893QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

"Hmmm...anyone got any video or audio from St Ronnie's foreign adventure?"

Yeah, I have a copy of the famous "Ich bin ein Bitburger" speech around somewhere. Unfortunately, I'm a little constrained to produce it right now.

jimmybiscuit, yes, there are a lot of dumb, anti-intellectual people in the USA. However, there are 300 million people here. I assure you that the number of intellectually minded cosmopolitan people with good judgment exceeds the entire population of most countries.

It's been rough over the last 28 of the past 40 years have witnessed the executive branch staffed by thousands of political appointees who represent the worst that America has to offer, but that's going to change.

Tyro - Though I hope you're right, Bush talked about change, and I don't see why you are less blinded by partisanship. To the extent that Americans actually care what the rest of the world thinks, I speak here as a foreigner who has lived in America, next door to America and on the other side of the world. America may very well still inspire some hope in people who want American visas. But you don't inspire much confidence. You lost the war in Vietnam. You lost the war in Iraq. You lost the war in Afghanistan. This is not simple anti-Americanism. My main interests are here. My home is on this side of the world. But your competence is in question. A new Gore-style energy/foreign policy? So far, just talk, and to be blunt, I think America might fuck that one up, too.

You almost got me on this one Matt, but you're totally misreading Ruffini's post. He does not imply, as you do, that he thinks the flyers should be printed in English, or that he's outraged that they are in German for an event in Germany.

His objection is that the flyers are part of what amounts to a paid campaign event on foriegn soil, complete with crowd building. Mentioning that they are in German is his way of noting that they are targeting Germans with crowd building campaign materials.

I've always found Ruffini to be a bit of an ass, but in this case, I think you owe him a bit of an apology.

He does not imply, as you do, that he thinks the flyers should be printed in English, or that he's outraged that they are in German for an event in Germany.

How can you say that, Bad, when Ruffini explicitly draws a parallel with Obama's domestic use of a foreign language? Not to mention the post title and the clear meaning of the words he uses . . .

Obama Campaign Prints German-language Flyers for Berlin Rally

[. . .]

I'm surprised at this lapse in judgment in an otherwise well-oiled and professional Obama campaign. The last time they printed up campaign paraphenalia in a foreign language, it didn't work out so hot for them.

Bad, what are you talking about? Half of Ruffini's piece is exclusively about the fact that the flyers are in German, and the title is about the language issue. He even makes a snarky comment about campaign materials in foreign languages.

jimmybisuit,

We didn't lose Vietnam! It was a tie.

( another Otto, who wasn't German, but liked Nietzsche).

You killed 2,000,000 people and didn't win. You lost.

You killed 2,000,000 people and didn't win. You lost.

You killed 2,000,000 people and didn't win. You lost.

jimmybiscuit: It was a line from the movie "A Fish Called Wanda."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095159/quotes

And if you count all Indochina, civilian deaths may number from 3 - 5 million.

You killed 2,000,000 people and didn't win. You lost.

I know.

...Bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Iran.

Re otto

Hey, don't mind me. As my Syrian friend Ammar Kanaan says, Dr. SLC is prejudiced against everybody.

First, Obama's using the German language in Germany, next thing you know he'll be giving speeches to deaf children in sign language.

"How can you say that, Bad, when Ruffini explicitly draws a parallel with Obama's domestic use of a foreign language?"

Because I read his post and understood his argument, rather than picking out some amphibolous parts, and interpreting it in the way that was funniest, but which doesn't make much sense in context.

His whole point is that Obama is spending campaign money seeking to appeal to foreigners. I don't agree with his point, but pretending that he actually thinks that Obama should have printed the materials in German is a ridiculous fiction. It's the fact that Obama is lobbying Germans (which, yes, involves using German) to be part of a campaign event in the first place that he's objecting to. Not the fact that once he decided to do so, he printed them in the local language.

Sorry, that should read "pretending that he actually thinks that Obama should have printed the materials in English is a ridiculous fiction."

Well, thanks for clarifying your strawman, but how about you respond to my point?

If Ruffini isn't making the use of a foreign language central to his critique, then how is linking to Obama's use of the vero possumus seal at an event Chicago in any way relevant?