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Five Years Later

11 Sep 2006 12:08 am

WTC.jpgAn anniversary post is, under the circumstances, unavoidable. But what to say? Maybe something on a personal note. From the time when I was about five years old onwards, my family lived on 12th Street with south-facing windows. Our apartment was really quite a bit north of the World Trade Center, but due to the lack of intervening tall buildings we had a very clear view of the Towers and they would totally dominate the view. Dominate it, that is, on clear days. Like distant mountains, our view of them was pretty highly sensitive to the weather. Haziness or fog would obscure them somewhat. On the heavier days, they would entirely fade out of view and the sky would look strangely blank.

By the time the towers fell, I was in college and wasn't living full-time in that apartment anymore. As a result, I've never quite gotten used to the new view. What's more, there isn't much of anything that was tall enough or close enough to be revealed by the towers' absence. It's just a blank sky. To me, it looks as if the city's descended into a perpetual fog.

The Towers were one of those New York landmarks that I barely ever actually visited in practice. I went there once, I think, in high school when I had a French exchange student living with me. And I was in the vicinity a couple of times to go to Century 21. But I think I've been to the Ground Zero site more times than I was ever inside the building whose absence it marks. Giant skyscrapers simply have a way of dominating the experience of people who live in vaguely in the vicinity even if you never really go there. Which, I suppose, is the point. And that's really the extent of my practical connection to the events of 9/11. Nobody I really knew died there, though of course like all New Yorkers I had various connections of some kind of another to some of the victims. Still, in an odd way I took those murders personally and when I think back to it I still do.

There's a cold, analytic point-of-view that one really ought to try and take up when thinking about policy. Realistically, though, back in those early post-attack months, I was just angry, I suppose most people were. I can't really get in touch with that authentic anger anymore -- too much time has passed, too much has happened in the world, and too much had changed in my life -- but I still remember it. For all that anger, though, I recall that I also took it for granted that "we" -- the country, the government, the military, the CIA -- at a minimum were going to manage to get the bastards who did that. It hasn't, of course, worked out like that. We got some folks, but the ringleaders got away. We toppled the Taliban, but didn't really finish them off. And I remember self-righteously assuring the far-left types on campus who opposed the Afghan War that of course the USA would be fully committed to reconstructing Afghanistan -- it was a case where our moral obligations aligned almost perfectly with our narrowest interests in safety.

It seems like these anniversaries should be apolitical. Like there ought to be some neutral zone from which to critique the administration's crass politicization of American pain and American memory. But it's not, I think, realistic. National myths, national anniversaries, national memory of big events is always political. It only starts to look apolitical if one side or another decisively wins the battle for interpretation.

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AS a believer in the possibility of morally justifiable wars (being Jewish, WWII certainly exemplifies the category), I used to argue with colleagues, mostly European, that the Afghanistan war was justified, and still think it was at first. It still shocks and horrifies me that the war as it was fought is in no way such a clear cut case, and really seems to fail the standard. The sheer ineptitude to let the terrorists escape, the Taliban rebuild, and the entire country to slip back into a lawless set of poppy-growing fiefdoms, it boggles the mind. We easily could have fought , and needed to fight, this war better, as a practical and moral responsibility, but the president used it as a steping stone for the war he really wanted, regardless of our complete and total lack of any planning for it whatsoever.

The memories of the event have been political since both sides, primarily the republicans in charge, started using them to score points. I doubt this is a new thing, people are very good at using emotional hooks to try and manipulate their fellows, and the biggest events make for the most effective hooks.

Interesting. In 1969 I lived on West 10th for a while. I had a pretty good job, for a 19-year old- it paid $100/week ($74 takehome) and I spent 2-3 days a week riding the subway, seeing the city, and smoking my hashpipe at improbably public locations. Life was good.

Since then, the NYC I knew has been almost completely destroyed- by Americans. Sure, the lions are still there, but who can afford to ride the shuttle? Maybe the ferry is still a nickle, and the curved platforms at the Battery (on the subway) are a worldwide oddity, a bargain to see at any price.

As for the Towers, never saw them, don't care. Not an icon to me. They weren't the only things we've lost over the past 30 years. And they won't be the last.

The Towers were one of those New York landmarks that I barely ever actually visited in practice.

Like many New Yorkers.

I grew up a half-hour away in the Jersey suburbs. I lived in NYC for 5 years before 9/11 (although never with a view). I can remember going to the bar at Windows on the World once. And I had a couple of meetings at the offices of a law firm formerly located there. But I'd spent much more time a few blocks north in TriBeCa than at the WTC itself. But I never found that to be a factor in how I felt. It's my city, my country that was attacked, and I knew people that were there - so it's been personal for me even though I hadn't spent much time in the actual buildings.

My emotions were never anger; always sadness. And I still feel it, almost every day - I tried to read the NYTimes' Portraits this morning and just couldn't.

I was living on 22nd Street at the time. I couldn't believe what I was seeing on TV, so I ran down 6th Avenue until I had a clear view of the towers. I stopped around 12th street, in fact, right outside of St. Vincent's. I remember the view-- it's one of those things you never forget. The Hospital staff were standing outside watching the towers burn just like the rest of us, with dozens of gurneys made up with clean white sheets waiting for the thousands of injured patients that would soon be arriving. Those white sheets were what convinced me to turn back-- I couldn't bear the thought of seeing the burned and bloody people being lifted onto those sheets. None of us even considered at the time that most of those patients wouldn't be making it.

I've been running this through my head, trying to recapture what I felt during those days. It's hard to get a hold of it. Mostly I remember being angry, sad, scared and deeply depressed. Every talking head on TV told us that this was a new type of war, that there was nothing our military could do to avenge this and make sure it never happened again. That was a very helpless feeling, for all of us I think. Remembering that feeling, I can understand why so many people _needed_ to see us taking military action against somebody, even if it wasn't the right somebody. The war in Afghanistan was familiar. We had an enemy (the Taliban) who stood and fought us, and never mind that the real enemy snuck away through the hills. And then there was Iraq. At some point during the first operation I think I came back to my senses. Unfortunately, I think most Americans still haven't... And I feel for them.

The sheer ineptitude to let the terrorists escape, the Taliban rebuild, and the entire country to slip back into a lawless set of poppy-growing fiefdoms, it boggles the mind.

When you realise that the strategy was high-altitude bombing and huge payoffs to those poppy-growing fief-masters, it boggles less.

One legacy: the number of random Afghans carted off to Guantanamo (or left to die in Bagram) after being turned in by local crooks who fancied a CIA-budget bounty.

The Case for Capturing Osama bin Laden

Excerpt:

Suppose for the sake of argument Hezbollah/Iran/etc. today presents a clearer and more present danger to America than Osama and al Qu'aida. What would be a more forceful physical example to Hebollah's/Iran's/etc's leaders of America's resolve and determination to track down and bring to justice terorrists threatening America than the capture or killing of Osama bin Laden? Turn that on its head. What would be a more forceful physical example to Hebollah's leaders of America's lack of resolve and determination to track down and bring to justice terorrists threatening America than to fail to track down and bring to justice Osama bin Laden?

I remember self-righteously assuring the far-left types on campus who opposed the Afghan War that of course the USA would be fully committed to reconstructing Afghanistan.

Your rehabilitation is almost complete... EXCEPT you continue to marginalize the people who were correct about what was going to happen as "far-left". What the hell is that supposed to mean? You need to cut that shit out.

Why do you continue to confuse "thoughtfulness" and "moderation" with center-right framings?

What I remember is feeling scared, not scared of terrorists, but about the future. I felt in my guts that bad things were coming down the pike.

I'm a hispanic man with brown skin, I could easily be taken for an arab. A couple of days after 9/11 I was driving home from work in the DC suburbs, there were flags on display everywhere. I stopped at a light and some middle-aged white guy pulled up next to me, BMW, shirt and tie. He started honking his horn, I lowered my window, and then he started yelling at me, I couldn't make it out at first but then he asked "where are you from?", I said "I'm American", he says "where's your towel you fucking raghead". I rolled up my window and took off, he starts tail-gaiting me, flashing his high-beams. So I called the cops, they say that they've been getting a ton reports like that and that there's nothing they can do about it.

Along with the uber-patriotism that broke out after 9/11, or maybe because of it, there was also this ugly anger. Whether justified or not, us Americans have an over-inflated sense of invincible superiority, and that sense was badly wounded in 9/11, people were ready to lash out. That's what I was scared of. It didn't feel like anything good could come out of it, and I was right, this is the anger that Bush so disgustingly took advantage of, and still does, for his nefarious political purposes.

A few months after the attacks it occurred to me that a strange sort of phenomenon was playing out in New York - the more ethnically suspicious your place of business might be, the more flags and 9/11 memorabilia you had to display in order to reassure visitors. For example, if you sold little Statue of Liberty replicas, no problem, a simple "God Bless America" flag will do. On the other hand, if you were the proprietor of the "Kabul Deli," then you pretty much had to plaster your front window with little American flags to make sure everyone knew you were on the right side. Funny world.

I am not far-left, but I had some very strong doubts going into Afghanistan. I remember, specifically, voicing concern about the U.S., much less Bush, invading a sovereign nation, taking it over, and rebuilding the entire thing. My housemate at the time stared at me in shock and said, "They attacked us!" I asked him if he thought we really would rebuild that nation, especially with someone like Bush in power, who had sworn off nation-building. I also mentioned that we could just send in special forces to go after Osama bin Laden. We didn't have to bomb an entire country or start a full-scale war. My housemate stared at me in shock and said something to the effect that of course we'd rebuild. D'uh!

Five years ago today.

On the morning of September 11, I was running a bit late to work and was riding the IRT No. 1 subway, planning, as usual, to get out at the World Trade Center station and walk diagonally across the open space to my office on Broadway. Shortly before hitting the 14th Street station, the train came to a halt with no explanation. I thought nothing of it at the time, because the previous day I had been stuck in the same spot for an hour. Two hours later, with no explanation, we are all dumped out. The crowd in Union Square was unusually large for, by now, 11:00 a.m. on a weekday, but I headed toward Broadway to walk the rest of the way to work. I heard snatches of conversation that made no sense and saw a lot of people at phone booths. Turning down Broadway, I saw smoke and heard a parking garage attendant mutter to no one in particular "They're gone." Obviously, something was up, so I found a bar with a TV. Eventually, after a stiff drink, I realized I wasn't getting to work and prepared to march to the Bronx. Fortunately, the A Train was running somewhere in the 30's and I managed to get to upper Manhattan before resuming the march over the bridge and home, where my answering machine was full of hysterical calls. I assured people I was all right and plunked down in front of the TV with my dog until my wife came home.

One more note: Going into Afghanistan was never going to be a cakewalk. Everyone seems to have forgotten the lesson of the Soviets in the 80's. The people, the warlords, the terrain, drugs, the distance, the chaos... all indications pointed to another quagmire. The decision might have still been the correct one, but somehow imagining that we'd go in there, kick butt, then suddenly everyone would agree to cooperate with each other and the U.S. in a new democracy was a pipe dream from the start. People who think otherwise are fooling themselves.

I disagree with Bribes's assessment of Afghanistan's inevitable bog-down-osity.

We were, in fact, kicking the anticipated butt. Our military was proceeding professionally, killing and/or capturing the bulk of al Qaida at a good clip. Pulling back on our committment there was a horrible mistake.

Watched the towers burn and the first tower fall from the plaza in front of Silver Towers at Bleecker and LaGuardia. Watched the second tower fall from the window of an office on 12th St.

I never felt rage. I felt very sad and very scared about the future. The American flags that instantly everywhere were troubling, not inspiring. They foretold the jingoism that has fed the military adventures that ensued. The flags meant going to war, which was the wrong thing to do.

Does anyone else remember that the Taliban offered to give bin Laden up if he were to be tried by an Islamic court? What might that have been like? Is it even conceivable that an international tribunal might have been constituted, that there might have been terms under which bin Laden might have been handed over? Do we know what negotiations were held? Can we imagine this administration being in any way willing to use diplomacy? While I have nothing good to say about the Taliban government, the fact is that we weren't attacked by them, and that they had no interest in attacking us, only in creating their crazed, medieval society. Like any government, they were interested in surviving. Did we make effective use of carrots (some Islamic component to an international tribunal) and sticks (Taliban self-interest) to get the Afghans to turn bin Laden over? Knowing the Bush/Cheney administrations eagerness for wars of all kinds, I'll guess no.

The US has fulfilled bin Laden's dreams ten-fold since 9/11.

Pulling back on our committment there was a horrible mistake.

Of course, it is completely false that we have "pull[ed] back on our committment". The fact is that when we were "kicking the anticipated butt" we only had 3,000 - 5,000 troops in Afghanistan. We currently have more than 3 times that many troops there. So, in fact, our committment to Afghanistan tripled, and did not decrease.

Moreover, the complaint from our troops in Afghanistan isn't that there is too much to do, but rather that they have nothing to do. The Taliban are located across the border in Pakistan. If you want to get them, you need to invade Pakistan. Something I haven't seen many people advocating. Do you?

We learned a lot that day. We've learned even more since then. We must all remember that day.

But more importantly, we must remember what's happened since. Do not allow remembrance to become amnesia.

Well, the life lost is tragic, of course, but can't we keep in mind what's really important here - the architecture?

I really loved the towers. Absolutely beautiful buildings. Most perfectly proportioned steel and glass skyscrapers ever built. Beautiful (if windswept) plaza. Amazing views from all angles. Awe inspiring up close. A great landmark when approaching the city by car from any direction. A surreal landmark when approaching the city by boat. A welcome reckoning point of South when emerging disoriented from some party or bar half drunk.

The new WTC plans have none of the old buildings' grace.

The Japanese have a tradition of identically replicating destroyed buildings. You go to a temple in Japan, and you read that it was built in 1233, burnt down in 1405 and 1722, but rebuilt absolutely identically in the same place each time. I've never understood why folks in the West don't pick up on the concept.

Why weren't the towers rebuilt identically? For that matter, I've never understood why the Greeks don't rebuilt the Acropolis rather than letting the ruins stand.

As usual, Al's comments cleverly miss the point, in the manner of someone who is more interested in manuevering a debate than getting at the truth of the matter. One must compare our committment in Afghanistan, past and current, to the level of committment that would have been available had we not embarked on the obviously misguided invasion of Iraq (which even Al can no longer defend).

With that said, although I believed and continue to believe that our invasion of Afghanistan was defensible both morally and practically, it was always going to be a very tough haul to actually occupy and rebuild the country. There is an argument that we just should have gone in as an extended police/punitive action focused on getting the 9/11 perpetrators, and then left. That would have been justified. Bush of course did not even really do that, so he both did too little and too much.

The offer by the Taliban of an Islamic court that is discussed above is also really interesting, although I don't remember hearing about it at the time. If practical, having Bin Laden convicted by an Islamic court would have been an absolute propaganda coup -- simultaneously punishing him and delegitimizing him in the Muslim world. I don't know if it would have been practical though. What if he were released?

I can't help compare the 5 year anniversary of 9/11 with the 5 year anniversary of Pearl Harbor. In Dec of '46 Hitler was dead and Japan was conquered. America was rejoicing and moving on to the business of booming economies and making babies. In Sept of '06 bin Laden is loose and Iraq is out of control. America today is scary and depressing.

Al's comment, though disingenuous about the "pulling back" issue, serves to emphasize the trouble Afghanistan would have presented if the U.S. truly did go in and try to rebuild and democratize that nation.

What is happening now, with Taliban running across the border, would have happened if the U.S. had fully committed to the nation instead of using proxy forces. The war would have been a Vietnam / China / Cambodia situation all over again, or an Iraq / Iran / Syria situation. U.S. forces score quick victories in all major engagements at the beginning of the war, victory is declared, and then the real war sets in.

Though there were substantial risks, I believe it was possible to win such a war. I have learned, though, that such a victory is not possible with this administration or, more generally, with Republicans in power.

Anniversary posts ARE avoidable and a hat tip to all who resist them. Today's observances have been a goop of treacle, hare-brained analysis and thinly disguised political posturing. I salute the victims and heros in silence.

"I salute the victims and heros in silence."

You have a deeply odd notion of silence.

in an odd way I took those murders personally and when I think back to it I still do.

There's nothing odd about it.

I was living in San Jose CA and in the shower when my wife told me to come out and see the TV. The towers had just fallen.

My brother in law had just quit his job in WTC7 a few months prior.

My wife's first comment when we realized what had happened was "I wish Bill Clinton were still in office."

Petey:

The Japanese have a tradition of identically replicating destroyed buildings

Oh, is that why Tokyo has that combo Las Vegas/Times Square thing going on? Just askin, cause I don't know much about what extent ancient Japanese sites look like, replicants or not.

More seriously, we're not Japan. And probably the single most important defining characteristic of Manhattan architecture is: CHANGE. Not afraid of change. Always something new being built, "new, bigger, better," even if it's really not. Always construction going on. Leave for a month trip, come back, and there's a new facade on the corner. No need for a disaster, like Mrs. O'Leary's cow, to force it to happen. It just does, because, it's Manhattan. It's about movement, change, no icons for long. Historic preservationists have a real tough time, people like Robert Moses turn up and steam roll over them. The only thing sacred truly sacred is Vaux and Olmstead's Central Park, and temporary desecration is also allowed there, ala Christo.

I am surprised by your opinions. First, I presume you know your admiration of the architecture of the towers is quite rare among the cognescenti in the field. They were phallic kitsch, they said 60's. For that reason, I liked them, as an icon and landmark, as that I liked them very much. But architectural beauty, even kitschy beauty, no. For the latter, a true joe-schmo-tourist pleasing view, there was nothing like the palm trees in the WFC windows lit up at night seen from the Circle Line or some other boat. The towers gave no Manhattan "pizazz" except as viewed from Jersey. They were lifeless without great distance or as on a skyline photo. And I mean truly lifeless, not relate-able to human life.

I personally disagree very much about the plaza. You say windswept, I say somewhere between "pave paradise & put up a parking lot" and a old west ghost town complete with tumbleweed. It was like there was no need for the Richard Serra controversy over "Titled Arc" in Federal Plaza, the effect was already created at the WTC plaza.

Oh, and as far as "function" goes, navigating to an office there if you were not a regular took longer than driving to Jersey (partly cause of that damn plaza.) And the lower level shopping mall was a humid tomb-like horror, like art farm without a view--any suburban shopping mall has both more delightful American kitsch culture and is more humane.

I do believe that had 9/11 not happened, it would be a continual struggle to fill those spaces, both for function and fashion purposes. The newer buildings surrounding were so much more humane and human-user-friendly.

As to recreating the iconic message they had, if one had the wont to to that to send a message to Osama et. al., the only real way to do that would not be to replicate them as was but, as many Joe Six-Pack's recommended at the time: build two more but make them the new tallest in the world. Those who recommended that understood what the original building of the towers was all about: an all-American engineering feat, not yur fancy-schmancy artsy architect stuff.

All that said, the "hole" is now an incredibly depressing symbol of a horrible forced loss. No architecture professor or critic can ever dis the towers again without all kinds of qualifications. And the most recent renderings for the site in the paper a day or two ago made me ill as to aesthetics. But that's ok, becauseL it's Manhattan, not Paris or Tokyo. I am sure we will end up with something funky and reflective of the times, just like the towers were.

Plus, if we were like Japan, the Japanese tourists wouldn't come here.

Plus, on the Greece thingie, what is it you dislike about ruins? Ruins show change, the march of time. You see, you argue against change, for replication, cloning, ala disneyfication, Prince Charles et. al., you like fake oldness, you really like newness that doesn't look new? What you are arguing for might be Japanese, but I see it as somewhat anti-American, very conservative, very anti-change, & certainly anti-Manhattan. Even Paris is not so conservative.

Nice post.

I live in North Carolina, haven't even visited New York in almost twenty years, yet I was struck on 9/11 on how almost everyone I knew, even in NC, had a friend or relative living or working in lower Manhattan they were afraid for (for me it was a cousin who works on Wall Street).

I didn't give NYC a whole lot of thought for many years there, and when I did it was often the slightly resentful response we have in "flyover country" when we hear how great or special the coastal metropolii are. But in addition to grieving the loss of life, I was really affected by the assault on New York's skyline and moved by New Yorkers' coming together in grief and mutual support. My view of the city has changed quite a bit. It really is our cultural capital, and its skyscrapers the truest symbols of American ambition and enterprise. I've just recently gotten past the stage when images of the World Trade Center on movies or TV re-runs make me tear up.

I was never angry, though, just sad. And even on the evening of the attacks I was already dreading how the Administration might respond. I wanted to "get the bastards" but in a way that was consonant with international law and a sense of proportionality, and I feared a vengeful overreaction.

artappraiser,

I responded, but the system held up my comment for moderation, perhaps due to length.

Check back.

Troop levels are troop levels.
Committment is committment.

The two are no synonyms.

Bush blew it. He had other priorities.

OK. Here goes in two parts:

"First, I presume you know your admiration of the architecture of the towers is quite rare among the cognescenti in the field."

Yup. While the towers were still standing, I used to get into heated discussions with friends over their aesthetic merits. I rarely found folks in agreement.

But the towers were basically just out of fashion, which is a very different issue than aesthetic merit. As you mentioned, they were very much a late 60's fashion. If someone had been starting from scratch in 1995, very different designs would have been proposed. Architectural comfort food is in fashion these days, and while there's nothing wrong with that genre, there's plenty in currently unfashionable genres to admire too. Fashion comes and goes.

"They were lifeless without great distance or as on a skyline photo. And I mean truly lifeless, not relate-able to human life."

Of course, it was their very remoteness from human scale that gave them their power.

If I had to describe them to someone who'd never seen them, and if I weren't allowed to show a picture, I'd start off by showing them Kubrik's 2001, and tell them the towers were just like the monolith.

And it's not just about distance. You could walk from 42nd st right up to the base of the towers, staring at them the whole time, and they would never seem real or human for one second. They were perfect geometric solids in wonderful symmetry.

As far as kitsch goes, the AT&T building is kitsch. The WTC towers were far too minimal and austere for that.

"I personally disagree very much about the plaza ... a old west ghost town complete with tumbleweed."

And you think putting an old west ghost town complete with tumbleweed in the middle of Manhattan is a bad thing? Hell, that's an amazing thing.

Who needs Richard Serra when you can do it with the artifice invisible?

"Oh, and as far as "function" goes, navigating to an office there if you were not a regular took longer than driving to Jersey"

I don't know about function. I never worked there, and like all high modernism, there was something seemingly unappealing about working there. But anecdotally, folks who did work there seemed to have some basic affection for the place.

"I do believe that had 9/11 not happened, it would be a continual struggle to fill those spaces"

In terms of pure economics, I think you're wrong here. The towers were approaching full capacity from the 90's on, and absent 9/11, I don't see why that would have dramatically changed.

"As to recreating the iconic message they had, if one had the wont to to that to send a message to Osama et. al., the only real way to do that would not be to replicate them as was but, as many Joe Six-Pack's recommended at the time: build two more but make them the new tallest in the world."

Well, more on this to come, but I would have wanted to rebuild them identically.

There was no need to one-up Osama, just a need to say that Osama doesn't get to determine our urban planning.

And tangentially, at 9/11, I had a Joe Six-Pack in my circle of acquaintances, and he was an incredibly boring fellow, separate of his typology. But the day after 9/11, he came up with by far the best line I heard at the time. His idea for how to respond to 9/11 was to load up B52's with a million unbreakable giant Buddhas to drop on the Taliban in revenge for the Bamiyan Buddhas.

"Plus, on the Greece thingie, what is it you dislike about ruins? Ruins show change, the march of time. You see, you argue against change, for replication, cloning, ala disneyfication"

OK. It's not that I dislike ruins. It's definitely not that I'm in favor of disneyfication.

Check out the holiest Shinto shrine in Japan, the Grand Shrine of Ise.

Whereas most temples in Japan get identically rebuilt when they burn down or get knocked down by earthquakes, Ise is a bit different. It gets intentionally knocked down and identically rebuilt every 20 years like clockwork. The rebuilding is exactingly done with identical materials and methods.

That's how I'd redo the Acropolis. I'd research the exact materials used, from the exact region the stone was quarried, with the exact building methods used, and try to perfectly re-create it. That's not disneyfication or LasVegasification. That's making something new again. It's not the provenance of the stone in the Acropolis that makes it authentic, it's the abstract plan, and the ideas it embodies.

The Acropolis represents the flowering of democracy and independent thinking. Why not renew it for the world? If the US Capitol had been destroyed, as planned, on 9/11, wouldn't we have wanted to make it whole again, as it had been?

"What you are arguing for might be Japanese, but I see it as somewhat anti-American, very conservative, very anti-change, & certainly anti-Manhattan."

Again, I'm perfectly down with the concept of Manhattan change, although I'd object if someone wanted to tear down the Chrysler building, (which is architecturally very different than the WTC towers, of course.) But that type of urban planning should be done by locals, not by a bunch of psychotic freaks with holy books from out of town.

Turned out to be three parts to get the system to accept it.

And you left Typepad for what reason, Matthew?

I still walk down University every day and often remember the same thing...The mornings it was so foggy you couldn't see the towers at all. Who woulda thunk?

"First, I presume you know your admiration of the architecture of the towers is quite rare among the cognescenti in the field."

And while I'm on the topic, I think one of the reasons for dislike for the towers has to do with the understandable backlash at the time of their construction to Robert Moses-ism.

Moses was so extreme that it's not surprising that the backlash was also extreme. Think about the insanity of the widespread opposition to Westway - what seems like an immensely sensible project today.

The towers seemed enough like a Moses project on the ideological scale (with Jane Jacobs at the other end of the scale from Moses) that it blinded folks to their aesthetic merits. And once that negative reputation was cast, it remained.

Here's a nice view...

Petey, I saw & enjoyed all your responses/elaborations. Especially liked hearing about the "nuke em with Buddhas" plan. You are right to point out the incongruity in my argument that Osama forcing urban planning is no different than Mrs. O'Leary's cow doing the same. Still, I have every hope reading between the lines that you will eventually "let go" of your grief about the towers and see the same as many of the rest of us: like the tenements of Chicago, the towers had grown quite tiresome before 9/11. :-) It's going to be ok, really it is, they will fill the hole with something people can argue about again for decades.

Too bad the thread has scrolled away, I did so look forward to an anti-Romantic argument about ruins. :-)

p.s. Afterthought on submission of comment: c'mon, lookit the picture Yglesias used on his post. There are many like that--they were plug ugly additions to the skyline from many visual aspects. It's actually a 60's office park aesthetic, with a vista necessary for the full effect, crammed into the wrong, too small space. They did not improve the New York skyline, they became it, overcame it, because of the "fuck the rest of you buildings" phallic iconography. Maybe they'll end up doing that again, maybe they won't. In my mind, either result will be good, because that's the way New York IS, that IS it's architectural culture, it's always a little haphazard, incongruous, zany, nonsensical, crazy pizazz, changing, that IS it's beauty, it's mystique. It's not like Paris or D.C. and should never be. Look forward is what it's about.

A friend called from his work. Told me a plane hit the WTC. He said it was no accident, he recalled OBL's warnings about Israel/Palestine.
Then again, he was a small businessman with two kids to raise, recently divorced, who kept up with world events reading papers during his spare change time. His hair was on fire when he called me.

The second plane hit shortly after, I was watching the classroom act. We went to the store next door, a Radio Shack(since closed, thanks Bush economy) and made it into a giant situation room and had every network rolling. Someone aboard a flight in Pennsylvania said "it's okay, there's a jet fighter outside the tail I can see it from windo-"
"We've lost contact with the phone and will call back..."

Guess which flight that was? Anyways we had already talked about the Bush connections with Mid East groups especially vested Kuwaiti and Saud ranks.(Marvin Bush, Don Rumsfeld and James Baker/Marge Tutwiler). The narrative unfolded as I mentioned their money ties. We discussed FAA policy as well, in a town of former air force/SAC types.

We simply bombed the wrong arabs if you really want to claim war was the answer. I don't think it is, but then again bulldozing homes or spying on your own citizens or supporting illegal prisons and torture isn't either.

Law enforcement does work in the war on terror, according to Cheney. I guess that covers the Osama Been forgotten line. Then again Michael Sheldon Cheney was the first ever director of PR for ARAMCO. You know if we prosecuted this act they would sue a butt load of Saudis. Silly me, I forgot James Baker is the representative for the royal family in that trial.

Osama been forgotten...

*does NOT work, according to Cheney...

Wounded to get millions in compensation
By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent, Sunday TelegraphLast Updated: 3:11pm GMT 10/12/2006

Hundreds of troops wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan are to be awarded millions of pounds in compensation following a ruling by the Government that they are victims of crime not war.
British troops wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan will be paid compensation on a sliding scale of about £1,000 for a small facial scar, up to a maximum of £500,000 for the loss of a limb

Forty injured servicemen are to receive payments of up to £500,000 each in a series of test cases. This is expected to lead to claims from hundreds more of the estimated 1,000 troops injured in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001.

Payments will be made on a "sliding scale" of about £1,000, for a small facial scar, up to a maximum of £500,000, for the loss of a limb. The ruling was agreed, it is understood, after Government lawyers raised fears that the Ministry of Defence (MoD) could be subject to a legal challenge by troops claiming they were victims of crime because they were wounded in Iraq after the end of "at war" hostilities in May 2003.

All those injured fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, but who have decided to remain in the Army, could be entitled to lodge claims with the newly revised Armed Forces' Criminal Injury Compensation (overseas) scheme.

This is similar to that run by the Home Office, which makes payments to the victims of crimes such as muggings, rape, burglary and robbery. Troops will be informed officially of the new policy in the next few weeks and the first payments will be made in early spring.
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Until now, the MOD has paid "criminal" compensation only for incidents where troops were injured in "civilian situations" such as a fight in a nightclub while off-duty.

Those injured in Northern Ireland during the Troubles were also eligible for such compensation because it was deemed that the terrorists attacking them were criminals and not enemy combatants in a conventional war.

The new ruling and expansion of compensation to the Iraq and Afghan conflicts means insurgents or terrorists launching surprise attacks and sabotage missions are also regarded as criminals and not enemy troops. It is thought the only circumstances where troops injured in Iraq and Afghanistan would not be eligible for criminal compensation is when they were involved in pre-arranged, offensive operations directly targeting insurgents.

But most casualties in Iraq have received their wounds through car bombings, sniping and rocket attacks — circumstances not dissimilar to most attacks sustained in Ulster. Defence sources say the ruling reflects the changing nature of the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. Although both theatres of conflict are described frequently as war zones, in strict legal terms British troops are not at war.

The revelation of the Government decision follows demands from MPs, military chiefs and the public, as well as a campaign by The Sunday Telegraph, for the Government to provide the Armed Forces with better pay, accommodation and medical care.

Defences sources have admitted that the awarding of compensation will be "complex and difficult", with evidence being presented to the panel by the serviceman's commanding officer.

Under the revised MoD compensation scheme, all wounded troops will be given legal advice from government lawyers as to whether their injury was as a result of a crime or of war. Those deemed to have been injured through "criminal acts" will be able to lodge compensation claims that will be assessed by a panel comprising a senior military officer, civil servants and a civilian.

The scheme will be open to troops who stay in the forces. Those who are medically discharge will receive war pensions, as is already the case.

It is understood that Major David Bradley, who was severely injured in August 2004 in an ambush in Basra, southern Iraq, is one of those about to receive compensation.

Major Bradley, who was the commander of B company, the 1st Bn the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, almost died as he took the full blast of a rocket-propelled grenade during an operation to rescue nine comrades.

An MoD spokesman said: "Ensuring that we obtain the best for our soldiers has meant that the criteria under which normal claims are submitted have had to be better defined. It is anticipated by early spring claims will be paid."

Information appearing on telegraph.co.uk

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