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Denver's Answer

19 Dec 2006 03:58 pm

Allen Iverson will head to Denver in exchange for Andre Miller, Joe Smith (and his expiring contract), and the Nuggets' two first-round draft picks in 2007, though if I'm reading this right they're not likely to be especially high draft picks. Obviously, this deal has one kind of meaning for the duration of 'Melo's suspension, when Iverson will be something like his replacement, and another meaning when they're playing alongside each other.

Obviously, I checked, and Iverson's a somewhat more efficient shooter than Miller (though a significantly worse rebounder) so there you have it. On a slightly skeptical note, the obvious flaw in the pre-trade Denver offense was a lack of three point shooting, which Iverson doesn't really address. From the standpoint of someone who likes the Nuggets' unorthodox approach to the game, however, this would seem to make Denver more Denver than after -- fast-paced, slashing, etc. One query is whether Karl will have the stones to try an ultra-small Iverson-Boykins back court at all. I dunno. Have at it. Does this make Denver a contender?

UPDATE: I guess I forgot to remark on Philly getting so little in exchange. Presumably Denver will make the playoffs with this post-trade roster and the other pick Philly's getting is from Dallas if I understand correctly, so it's not as if the Sixers have positioned themselves to put Greg Oden, Joakim Noah, and Kevin Durant alongside Miller next year. Then again, they were sort of backed into a corner.

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I thought Smith filled the 3-point need, no? We're about to see if Iverson can pass a lot, though. I'm stunned. The Shaq trade was much, much more fair. You could probably make the argument that the second worst trade in the last five years was the Webber from Sacto trade. I want some free market libertarian to explain Billy King's (a) employment, and (b) decisions to me.

I find this entirely mind-blowing.

I thought Smith filled the 3-point need, no?

Er...yes. My bad. He's shooting .397 this season which is a lot better than I thought. Should be due for many, many open looks.

Obviously, I checked, and Iverson's a somewhat more efficient shooter than Miller (though a significantly worse rebounder) so there you have it.

Oh, good. I really wasn't sure at first whether Iverson would be an upgrade from Andre Miller, so I'm glad you checked it out.

I can't wait for Dave Berri to tell us why this is a terrible trade. For the Nuggets.

Besides the trade apparent one-sidedness, it will be interesting to see how the Iverson-Anthony duo works once Melo returns. There is only one basketball, you know.. And I fail to see how this trade improves Denver's defense, their main weakness.

I can't wait for Dave Berri to tell us why this is a terrible trade. For the Nuggets.

Miller and Iverson had similar Wins Produced numbers last year -- 8.2 for Iverson and 10.4 for Miller.

My guess is that Karl will indeed attempt to put Iverson and Boykins on the floor at the same time for insane doses of the running game (Najera, who I thought would be gone in this trade, will figure in that too). That probably won't work against teams who will be able to run it right back against the Nuggets and make them pay defensively. SCMT is right that J.R. Smith is supposed to be the 3-ball specialist, and that could be a pretty good backcourt tandem once he comes back.

I think this trade will help Denver advance past the first round, but as far as being a contender, the problem is that inside they are left with the fragile Camby, Nene, and whoever they can scrape off the waiver wire or the NBDL to be a third big man. (No, Linus Kleize can't fill that role.)

Oh, good. I really wasn't sure at first whether Iverson would be an upgrade from Andre Miller, so I'm glad you checked it out.

Seriously, though, if you wanted to make a case that this was a bad move for Denver you'd want to employ a qualitative analysis, wonder about team chemistry, argue that Melo/Miller is a more complementary pair, etc.

Well, of course, Matt. The point all of us keep making with regards to efficiency is that this is basketball, not baseball, and qualitative issues matter a lot more than number-crunching. However, at this point I can't even tell if you're poking fun at yourself when you bring up efficiency.

If this turns out to be a bad deal for Denver I still won't be able to fault them for taking the chance. They play in far too tough a conference to simply stand pat.

This gives Denver a great 2 and 3 (unless you buy the charade that Iverson is a 1). This makes Denver a typical second round team. And Denver has pretty much bet they will go deep this year or next, because of Iverson's expiring contract and expiring body. At 31, he is superman, but he isn't the greatest fucking superhuman badass ever imagined...age will get him very very soon.

Philly is gonna suck for a while, but not Knicks-style suck. They have some hope.

f you wanted to make a case that this was a bad move for Denver you'd want to employ a qualitative analysis, wonder about team chemistry, argue that Melo/Miller is a more complementary pair, etc.

Also suggest that AI had secretly joined the Nation of Islam and was now a terrorist. A really fast terrorist. (If you get taken to Gitmo, does your salary come off the books? Does insurance kick in?)

Philly is gonna suck for a while, but not Knicks-style suck. They have some hope

Gawd help us all, but I think the Knicks are going to be in contention before the 76ers are. "Pray for Greg Oden" is not a plan; or rather, it was pretty much the Celtics plan in 1997. And it's only a decade later, so maybe it will still all work out.

This gives Denver a great 2 and 3 (unless you buy the charade that Iverson is a 1).

In the Denver context, Iverson really has to run the point most of the time since I think you'd find the viability of a Boykins-Iverson backcourt to be pretty limited.

Er, you guys are kidding, right? It's Joe Smith, not J.R. Smith.

Er, you guys are kidding, right? It's Joe Smith, not J.R. Smith.

What do you mean? There are two Smiths. Joe Smith was just traded to Philadelphia. J.R. Smith was suspended for 10 games, but otherwise fills the 3-point shooting role that Denver so badly lacked last season.

I think Matt is mostly playing Devil's advocate here regarding the quantitative aspect. The trade may not work for Denver for chemistry/defense reasons (AI is a significant defensive downgrade from Miller, at least from an ob-ball defense standpoint) but anyone seriously arguing that Miller is a better player then Iverson needs their head examined.

I don't even think that Berri would argue that Miller is better...

Although there's no reason to believe that Billy King will be successful in doing so, he has the opportunity to free up the Sixers for the future now.

Here's what he now has to work with

1. Webber's contract - at some point next season, Webber's $20 million expiring contract may be a nice tool to facilitate someone else's deal, while netting the Sixers a draft pick and expiring contracts in return. You never know. Or he could let it expire. Either way, a good thing, but a great GM might turn it into value.

2. Andre Miller - Miller has some nice value and his contract isn't that bad. Atlanta would be a nice fit for him and might be able to secure Atlanta's pick in the upcoming draft. While taking on reasonable contracts.

3. Andre Miller - Miller could also be used to get someone to take Samuel Dalembert off the Sixers hands. If they could do that then they would really have no bad contracts to deal with going forward (Webber's isn't a bad contract because it only lasts for another year).

Fact is, Sixers want to tank the year. It's really the optimal move. If they were smart, they'd deal Kyle Korver as well. They really can't afford to win too many more games. The Oden sweepstakes demands it. If they can get rid of Dalembert before the end of the year, they'll be in a pretty good position to rebuild.

Then again, they were sort of backed into a corner.

If I were Billy King, I would have let it play out to the trading deadline. What's the worst that happens - you lose a few more games along the way? I really don't understand the rush to trade the guy.

I don't even think that Berri would argue that Miller is better...

Why wouldn't he, if his WP is higher?

If I were Billy King, I would have let it play out to the trading deadline.

The reason to deal Iverson now is that they still need to turn around and flip Andre Miller for some value. So, I wouldn't pass judgment on the deal yet. Two first round draft picks (even late first round draft picks) in what is considered to be a great draft class isn't that bad. If they can turn Miller into something else (1. cap relief by packaging him with Dalembert or 2. One or two more draft picks) they didn't turn out all that badly.

Because he cares about his credibility. (Look at how fast he backed away even from the inference that he said Rodman was better than Jordan)

I don't even think that Berri would argue that Miller is better...

I'm pretty sure he would and, indeed, probably will in the near future. During the offseason he wrote that "At point guard, only Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Chauncey Billups, and Gilbert Arenas produced more wins than Andre Miller." Indeed, by Berri's measure Miller is not only better than Iverson but considerably better than Carmelo Anthony.

The reason to deal Iverson now is that they still need to turn around and flip Andre Miller for some value.

You're crazy. Miller's not bad, but he's not that good.

Two first round draft picks (even late first round draft picks) in what is considered to be a great draft class isn't that bad.

The Mavs pick will be, what, maybe the last pick in the first round? And the Denver pick shouldn't be a hell of a lot higher. Prior to expansion, these would be second round picks. No draft is that deep. You're betting on someone making an extraordinarily insightful pick. Not what I'd expect from the Sixers.

I can't think of a worse trade in the last decade. Just unbelievable.

This year'd draft is sick deep, and Philly has THREE picks. That's huge. The two late-rounders will be starter-quality, given some time, and their own pick will be top-ten with the chance of landing Oden. Regardless, that top-ten pick will bring in a permanent replacement for Webber. Back to the playoffs for Philly in two years.

True, AI will probably start at point with JR Smith and Melo at the wings. I don't think this situation makes Denver better or worse. They remain, no offense Matt, kind of Wizards-y.

And worse, they are betting they will get over the top in the next 2-3 years, because after Iverson fades, it will take another 2-3 years (see, e.g., the Lakers) to start gaining momentum around their franchise player. I think Philly made a a sound deal that they had to make. Denver made a deal they didn't have to make. It could turn out great, but more likely, Denver will go a bit deeper in the postseason but still remain an easy out.

(1) MP: Of course Iverson's a 1. You may not think he's a (pure) point guard (and, all-star situations aside, he hasn't been one so far in his career), but then neither is Earl Boykins. Even in today's NBA you don't need a real point guard to be successful; you just need the things the point guard is supposed to do to get done.

(2) Noah and Durant are probably fine consolation prizes, but I'd worry more than usual about tanking for Oden; he appears more than normally likely to stay in school past his freshman year. I think (depending on what transpires over the rest of the college season) he'd be stupid not to enter the draft, but my opinion didn't sway Noah or Matt Leinart either. (And not to denigrate the young women of Ohio, but at some point arguments about "talent," as we had when I brought this issue up many moons ago, stop being credible.)

The only real problem for the Sixers here is that Miller might enable their kids to win a few games. Oden is an extraordinary prospect, and I thought they were a lock pre-Miller. Now, I'm less sure.

Stability at the point can really perk up a team of young talent. See Atlanta early this year for an example.

team of young talent

Damnit, Billy, you forget the talent

I don't agree with DC, but I strongly disagree with SomeCallMeTim.

Why wouldn't Andre Miller have value? I'm really not clear on this. He's a very good starting point guard. An all-star? No. But when Speedy Claxton gets seven million a year, I'd say Andre Miller at 8 million is a fantastic value.

Really, how many starting point guards are better? Nash, Kidd, Paul, Billups, Arenas, Parker. Let's say he's top 10. A top 10 point guard doesn't have good value?

"Indeed, by Berri's measure Miller is not only better than Iverson but considerably better than Carmelo Anthony."

I guess I'm not all that surprised. Miller's always been a good stats guy. He even led the league in assists one year. He's just not as good out on the court as he is in the boxscore.

"Damnit, Billy, you forget the talent"

Philly has a few nice pieces. (Admittedly not as many as Boston or Chicago.) Iguodala, Dalembert, Korver, and Carney all qualify as young talent. They'll win a few odd games with Miller running the point.

As a Co resident, I am glad that Denver didn't have to give up anything beyond Miller (I would not give up Nene, who has great upside, but it would have been fine with me to get rid of Kmart), who is really a walk it up point guard. Karl tries to get him to push, but it is not his style. Still he is one of the top 10 PG in the NBA right now. Joe Smith was great insurance against an injury prone Camby, but he wasn't playing much. The only downside is if Denver doesn't make the playoffs (still possible in the tough WC) and their lottery pick goes to Philly (I wonder if the pick is protected?). I hope the Nugs owner is willing to pay the lux tax and not try to shed other contracts to keep an aging AI and stay below the lux tax threshold. AI can play the pg position fine in Karl's offense. Will he be willing to give up the rock to Melo?

Also to SCMT, you severely underestimate the value of late first and early second round draft picks.

Chances are you don't get a superstar. But this is where you can build a solid supporting cast on the cheap. Let's say the Sixers get Oden. Instead of overpaying like the Cavs for decent talent (Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones, etc.), the Sixers can draft solid role players whose ego won't clash with Oden and will provide a bunch of support, without taking up much cap space.

Drafts 2001-2005 players drafted from the 21st pick on. I'm not saying they're all great, but everyone on this list can provide solid minutes. And there were a ton of good role players I left off so as not to get into disputes on some marginal characters.

1. Gerald Wallace
2. Jamaal Tinsley
3. Tony Parker
4. Trenton Hassell
5. Gilbert Arenas
6. Mehmet Okur
7. Earl Watson
8. Bobby Simmons
9. Tayshaun Prince
10. Nenad Krstic
11. Carlos Boozer
12. Boris Diaw
13. Leandrinho Barbosa
14. Josh Howard
15. Luke Walton
16. Zaur Pachulia
17. Maurice Williams
18. Kyle Korver
19. Kevin Martin
20. Anderson Varejo
21. Chris Duhon
22. Jarret Jack
23. David Lee
24. Monta Ellis

Why wouldn't Andre Miller have value?

If he had that kind of obvious value, why not include the relevant team in this deal? And I'd take Bibby and Livingston (more on potential) and (usually) Cassell over Miller. That's off the top of my head.

But you'll admit that comparing there young talent to Atlanta's is pretty silly, right Petey? Iggy is nice and all, but Josh Smith? Same with Carney vs. Marvin (I still can't get over the poster he put on Camby the other week). Joe Johnson or Kyle Korver? And lest we forget...ZAZA!

Can one detect signs of intelligent life by looking at Billy King? You decide:

King just traded Iverson for two late first rounders (in an admittedly deep draft). This past summer, King turned down an offer for Iverson of Randy Foye and Carlos Boozer.

"it would have been fine with me to get rid of Kmart"

Ya think? It would have fine with me if some guy I passed on the street today had handed me an envelope stuffed full with hundred dollar bills.

If he had that kind of obvious value, why not include the relevant team in this deal?

Because there's no reason to.

If they tried to include the third team in the deal, that team would have some extra leverage and would demand better terms because they knew the Nuggets and Sixers were in a rush to complete the deal.

The reason to deal Iverson now is that they still need to turn around and flip Andre Miller for some value. So, I wouldn't pass judgment on the deal yet. Two first round draft picks (even late first round draft picks) in what is considered to be a great draft class isn't that bad.

If that's the plan, then I agree, it wouldn't be a bad idea to do the trade now. And I completely agree that stockpiling first round picks is a decent idea even if they aren't great picks - remember that NJ got three first round picks from Denver in the K-Mart sign and trade, and they were able to package a couple of those picks for Vince Carter... But I'm a bit skeptical that Phily is planning on trading Miller right away.

I do agree with your later comment that Miller is quite valuable given his contract. These days, you can't just compare talent, you need to look at contracts too. I mean, Baron Davis might - might - be a more talented point guard than Miller, but given that Davis contract is three more years at ~$16 million/yr, they are not equivalent at all.

a:

I think those are a lot of years you're including there, and wide dispersion of picks (from 21 through the early second round). I suspect that if you look at all of the other picks made over that draft position-year spread, you'll find a lot of players that aren't very good. Someone, IIRC, looked at what historical data was available; my recollection of the article is that late picks /second round picks are essentially lottery picks for contributory players. A lot of the players you get won't stick.

"But you'll admit that comparing there young talent to Atlanta's is pretty silly, right Petey?"

Yup. Atlanta is definitely further along in the rebuilding process.

But there are a few rough pieces in Philly. Iverson developed them a bit mentally, too.

SCMT, why do you diss Miller? Bibby over Miller? I don't think so. Miller is way more consistent if not as flashy and a far better passer and rebounder with very few TOs. That said, Philly only gets something approaching value if Denver misses the playoffs and gets a lottery pick. My prediction, Karl and AI will go after each other and one of them has to leave within 1 year (and it won't be Karl). Karl wants players to practice, that is no AI. All in all, I wouldn't have done this trade from Denver's standpoint. I would have built through the draft or traded for a Kmart replacement. Philly got a decent PG but nowhere near equal value for AI.

"But I'm a bit skeptical that Phily is planning on trading Miller right away."

As someone who'll be a Sixers fan again after Iverson winds down, I hope they do trade him right away. As stated previously, I think he could really fuck up the Oden sweepstakes.

And if Billy Kings ends up missing Oden by a few wins because he stupidly brought in and kept a functional player in the Iverson sale, I'd suggest the entire city of Philadelphia strongly consider getting medieval on his ass.

So how good can Denver be? 'Tis the question, no?

How much can Nene and Camby bring? Answer me that, and I'll be able to figure out if their elevator potentially goes to the top floor or not.

Don't know how good they can be, but I'd love to see a Denver-Phoenix playoff series...

Oden is an extraordinary prospect, and I thought they were a lock pre-Miller

It's hard to be a lock when there's this thing called "the lottery". And they don't get any extra balls for being X games worse than the next worse team.

Anyone remember the last time the worst team in the league won the lottery? For some reason I think it hasn't happened in 15+ years.

Anyone remember the last time the worst team in the league won the lottery? For some reason I think it hasn't happened in 15+ years.

Here is your answer.

PG - Iverson
SG - J.R. Smith
SF - Anthony
PF - Nene
C - Camby

Main Rotation Bench:

Najara
Evans
Boykins

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Why not, if Nene and Camby can bring it?

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Watching the Denver presser. A guy I can't identify says:

I like our chances with J.R. standing there playing horse.

I hear that.

And for the Bethlehem Shoals crowd...

Iverson - Michael
Carmelo - Namond
Smith - Randy

"I'd love to see a Denver-Phoenix playoff series..."

There will be a small taste of that matchup available tomorrow night.

Iverson - Michael
Carmelo - Namond
Smith - Randy

Does that make DerMarr Johnson Duqie?

My prediction, Karl and AI will go after each other and one of them has to leave within 1 year (and it won't be Karl).

Payton was and is waay crazier than present-day Iverson. Payton+Kemp? Off the charts. They'll be fine. And I think Denver can go with anyone right now, up to and including the Spurs. They've got a sick, sick team, if Camby stays well. Just nasty. I guess we'll see in the fullness of time, but I think Indy did better in the Artest sweepstakes, the Lakers did much, much better in the Shaq sweepstakes, and...I can't really think of anyone else.

And I don't even really like Iverson's game. But I've been very, very wrong before, so we'll see.

"Does that make DerMarr Johnson Duqie?"

Bingo!

There will be a small taste of that matchup available tomorrow night.

I of course meant Phoenix against Denver with 'Melo and AI, neither of whom are likely to play tomorrow night.

SCMT, Shaq has another ring and Kobe doesn't. How do you figure LA did better in the Shaq deal? Maybe long term (we will see if Miami repeats anytime soon ;-)) but Getting the first NBA championship for a city is worth an awful lot to the folks in Miami. I don't really like AIs game either, but he does fit Karl's style of play (but not for practicing...this is where I see the AI/Karl problems happening.) Even with all of Denver's talent, they are at least 1-2 years from getting through to the finals in the tough WC, and by then Camby and AI will be pretty long in the tooth.

"with 'Melo and AI, neither of whom are likely to play tomorrow night."

At the presser, they said they were optimistic about getting Iverson to tomorrow night's game.

How much can Nene and Camby bring?

No idea how much Nene can bring. Camby always brings a lot, especially in this era of diminished center-quality, except when he's injured and bringing nothing. It's kind of a crap shoot.

Re: Andre Miller's trade value, I can easily imagine a deal being made. Miller has, in a sense, negative value to the Sixers at this point because he runs the risk of helping them win games this year, but he's too old to be part of a rebuilding plan. Philly would want to pretend to be reluctant to part with him in order to get good value, but by the trading deadline I bet they'd be willing to accept whatever the best offer in terms of picks and expiring contracts is out there.

Off the top of my head, Miami is a team that could him and that's definitely not in a rebuilding phase. Give up Posey's expiring contract and a second round pick? Why not? And if you're Philly, why not take it?

We have a nice Dave Berri case study coming up. The Sixers are essentially the same this year as they were last year, with the exception that the kids are a year better and Webber is a year worse.

Miller has a higher WP than Iverson, and since he's almost perfectly replacing Iverson, the team should win at a higher percentage for the rest of the season than the just short of .500 they did last season.

Would it be so crazy for Berri to try and claim a win if the post-deal Sixers do slightly better than the 5-12 the Answered-up Sixers were doing? Conversely, though, Answer fans aren't going to be able to say "but look at his shitty teammates" if the post-trade, post-suspension Nuggets don't significantly improve vis-a-vis where the team was before.

"Camby always brings a lot ... except when he's injured and bringing nothing."

Yup.

"It's kind of a crap shoot."

And Nene is a crap shoot too. He's in the rehab position of being the poor man's Amare. Can he get his game back by March?

They need those two to play with the big boys of the West.

On the meaningless end of things, I wonder if All-Star votes are transferrable across conferences. What happens if AI is voted a starter in the East?

And two days after losing his first time all-star spot, I think Carmelo just got it back.

"Would it be so crazy for Berri to try and claim a win if the post-deal Sixers do slightly better than the 5-12 the Answered-up Sixers were doing?"

The problem is that AI missed a couple of games with the wisdom tooth, and was partially affected by it for another couple of games. Those games weren't wins. And importantly, they started with 6 Home / 11 Road.

In other words, it's a small sample, and it's a notably negative sample for Iverson.

Last year seems a more reasonable comparison to me.

Interesting that Iverson, 'Melo, and J.R. are all wrongly thought of as "bad character guys" by the clueless.

Was the point of sitting Iverson to help the Sixers tank the season and win the Odenstakes?

Was the point of sitting Iverson to help the Sixers tank the season and win the Odenstakes?

Just a nice bonus. Once you start shopping a player around, you have to sit them. Otherwise they might get injured or play poorly and have no/less trade value.

For example, beyond_left_right above wishes the Nuggets could hav dumped K-Mart. However a player with a history of knee problems coming off his second microfracture surgery could not get traded for a sno-cone right now.

The Nuggets wanted to get Nene off their books too, and he is playing, and thus has some value, but not enough (compared to a his contract) due to his poor conditioning and limited minutes while he strengthens his knee.

"Was the point of sitting Iverson to help the Sixers tank the season and win the Odenstakes?"

While I think the Odenstakes definitely played a part in Iverson and the Sixers not being able to resolve their differences, once the break happened, I'd say no. King has done the deal in a decently expedited time frame.

I was actually pretty worried that King was planning to drag his heels on doing the deal until February specifically to get a leg up on the Odenstakes, in which case I was going to have to go kill him to get Iverson sprung.

Odenstakes is the neologism of the day.

Did anyone see OSU play Cincy on Saturday? Da-amn. I am 100% sold. But there is no way in hell that he is 19, he's a dead ringer for Robert Parish, right now.

Re: Oden

I was a little disappointed when I looked at his FT%. I had heard he was a good free throw shooter.

Then I heard he was shooting with his LEFT HAND. I guess he's playing with a not fully healed broken right wrist (his shooting hand). I'm thinking this next draft is going to change the NBA landscape.

Also re: Oden

The Portland Trailblazers GM deserves tons of scorn for his handling of the Trailblazers this year.

They have a bunch of nice pieces in Aldridge, Roy, Jack and Webster. However, those pieces would be eaten alive in the West this year.

But the Portland GM didn't dump all of his current talent that would make them a below mediocre team.

Zach Randolph has value in the league. Yet, the Portland GM did not move him for expiring contracts and draft picks.

Darius Miles probably can't be moved, but he can be kept away from the team at least (I'm not sure if they're currently doing this)

They resigned Joel Pryzbilla to a big deal. Um. . .I can't believe this move. Just a terrible move added on to his other terrible moves.

Juan Dixon is just good enough to help them win a couple of games. He should be sent somewhere where doing a good job is the goal.

If they had moved Randolph and not signed Prybilla and Dixon, the Blazers might be in the lead for Oden (with very good second prize of Durant).

By the way, Durant is looking freaking awesome as well. It's going to be a good top of the draft.

"Zach Randolph has value in the league. Yet, the Portland GM did not move him for expiring contracts and draft picks."

Why on Earth would they want to do that? He's really good and young. You don't move Z-Bo for a shot at the Odenstakes.

a:

I'm more in line with somecallmetim and petey on a couple of your points. In general, you may be placing too much value on picks, or chances to win the lottery (assuming Oden even comes out).

Agree that you're picking from a pretty big range to find the players you list. They are all good picks, but there are 4 or 5 times as many people in that same range (21 to 45ish) that aren't on that list, because they are not that good or out of the league.

Side note: also important to consider, and I don't know the answer to this, how good GM King is at finding talent. Some teams or GMs consistently find talent late (Nellie, Kings, Golden State, Phoenix). Not sure how king will do in that role. It would be easy to assume he'll screw it up because he seems to screw up everything else. But Isiah is a good example of someone who screws up alot of what he does but is typically great at finding talent in the draft.

Also agree with Petey you don't move Randolph on the hope you will win a lottery for a guy who may be in the lottery. Randolph is settling into role as centerpiece, is 23 years old and only guy other than Yao averaging 25 and 10. Bird in the hand, blah blah blah. Plus hard to reverse after telling people for years your building your team around him and that is why Sheed has to go, why we're rebuilding, etc. Also, the Blazers are desperately trying to give people a reason to watch out here (they have tickets starting from $4 just trying to get the stadium partially full).

I'm with you on Przybilla though. I almost think it had more to do with him having been used as the face of the franchise for awhile. He was like, always showing up on TV going to a kids birthday BBQ while Qyntel was fighting his pit bulls and randlolph was hitting up his attorney on speed dial. He was kind of used as the non-threatening face of the organization.

Of course, he did miss over three weeks in Nov. after getting kneed in the balls. A shot to the groin is bad. But a shot to the groin that leaves you unable to play for 25 days? He probably deserves $32 million just for that.

"And if Billy Kings ends up missing Oden by a few wins because he stupidly brought in and kept a functional player in the Iverson sale, I'd suggest the entire city of Philadelphia strongly consider getting medieval on his ass."- Petey

That reminds me of the previously winless Eagles 3 game winning streak that killed their chances of drafting OJ Simpson. That was the incident that drove us to boo Santa Claus (and pelt him with snowballs).


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