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11 Sep 2006 01:40 pm

Krugman is good as usual, let me add something, though, to a bit of a cliché:

The path to this strategic defeat began with the failure to capture or kill bin Laden. Never mind the anti-Clinton hit piece, produced for ABC by a friend of Rush Limbaugh; there never was a clear shot at Osama before 9/11, let alone one rejected by Clinton officials. But there was a clear shot in December 2001, when Al Qaeda’s leader was trapped in the caves of Tora Bora. He made his escape because the Pentagon refused to use American ground troops to cut him off.

No matter, declared President Bush: “I truly am not that concerned about him,” he said about bin Laden in March 2002, and more or less stopped mentioning Osama for the next four years. By the time he made his what-me-worry remarks — just six months after 9/11 — the pursuit of Al Qaeda had already been relegated to second-class status. A long report in yesterday’s Washington Post adds detail to what has long been an open secret: early in 2002, the administration began pulling key resources, such as special forces units and unmanned aircraft, off the hunt for Al Qaeda’s leaders, in preparation for the invasion of Iraq.

According to Rand Beers, the more important move is the one Krugman vaguely alludes to in the second quoted paragraph rather than the more famous stuff in the earlier paragraph. What happened is that at more-or-less the exact same time as Bush said he was "truly . . . not that concerned" about Osama bin Laden -- March 2002 -- the president put his money where his mouth was by pulling special operations forces out of Afghanistan so that the units could reconstitute in preparation for their next mission -- preparing the battlefield in Iraq.

This is important not just in a vague "maybe if they were around we would have had OBL" kind of way. These are the troops who have the sort of language ability and training to work with mid-level foreign leaders that make them well-suited to taking the lead on difficult tasks like helping to reconstruct a country devastated by a couple of foreign invasions and a lengthy civil war. Whether or not they would have been able to locate bin Laden is a bit unknowable. Doubtless, they would have been helpful for that. But what's certain is that these resources would have allowed us to make much more progress toward achieving our goals in Afghanistan. To agree with what I think Atrios is saying here, after 9/11 some form of war against the Taliban was inevitable.

But by engaging in it, we undertook a real responsibility both to ourselves and to Afghans to make sure it actually achieved our main goals and that we did something to help get the country back on its feet. If you read the recent coverage, though, the situation is quite messed up. Starting in early 2002 people more-or-less forgot all about the country in favor of Iraq. Then, briefly, attention re-focused on the situation and observers were, correctly, rather worried about it. But then came and election and -- poof! bang! -- the media declared it all a shining success and said people who'd been raising questions about what was going on over there were all debunked fools.

But, no. In an almost exact preview of what would happen after the first Iraqi elections it turned out that the question-raisers were exactly correct and the mere fact of the election solved nothing. It was good to hold an election, and it produced some great photo-ops, but the problems are much deeper than that. But even though they're deep problems, and even though there was probably nothing we could have done over the short term to make Afghanistan a fantatsically pleasant place to live, if you look at the absurd sum of resources we've poured down the drain in Iraq, it's clear that we could have done much, much better.

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Krugman writes: "Never mind the anti-Clinton hit piece, produced for ABC by a friend of Rush Limbaugh; there never was a clear shot at Osama before 9/11, let alone one rejected by Clinton officials."

Hmmm. Krugman should know, I guess. After all, in the late '90s, Krugman was... an Enron advisor. Clearly we should believe Krugman rather than, say, the guy who was actually in charge of the bin Laden Unit at the CIA, who writes that Clinton had "eight to 10 chances" to "capture or kill bin Laden".

Between Enron advisor Krugman and the CIA guy in charge of the bin Laden Unit, I know who I believe.

"even though there was probably nothing we could have done over the short term to make Afghanistan a fantatsically pleasant place to live, if you look at the absurd sum of resources we've poured down the drain in Iraq, it's clear that we could have done much, much better."

Is it, though? What exactly have we gained through all of our attention and money in Iraq? Would we have gained more had we put that money into Afghanistan? We certainly could have tried harder, of course.

Does anyone have any links to articles that make specific arguments about how different Afghanistan might be today had we not diverted resources to Iraq?

What happened is that at more-or-less the exact same time as Bush said he was "truly . . . not that concerned" about Osama bin Laden -- March 2002 -- the president put his money where his mouth was by pulling special operations forces out of Afghanistan

A question, Matthew.

What difference does it make if the SOC forces hunting bin Laden were pulled from Afghanistan in March 2002 if bin Laden wasn't in Afghanistan at that time?

I should add:
Isn't the argument that we could have made Afghanistan much better had we not diverted resources to Iraq a form of the infamous "Incompetence Dodge"? Obviously there are many differences between the two situations, and as Matt points out, 1) we were definitely going to war after 9/11 and 2) we thus had a duty to help spread democracy/human rights etc. in Afghanistan.
But, again, though it of course would have been more honorable to make a better effort in Afghanistan, would we have really been able to "fix" that country?

(I'm ignoring here the arguments about whether diverting troops to Iraq hurt our pursuit of Al Qaida. I think Matt makes a number of good, specific points to support that assertion)

Everyone should click Al's link so they can see this nutjob call the late John O'Neill one of the "principal authors of 9/11." Yes, Al, sounds like just the kind of expert I'd want to pal around with.

The difference, Al, is that the SOC forces hunting bin Laden were not redeployed to wherever else you think bin Laden might have been. Certainly you don't believe he was in Iraq.

But by engaging in it, we undertook a real responsibility both to ourselves and to Afghans to make sure it actually achieved our main goals and that we did something to help get the country back on its feet.

This is where I disagree with Matt. I feel that the Taliban's refusal to hand over bin Laden was an act of war and I don't feel that the US has a responsibility to rebuild any country that attacks or supports attacks on the US.

What difference does it make if the SOC forces hunting bin Laden were pulled from Afghanistan in March 2002 if bin Laden wasn't in Afghanistan at that time?

Yeah, they never would have been used inside Pakistan right Al?

The difference, Al, is that the SOC forces hunting bin Laden were not redeployed to wherever else you think bin Laden might have been. Certainly you don't believe he was in Iraq.

Of course. The choices were either (a) invade Pakistan or (b) not involve SOC forces in the hunt. Now, I could be persuaded that (a) was the correct option. But assuming you don't think so, then it really didn't matter if our SOC forces were in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Cleveland - they weren't getting bin Laden in any case.

Would they, Col Bat Guano? That's not what I think. But I could be wrong about that. Any evidence we've invaded Pakistan?

While rooting out bin Laden in the tribal regions of Pakistan would have been an infringement of Pakistan's sovereignty, I somehow think the likelihood of twisting Musharraf's arm until he allowed it was somewhat higher than convincing him to, say, let the Marines parade through the streets of Islamabad. That's only if we had cared enough about bin Laden to spend this sort of political capital, of course.

Exactly what did Bush get in return for allowing AQ Kahn and Pakistan's military dictator to proliferate WMDs? Exactly why did we invade Iraq?

Just Karl: Bush "allow[ed] AQ Kahn and Pakistan's military dictator to proliferate WMDs"??? I don't think so. Bush stopped the proliferation. The actual proliferation occurred mostly in the 1990s, when some other guy was President (although it started in the late 80s, when still another couple of guys were President).

Your question is, more properly, why didn't Bush push for more punishment by the Pakistani government and/or for the Pakistani government to allow the IAEA or someone else to interview Khan. I suspect the answer there is, as with most things Pakistan, so that Musharraf wouldn't be deposed and replaced by someone worse.

And, as with most things Bush, he fucks up the perfect opportunity to inject our SOC forces into Pakistan to go after bin Laden (you are incorrect in your assumption that I think we shouldn't have gone in after him), and then does in Iraq exactly what he was afraid to do in Pakistan. Fuck IAEA, Bush should have told Musharraf, "it's bin Laden or it's you and bin Laden" But Bush's policy was never about protecting the US from WMDs and real terrorist threats, Bush was going to use 9/11 to get back into Iraq. He's completely failed our country.

why was some sort of attack on the taliban inevitable after 9/11? couldn't a multi-lateral international effort to get the planners and financiers of the 9/11 attacks and put them on trial at the hague have been an option? didn't invading afghanistan without presenting any proof first kind of destroy that opportunity?

why was some sort of attack on the taliban inevitable after 9/11? couldn't a multi-lateral international effort to get the planners and financiers of the 9/11 attacks and put them on trial at the hague have been an option? didn't invading afghanistan without presenting any proof first kind of destroy that opportunity?

what has the u.s. gained from its premature invasion of afghanistan? like atrios sez, "a city government in kabul" and drugs, warlords, and resurgent taliban in the rest of the country. would you trade that for bin laden on trial at the hague?


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