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Foxman in a Henhouse

16 Jan 2007 09:08 am

I was going to leave James Traub's profile of Abraham Foxman on its own, but James Kirchik's obnoxious Plank post on the subject compels me to write something. Saith Kirchik:

Traub accuses Foxman of frequently (and presumably erroneously) smearing individuals as anti-Semites. Other than Professors John Mearsheimer and Stepehn Walt (who have written of their belief in a Jewish conspiracy reaching into the highest levels of the press and the government), Traub does not once name a supposed victim of Foxman's descriptive wrath other than Jimmy Carter, whom Foxman never labeled anti-Semitic--just "bigoted."

Frankly, I thought Traub soft-pedaled this a bit, but suffice it to say that here's the point. If the head of the ADL refers to a person as "bigoted" that just is an accusation of anti-semitism. And Foxman, as Traub makes clear and as is, frankly, clear to anyone who's paying attention, has decided to start flinging around accusations of anti-semitism against people he has political disagreements with. Check this passage from Traub's profile:

I asked if it was really right to call Carter, the president who negotiated the Camp David accords, an anti-Semite.

“I didn’t call him an anti-Semite.”

“But you said he was bigoted. Isn’t that the same thing?”

“No. ‘Bigoted’ is you have preconceived notions about things.”

The argument that the Israel lobby constricted debate was itself bigoted, he said.

“But several Jewish officials I’ve talked to say just that.”

“They’re wrong.”

“Are they bigoted?”

Foxman didn’t want to go there. He said that he had never heard any serious person make that claim.

Foxman, apparently, would like us to believe that he's some kind of moron. That the head of the Anti-Defamation League doesn't know what the word "bigot" means. That the head of the ADL is unfamiliar with the existence of Jewish critics of the Israel lobby. That all of these groups exist in order to influence the debate over Israel and yet somehow fail to have any degree of success in constricting the range of respectable options. All of that's absurd. Foxman would need to be, as I say, a fool for any of that to be true. Obviously, however, he's no fool. He knows perfectly well what it means to call someone a bigot, knows perfectly well that however wrong Jimmy Carter may be about Israel that he's not motivated by hatred of Jews, knows perfectly well that this is all basically bogus.

The shame of it is that the ADL does a great deal of genuinely important work. Unfortunately, in recent years Foxman has increasingly chosen to focus attention away from that work in favor of a right-wing political agenda that the overwhelming majority of American Jews abhor. Compromising the ADL's historical strong stand on church-state relations (obviously crucial for a religious minority group in America) because Christian right "leaders tended to be strongly pro-Israel" so "Foxman was willing to cut them some slack on issues of social justice, and even of church-state relations, in the name of solidarity toward Israel." He took out a full page ad in The New York Times to support John Bolton's confirmation as UN Ambassador as if the fate of the Jewish people hinged crucially on whether or not a UN-hating goy got to sit in Turtle Bay. And he's decided that everyone who thinks AIPAC has too much power is ananti-semite bigot, and he's engaging in a little national security policy freelancing offering up hawkish thoughts on containing Iran's nuclear program. At the end of the day, however, I think it's clear that equating anti-anti-semitism with support for hawkish foreign policy in the Middle East and getting in bed with Christian conservatives in order to do so is not going to serve the interests of American Jews.

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The shame of it is that the ADL does a great deal of genuinely important work.

I agree with this, but when I read something like this it's hard to keep that in mind: What's more telling is that the paper of record - which ignored the first Holocaust - decided to devote 5,000 words to maligning and mocking a man who has made it his life's work to avert a second.

Also, I thought you were supposed to err on the side of caution, not vigilance.

So, Foxman's accusations are "bad for the Jews". Why not just "wrong"?

however wrong Jimmy Carter may be about Israel

The only thing wrong with Carter's book is that the title is unfair to the former government in South Africa; the apartheid era didn't see one tenth the assassination, home demolition, and collective punishment that characterize the Zionist regime.

I can only assume Carter is "wrong... about Israel" because he's diverged from the Lobby's gameplan, which relies entirely on saturating American media with Israeli propaganda while enforcing a near-total absence of the Palestinian viewpoint.

I have my own problems with some of the Foxman and ADL positions, but calling President Jimmy as biased, for some reason, towards the "Palestinians" and against the Israelis, is not one of them. (I wouldn't use the term "bigot" but then that is a political choice as to the perceived effect of my words rather than a difference of analysis.) I don't know the origins of his bias, but it was clear to me on the reading of his book, beginning with the offensive title, that there is a clear anti-Israel, pro-Arab bais.

You quote Traub writing:
"I asked if it was really right to call Carter, the president who negotiated the Camp David accords, an anti-Semite."

Perhaps Carter charges Israel with the failure of the promise of Camp David, and is anti-Israel for that reason. (It wouldn't be the first time a Christian leader had close relations with Jews, at first, and was later became biased against them when the Jews diasppointed him. Compare and contrast earlier and later Martin Luther.)

Perhaps, as suggested recently, the anti-Israel bias has something to do with funding of the Carter Center. (I know nothing about this other than what I read in the papers, but if substantial Saudi money has supported the Center, that would be a non-hating reason for Carter's Israel bashing.

But if Foxman, who obviously needs no defense from me, is over the top in using the word "bigot", the mass resignations from Carter's erstwhile friends and colleagues suggests that something untoward is at work, and it isn't because of the so-called "power" of AIPAC (which is overrated) because of a pro-Bolton advertisement (with which I strongly disagree) or because one considers a nuclear Iran to be a threat to Israel, as well as to the rest of the world (And could any fairminded person think that Iranian nuclear weapons are not a serious threat to Isarel and the rest of the world?)

MattF, Matt's right that they're "bad for Jews" because the Lobby's lackeys like Foxman are essentially crying wolf, over and over again. Saying people like Tony Judt are anti-semites because they criticize Israel's rampant human rights violations and call for a one state solution.

Ultimately what's really "bad for Jews" is Israel itself. No event of the 20th century has engendered such resentment as the establishment of the Zionist state and its quasi-official policy of ethnic cleansing ("transfer") necessary to create a Jewish majority in the region. Millions of Arabs have been killed or displaced. Furthermore, now tens of thousands of American soldiers have been killed or maimed fighting for essentially Israeli interests. These are the things that feed an anti-semitic tide in the Middle East and could foment one in the U.S., too.

I don't think "bigoted" is the proper word for what Foxman is trying to convey. The proper word is "prejudiced", which is, literally, to prejudge something.

I don't know if Carter is bigoted (my sense is that he is, although I'm rationally ignorant of much of what Carter says and does). Carter most certainly is prejudiced against Jews.

the mass resignations from Carter's erstwhile friends and colleagues suggests that something untoward is at work

"Mass resignations"? 14 people, mostly Jewish, on a 200-person advisory board resigned. Kenneth Stein, head of the Institute for the Study of Modern Israel at Emory University, resigned.

And as for (what's left of) Foxman's credibility, this is from wikipedia:

As reported by James D. Besser, in The Jewish Week, Foxman has also said: "I believe he [Carter] is engaging in anti-Semitism. . . . For a man of his stature and supposed savvy to hold forth that the issues of Israel and the Middle East have not been discussed and debated because Jews and Zionists have closed off means of discussion is just anti-Semitism."

Apparently, Abe Foxman's job depends on the world being full of anti-semites, much like the U.S. war industry depends on a world full of bad guys to confront. Where none exist, they must be conjured out hysteria and misinformation.

Amerisrael in the 21st century.

If Carter is prejudiced against Jews, then why did he have 14 of them serving on the board of his organization? Idiotic.

We Jews have put together a very effective PC police (ironically, supported in no small measure by people who decry political correctness in other contexts). I agree that crying wolf doesn't serve our interests in the long run.

As for the ongoing question of whether it's possible to have a real debate about this country, some of that is just whining about the fact that mainstream American opinion is basically pro-Israel, which is tough noogies. It's hard to have a real debate about legalizing incest, too. But debate is also stifled by the PC police, who always have an amazing ability to detect an adjective, adverb, or turn of phrase that supposedly calls to mind one of the historical anti-semitic tropes. And presto, now the debate is not about Israel, it's about whether the critic is anti-semitic.

I'm fairly pro-Israel myself, frankly. But it still amazes me that debate over Israel's policies is far more taboo in this country than it is within Israel itself. I think more honesty on all sides of the issue would lead to a better peace process, and thus a better Middle East.

"[Foxman] ... knows perfectly well that however wrong Jimmy Carter may be about Israel that he's not motivated by hatred of Jews...."

Maybe Carter is motivated by a hatred of Abe Foxman? Doesn't sound too implausible ...

For "bigoted" and "prejudiced" to mean anything of substance "irrational" has to be part of the equation. We all judge things from incomplete evidence since there isn't any other kind.

"Prejudiced" and "bigoted" has to also imply that the individual's feelings and beliefs are impervious to evidence or reason.

It also helps to acknowledge that there's an element of malice in there, too.

What of any of that applies to Carter?

This refrain that neoconservatives, AIPAC and Foxman don't speak for Jews or "serve their interests" is wishful thinking. They do, because they put their money and their time where their mouths are.

By way of comparison, I can say the warmongering U.S. government and Congress don't speak for me as an American all I want, but it still doesn't mean shit. I wish they didn't, but they do, and that's the way the rest of the world, correctly, see it.

What have they done that constitutes important work since the 1970's?

Weren't they going through Nancy Pelosi's garbage and keeping a dossier on her in their enemies list at one time?

"Maybe Carter is motivated by a hatred of Abe Foxman? Doesn't sound too implausible ..."

Clearly you don't understand that it's all the same thing. The "controversy" over Jimmy Carter's anti-Semitism (or lack thereof) only makes sense if you accept as your definition of "anti-Semitism" to be "any attitude that's even slightly critical of the state of Israel or any of its policies, past, present, or future."

It's a "debate" that's entirely about who gets to define the terms of the debate, and in 2007 America, such contests seem to be slanted toward the louder and more aggressive.

Brendan,

Oh come on. Unlike the US government, where we (a) elect our leaders, and (b) pay taxes, we Jews do not elect Neoconservatives, Abe Foxman or the ADL in some kind of formal plebecite. They do not speak for us as a whole, any more than Al Sharpon speaks for all blacks, or La Raza speaks for all hispanics. We can say that the government speaks for us whether we like it or not, because there are certain mechanisms in place that guarrantee that to be true. The same cannot be said of the ADL. Are all christians represented by Pat Robertson? How about Cardinals of the church?

I don't know if Carter is bigoted (my sense is that he is, although I'm rationally ignorant of much of what Carter says and does). Carter most certainly is prejudiced against Jews.

Apparently, Al would also like us to believe that he's some kind of moron. That he doesn't know what the word "prejudiced" (or the word "bigoted") mean.

Aren't there polls showing that most American Jews opposed the Iraq war?

I don't know if "most" Jews opposed the war, but I do know that Jews have always opposed the war in higher percentages than the American public at large, at all times going back to 2002.

I ask this as unironically as possible:

Would it be so disastrous if Israel as we know it ceased to exist and a bi-national, U.N.-behaving, and slightly more egalitarian, less repressive state took its place?

What is the primary motivation for the unwillingness of Israel to obey international law (with regard to everything: nukes, torture, collective punishment) and even eventually cede to a more just arrangement of power? Would I be being anti-semitic if I suggested that it were, with the Zionists as with any human beings, loss of wealth that ultimately prevents progress in that regard?

A bi-national state could honor Jewish heritage, offer opportunity for Jewish re-immigration, and establish ample security based on justice instead of religious favoritism. Unless you buy into the racist construct of crazy, violent, irrational Arabs peddled by pro-Israel U.S. media and others, it's clear that Palestinian violence against Israelis would be significantly lower given greater opportunities of education, health, employment, etc for Palestinian youth.

So to anyone who considers himself "pro-Israel", I ask again, what is the real impediment to the construction of a just regime in Israel/Palestine? And does it justify the slow extermination of an entire population?

Murph,

If you believe that any of the people involved -- Palestinians, Israelis, Iranians, Saudis, Brooklyn-born troublemakers, etc. -- really want a bi-national state then I want a taste of whatever you're smoking. Sure, a United States like state would be great, and would be fair, and most people around the world would love it. But if you think that this will happen in the next thousand years, it just demonstrates that you haven't spent much time over there. Palestinians don't want it. Israelis don't want it. It's like a game of prisoner's dilemma. Both parties want it all, and it's silly to imagine that a single state solution will work anytime soon.

I'm sorry to say it, but this squib by Yglesias is worse than the Protocols of Zion.

Murph's suggestion would have to be enforced from the outside somehow. Not sure I see how that could work.

"(And could any fairminded person think that Iranian nuclear weapons are not a serious threat to Isarel and the rest of the world?)"

A more serious threat than Russian, Indian, Chinese, Israeli, Pakistani nuclear weapons? Or for that matter U.S. nukes (since in fairness we're the only country that ever used them)? In general, proliferation is dangerous, but a double standard is being applied to Iran.

If that's true, I wish the Israeli's all the luck that the French Algerians had.

Murph's suggestion would have to be enforced from the outside somehow. Not sure I see how that could work.

Why?

Hobbesian war was the bugaboo that kept apartheid in place in South Africa and it never happened.

Ed,

Just out of curiosity, your comparison with the French Algerians makes it sound like you believe that the Israelis have no right to be there at all. Do you think that?

IP Guy, what right do the Israelis have to that land, 6-7% AT MOST of which was actually bought, the rest, acquired by war (in violation of international law)?

Thanks.

I don't think God put them there or anything, no.

No event of the 20th century has engendered such resentment as the establishment of the Zionist state and its quasi-official policy of ethnic cleansing ("transfer") necessary to create a Jewish majority in the region.

I have voiced similar concerns about Zionism, but what's interesting is the nice double standard we have. I think we lefty-moonbats would go a lot further in getting more "mainstream" elements of the Jewish community (I am referring to the American Jewish community which, too often, seems to have institutionalized a Likudnik view of Zionism -- I am considered way to the left on the issue of Israel amongst my fellow American Jews, but my positions place me, in terms of Israeli politics, just to the left of the center of Labor ... so why does Abe Foxman think so many Israeli Jews are anti-Semitic?) to heed our viewpoints if we'd just acknowledge our double standard and point out that our double standard is what historically is supported by Judaism (the whole "chosen people" thing is a double standard, nu? we are "chosen" to observe stricter rules, etc.) and the de facto moral relativism of Zionism is really alien to Judaism and represents what the Neo-cons would call in other contexts, "the soft bigotry of low expectations".

But we should acknowledge the double standard, nonetheless, if only to argue that it is not anti-Semitic of us to have it (if we don't acknowledge it, we cannot convince anyone we are not anti-Semitic). What is this double standard? Consider the following statements:

No event of the 20th century has engendered such resentment as the establishment of the Czech[oslovak] state and its quasi-official policy of ethnic cleansing ("transfer [of Sudeten Germans]") necessary to create a Czech majority in the region.

No event of the 20th century has engendered such resentment as the establishment of the Indian state and its quasi-official policy of ethnic cleansing ("transfer") necessary to create a Hindu majority in the region.

Etc.

Israel is being condemned for doing the same thing that other countries have done. Nobody is saying that other nations are engendering resentment for such actions. In part, because there was no pre-established prejudice upon which to build in the first place.

I had somewhere else I wanted to go with this line of thought, but work has distracted me ... how dare it ;)

Murph -- in case you haven't noticed, about 93% of the United States was taken by war. Are we going to evacuate the continent, and if so, where to? Don't we sort of have to deal with these problems as we find them, and not wishfully imagine how great it would be if things hadn't happened the way they did?

Ed -- I wasn't suggesting that God put the Israelis in Israel, but given the fact that the vast majority of them were born there, and raised there, do you think that they have as good a case as anyone else for remaining there, too? Or would you like them evacuated to a deserted spot in the world, like Antarctica?

Remember, it was Congressmen themselves who said AIPAC was the second most powerful lobby in the US (after the AARP). This is only different from other tribal lobbies in degree, not kind. The Cuban, Armenian and Irish lobbies are powerful as well and the Indian lobby is growing in power. Now, if Mearsheimer and Walt had written a smarter paper (not lumping so much together under "The Lobby," not writing unsubstantiated things like many Jews have dual alliances without being footnoted, not saying the Iraq War was only about Israel), it would have - and should have - been a smart paper. Instead, they piled shit on a diamond. AIPAC and TNR picked up on these problems right away. Now the water is poisoned for anyone willing to make the same argument without the excess fat. Like AIPAC really needed the help. Now whenever someone criticizes Israel, Mearsheimer and Walt just gets thrown in good people's faces.

Hobbesian war was the bugaboo that kept apartheid in place in South Africa and it never happened. - Ed Marshall

Actually, the reason why many people felt in good conscience that they could support the anti-apartheid movement was that even such "radical" figures as Nelson Mandela (back then, people didn't think he was some cute, cuddly feller) took some pains to assure the world that, should the ANC get in charge, that Hobbesian war wouldn't happen. You can bet that if the Palestinians had a movement along the lines of Nehru's movement in India (the significance of which was not just that Gandhi's non-violence gained a lot of good publicity and re-assured the Brits ... but also that an independent India would be a functioning democracy that would be a trading partner to Britain, etc.) that would re-assure Israelis, skittish for good reason, that an independent Palestinian state wouldn't be merely a base for a barrage of rocket attacks on Israel but would rather be an actual state and trading partner, the Israelis would ensure such a state happened quicker than you could say "road map".

OTOH, what has the pro-Palestine movement done to reassure folks that there wouldn't be a Hobbesian war?

many Jews have dual alliances without being footnoted

A funny line when taken out of context ... if we're footnoted, we don't have dual alliances?

Seriously, though, the people who complain the most about that paper, especially the complaint about dual loyalty, are the same people who when in 2004 you'd tell them "I'm voting for Kerry", they'd say "don't you know, as a Jew, you should vote for Bush 'cause he's good for Israel". It's bad enough when anti-Semites accuse us of having dual loyalties ... it's worse when Jews claim that all good Jews must have dual loyalties.

"No event of the 20th century has engendered such resentment as the establishment of the Indian state and its quasi-official policy of ethnic cleansing ("transfer") necessary to create a Hindu majority in the region."

Actually, this is more a 21st-century project in any sense of the word. The Indian state was based on Fabianism and multiculturalism. While I am not defending the atrocity that is the unjust occupation of Kashmir, it should be pointed out that the primary reason (along with control of water flows for geopolitical reasons) that Kashmir is under Indian occupation is that the Indian state wished to have a Muslim majority province in India. New Delhi feared that an independent Kashmir or a Kashmir fully in Pakistan would legitimize the idea of a nation-state based on religious identity, which was against the ideals of the INC. There was also fear that other communities, primarily Punjabi Sikhs and Indian Christians, would then seek independence based on religious identity. The Israel occupation is based on land and is complicated by people while the Indian occupation is based on people (the Palestinians) and complicated by the recent growth of Hinduvta power. The Hinduvta movement did not gain real national state power in India until the 1990's with the BJP and Vajpayee's electoral wins, which led to the first central state-led pogroms against Muslims in Gujarat (previous pogroms and riots were either started by non-state actors or supported only by local governments, not the central state). Since then, the BJP has lost national power to the Congress Party. Shiv Sena-style thugs have more often found power in gangs than at the ballot box.

This is not to justify an unjust policy which must end, but it should be noted that what the Likud has tried to do has not been as widespread in modern history. A more proper comparison would be to the Chinese movement of Han Chinese into Tibet and Xinjiang to dilute the Tibetan and Uyghur majorities there respectively. In Tibet this has already happened. The American left has long been against the Communists' policies toward Tibet ("Save Tibet" anyone?), just as many American liberals were against apartheid and are now against the Israeli occupation of Palestine, the Russian occupation of Chechnya, etc.

It should be noted that American Jews are not a caricature of the Likud. Back in 2002 IIRC there were some polls that showed that Jewish-Americans were privately more critical of Israeli policies than the average American. However, they have been afraid to speak up out of fear of being called a self-hating Jew, especially as right-wing individuals and organizations have taken over Hillels and shouted down compassionate rabbis. Sad thing is that pretty much only The Nation wrote about the polls which were carried out by a major pollster (maybe the Pew Center, but I can't remember which exactly). Remember how Matt wrote about feeling uncomfortable how even a reform synagogue would have up Israeli flags? Not everyone who is Jewish is Charles Krauthammer, who goes ballistic (according to M. J. Rosenberg, who has both attended the same synagogue as K-wheels and worked for AIPAC) when an Israeli rabbi dares to say that there should be peace on Israel's terms, which crazy K yelled in the middle of the service that it was appeasement.

"The Israel occupation is based on land and is complicated by people while the Indian occupation is based on people (the Palestinians) and complicated by the recent growth of Hinduvta power"

This should have read The Israel occupation is based on land (Greater Israel) and is complicated by people (the Palestinians) while the Indian occupation is based on people and complicated by the recent growth of Hinduvta power.

"many Jews have dual alliances without being footnoted

A funny line when taken out of context ... if we're footnoted, we don't have dual alliances?"

I meant was that they wrote something like many Jews have dual alliances, which is just an irresponsible thing to write, without being able to back it up, which just makes it worse. "Many" can mean just about any number higher than 2. One could write "many black men are criminals" while being technically correct because there are more than 2 black male criminals in America, but the intent would obviously be to say that black men tend to be criminals or that more criminals are black men. I think that anti-Semitism here was at most a second cause of such stupidity - the fact both writers belong to the obsolete school of thought known as neo-realism being the predmoninant factor - and may not have even been present. However, when the paper moved from criticizing AIPAC and the Likud to larger sections of society, the paper turned from insightful to creepy. I really wanted the M-W paper to be good because AIPAC needs to be exposed and I'm tired of anti-Semitism being turned into a cure-all counterargument to any thoughtful criticism of Israeli policies. I was disappointed due to stupid shit like that. Mearsheimer and Walt let us down.

DAS:

Those comparisons (India, Czechoslovakia -- I think you once mentioned post-WWII Poland) are apt. Whoever said "No event of the 20th century has engendered..." discredited his subsequent arguments with this kind of Israel-centric argument.

I am a regular and vehement commenter and critic of Israel, but your point is one that should be remembered: Israel is behaving the way states behave and will do so as long as it is advantageous.

What incenses me, and I think most "anti-Israel" people is not Israeli behavior itself but, rather, the utter dominance of Israel's lobby here in the U.S., which produces grotesqueries like this summer's 410-8 Lebanon cease-fire resolution, or Steve Rosen's taunting, credible boasts about getting seventy signatures on a cocktail napkin, or what will soon be a war with Iran. Enlisting the U.S. so overtly on its side creates an imbalance of power that is inevitably abusive and self-reinforcing.

brendan,

"Enlisting the U.S. so overtly on its side creates an imbalance of power that is inevitably abusive and self-reinforcing."

And, ironically, it isn't good for Israel itself. That's what's so ironic about Foxman's parroting of the Likudnik line -- it isn't what's in Israel's self interest, either.

Reality Man:

Would it have helped if Mearsheimer and Walt had said "many Jews in the government have dual allegiances"? That is, as I recollect, pretty much the thrust of their piece.

We're talking about high-ranking people, numbers 2 and 3 at the Pentagon, for example, who were working in the 90's on the campaign of an extremist Israeli politician who undermined U.S. policy for heavens' sake. We're talking about people whose primary qualifications for their positions were running the Jerusalem Post or Israeli arms or Israeli law offices. I mean, do we let Putin's campaign aides work in the Pentagon?

Some of these infiltrators, like Feith and Wurmser, were just out-and-out agents and spies. Calling it "dual allegiance" is too charitable.

Brendan: I think the point is that one has the obligation to name names in such cases, in order not to be accused of casting the net too widely. After all, there are in fact Jews who own media companies, but still...

Some of these infiltrators, like Feith and Wurmser, were just out-and-out agents and spies. Calling it "dual allegiance" is too charitable.- brendan

The question is "for whom?". As IP Guy points out, the policies some of these people are pushing are not good for Israel itself. When I am in a paranoid mood, I think about who was involved in Iran/Contra as well as who was powerful at a certain point in Bush & CO, about all the things Bush & CO has done to help Iran (if inadvertantly) and the hard-liners there (if only by his sabre rattling), and wonder if Iranian agents with hard-line ties are somehow involved ...

"What incenses me, and I think most 'anti-Israel' people is not Israeli behavior itself but, rather, the utter dominance of Israel's lobby here in the U.S." --Brendan

Brendan, I've read a number of your vehement "anti-Israel" comments here and elsewhere, and this is the first time I've seen you indicate that your anger is less at Israel (which is just doing what states do) and more at a certain number of American Jews who influence U.S. policy vis-a-vis Israel. It cannot be rationally denied that the influence you lament exists and is powerful. Assuming arguendo that this is a bad thing, what do you think should be done about it?

I'm sorry to say it, but this squib by Yglesias is worse than the Protocols of Zion.

SomeAlsoCallYouADoofus. Seriously, what the hell can you possibly mean by this? You are, in effect, doing the exact same thing as Foxman - equating disagreement (pretty mild, I must add, in Matt's case) with hatred/prejudice.

(If my sarcasm-meter is somehow broken, apologies...)

Matthew,
Please wake up!

I respect you enormously for being one of the few, if not the only, widely read Jewish bloggers who refuses to tolerate the knee-jerk equation of anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

However, your comment:

Foxman has increasingly chosen to focus attention away from that work in favor of a right-wing political agenda that the overwhelming majority of American Jews abhor.

willfuly ignores the reality that if, indeed, "an overwhelming majority of American Jews abhor" Foxman's right-wing political agenda, then Q.E.D., support for the ADL -- at least Foxman's version -- would collapse, and the guy would lose his bully pulpit.

The truth is that an overwhelming majority of American Jews, through a toxic mixture of indifference, a warped sense of entitlement, paranoia and a measure of religious fundamentalism are exactly the engine that drives resistence to thoughtful, balanced perspective's like Mr. Carter's.

It is overwhelmingly clear that an equitable solution for Palestine is the one central key for stability, if not peace, in the Middle East. And it is the lack of responsible action in support of a fair and reasonable settlement from precisely that same "overwhelming majority of American Jews" that makes a sane Middle East policy an oxymoran.

Edmund Burke's observation is as pertinent as ever:

All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Shalom,

Gus

Foxman's right-wing political agenda, then Q.E.D., support for the ADL -- at least Foxman's version -- would collapse, and the guy would lose his bully pulpit.

This hardly follows. You are assuming that attention is being paid to the totality of Foxman's statements. I don't think that recent history demonstrates such attention being focused on opionators of any stripe.

DAS, Gator90, Steve:

DAS:

Your definition of "the good of Israel" differs from the Israeli right's position. Alas, they are the ones who dominate Israeli politics and, even more so, Israel's lobbying arm in the U.S. Maybe what they do is "not good" for Israel, but that's evidently not what they think.

Gator90:

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict going on a long time and, aside from occasional disgust at the bullshit I was being fed by tv or the NYT, I didn't become acutely cognizant of it until the invasion of the West Bank in 2002, when I realized that 9-11 was being used as an excuse to abandon any pretense of impartiality there (the treatment of Powell at the time was a genuine shock). It was also then that I realized that Israel's lobby wanted the invasion of Iraq and, ultimately, an attack on Iran and/or Syria. With particular anger I remember AIPAC's April 2003 gathering, at which, in a time of war, 50 Senators found time to attend a speech by Condoleezza Rice that was closed to the press because the organizers, according to the Washington Post, didn't want to encourage "anti-Semitic conspiracy theories" (I am probably repeating myself in this comment). In other words, I became painfully cognizant of Israeli influence when that influence helped get the U.S. into an immoral and catastrophic war. Isn't that enough motive?

Steve:

Point taken. I will name names. Perle is on the board of the Jerusalem Post. Feith is a partner of a Jerusalem law firm. All the signatories of PNAC worked for Netanyahu (Wolfowitz, Abrams, Feith, Wurmser, Perle, etc.). Others in the Pentagon include Shulsky, Libby, Hannah, Joseph, Zakheim.

I didn't mention "media companies" generally, but as far as I'm concerned, Sulzberger and Miller were Israeli operatives. Meanwhile, I don't feel like marking up the mastheads of our newspapers and tv outlets with little crosses and stars of david to do a tally. I do understand that it was a political coalition of narrow but disparate interests that took us to war and that those advocates for Israel called "neoconservatives" were hardly the only ones to participate in that coalition. Perhaps I've focused my attention unduly on the Jewish and Israel-related element of that coalion -- nevertheless, some focus is merited.

Gus,

Most American Jews think of the ADL and think of nothing more than the fight against school prayer, or some other thing that the ADL was doing in 1979. I know that's what my parents, and most of the folks they know, are thinking, and when I raise this issue they simply don't understand. In the same way that most people who give money to the Salvation Army rarely think about the fact that it is a right wing evangelical outfit, most people who give money to the ADL are hardly thinking about the impact that it has on helping right-wing neoconservatives filet Iraq (most Jews opposed Iraq, for example, and most vote democratic).

pooh,

Perhaps my logic may be faulty, but clearly Foxman and his ilk have a large and influential following -- and if not in the mainstream, then who in blazes are these opinators and why are they so successfull at making themselves heard?

This is a sincere question:

if, as Matthew says, "a majority of American Jews abhor" such right-wing cant, why do the Foxman's of this world dominate the discourse?

bewilderedly yours,

Gus

Gus:

I think this notion of Jews jumping out shouting "anti-Semite" is a bit of a straw man. I have an angry and ascerbic demeanor on these Comment threads, at various sites, and am nearly always treated respectfully and pretty dispassionately (or ignored, I guess). And, I think, this is more and more the case the more this subject gets aired.

I suspect that much of the lobby's power is social power and the power of social conventions as much as it is money in politics, which is why I hope it will be fruitful to just get people more and more used to discussing a topic that has not been discussed until recently. Matthew Y. recently had a post where he suggested it was anachronistic to refer to "the WASP establishment". Indeed, this is not Alexander Portnoy's America. Jews are part of the establishment. This doesn't make Jewish commenters here "the establishment" (they are probably not if they're at a site like this) but it does make the suggestion that our foreign policy might unduly benefit Israel a plausible one.

Correct my error of putting everyone under the "Pentagon" rubric.

if, as Matthew says, "a majority of American Jews abhor" such right-wing cant, why do the Foxman's of this world dominate the discourse?

It's an excellent question to which I have no answer. I mean poll after poll (for what that's worth, I suppose) show that the public in general is significantly to 'left' of the mainstream pundits, who range from your hard-right Krauthammers and Novaks to your milquetoast middle-of-the-road Broders.

I'd suspect that it's not that hard. Not many people listening have read Walt & Mearsheimer, or can watch Arabic TV without translation, so subtle but devastating misrepresentations of the views espoused therein go largely unchallenged.

As to Foxman specifically, I'd speculate that it's not surprising that the most militantly anti-anti-semitic is also the most militant, full stop.

"Perhaps Carter charges Israel with the failure of the promise of Camp David, and is anti-Israel for that reason. (It wouldn't be the first time a Christian leader had close relations with Jews, at first, and was later became biased against them when the Jews diasppointed him. Compare and contrast earlier and later Martin Luther.)"

"The Jews" or Isreal. OR is there not a difference?

Brendan: I didn't mean that you had to name names, in fact it was pretty clear to me who you were talking about. Rather, I meant that the criticism of Walt and Mearshimer is that they failed to name names, which led to charges that their paper was less than scholarly. It shouldn't be up to people like you to go around backing up their arguments with specificity.

In any event, and stipulating that Walt and Mearshimer may have been less than perfect in numerous respects, it still seems to me that it's awfully hard to steer completely clear of the countless pitfalls that lead to a charge of anti-semitism. No matter what anyone says, you always end up hearing "So, you're saying that Jews control X?" or "So, you're saying that Jews like to accumulate money and power?" or whatever, and I don't accept that this state of affairs exists because every last critic of Israeli policy is actually anti-semitic.

Thanks Pooh, Brendan and IP Guy,

for your generous-spirited responses to my comments & queries.

While, as a practice, I strive to avoid reductionist generalizations about any ethnic, religious or political group, I have a few bruises from some not-so-soft straw men of the anti-Israeli policy equals bigoted-pro-terror cadre, and the ache does not fade so quickly.

It is heartening, however, to get feedback from thoughtful folks, that I am not entirely alone in my views. Yes, IP Guy, I too have talked with parents of friends who sound, to me, at least 20 years out of touch with the political realities of Israeli-interest lobbies in the states. There is a sort of old school "Is it good for the Jews?" blinkered attitude that is impenetrable for a wasp-born Buddhist like me.

I want to shout, "How good for the Jews is an eternity of terrorism escalating into progressively more horrific micro-nuclear events?" But I don't. I've even given up trying to mildly suggest that cultivating common interests with the countries one borders might have superior long-term strategic advantages. (Those bruises I was mentioning . . . )

In fact, I have mostly given up talking about it all -- which is one of the reasons I appreciate Matthew's (and you-all's) willingness to tread these verboten waters.

As-Salamu Alaykum,

Gus

Foxman has, for a long time now, been Bad for the Jews.

I feel that my generation of Jews has largely shirked our responsibility to take over our political organizations from the post-Holocaust generation, and reshape policy and attitudes to reflect modern realities. However, there is a dynamic common to almost all ethnic political organizing in the US (at least) in which the most dogmatic, nationalist, retrograde elements of the community tend to be the ones who invest their energies in intra-community political organizing, and they guard their monopoly over the community's political bodies jealously. The comparison of Foxman to Sharpton which Traub makes is apt. Similar dynamics can be observed in the Vietnamese-American and Cuban-American communities. (I'm curious about the Iranian-American community -- same deal?)

Why it that the conservatives accuse black people of playing the race card whenever they try to deflect criticism(whether legitimate or illegitmate) of themselves, but don't recognize they are accusing themselves when they play the anti-semitism card?

During the Lamont campaign, anti-Semitism was imputed to the Lamont effort by people like Nadler and Lanny Davis and the Lieberman campaign itself. I don't know whether Foxman was involved in this, but it is typical of his mentality.

How anyone could see the histories of Israel and Czechoslovakia or India as even remotely analogous is beyond me. To take the first example, the Czechs and Slovaks were both looking for independence from the Hapsburgs, giving them common cause, and Chechoslovakia never implemented an official decades-long policy of discrimination against the minority Slovaks, because their inclusion in the new state was desired. Not true for the Zionist project, sorry.

Another ridiculous line offered above is that the Zionist conquest and the conquest of the United States are somehow similar. Would the historian who offered up that one explain which foreign countries the millions of Native American refugees are currently holed up in, for one? And what about differing conceptions of international law in the 18th and 20th centuries--very trivial, I know.

Anyway, I see that the Shlomo Ben Ami line--that this is how nations start, and lamentable though it may be, what's done is done--is in wide favor. Justice and international law, mmm, not so much.

When one observes the unprincipled attitudes toward Israel here it's little wonder the American left is such a negligible force today.

Murph:

IP Guy was comparing the postwar experience of Sudeten, Silesian, Pomeranian and East Prussian Germans with that of Palestine's Arabs. It's a provocative comparison, but nevertheless a legitimate one.

Compromising the ADL's historical strong stand on church-state relations (obviously crucial for a religious minority group in America) because Christian right "leaders tended to be strongly pro-Israel" so "Foxman was willing to cut them some slack on issues of social justice, and even of church-state relations, in the name of solidarity toward Israel."



The irony of course is that Foxman is just as harshly criticized by American Jewish Zionists for failing to give the Christian Right a free pass. Here's Foxman, in his own words, discussing the challenge presented by pro-Israel evangelicals.




The meme that the liberal American Jewish establishment has sold its soul in the name of Israel advocacy is so powerful that it is simply accepted uncritically. I would expect more insight from the eponymous holder of the Yglesias Award, but on this issue he seems content to keep feeding red meat to the Israel bashers.

Brendan,

Sulzberger isn't Jewish. Like his mother, he's an Episcopalian. Beyond that, you only play into Abe's hands if you assert there's a straight Jewish/neo-con correlation. The most powerful of the neo-cons, one Richard B. Cheney, is a Methodist. Larry Franklin, the Pentagon official arrested for passing classified documents to Israel (via AIPAC) is Catholic.

beowulf:

That's not true.

Look it up and look up the history of the Sulzberger family, who were old money New York Jews who were, like Robert Moses, reticent about their Jewish heritage (to the point of treating contemporaneous news of the Holocaust with overcompensating skepticism).

But it's not necessarily essential, either. Any slut to power might have fronted Miller's stories. Miller, on the other, hand, is clearly an Israeli asset and true believer in the cause, to the point of sleeping with men of power responsible for U.S. security policy.

The meme that the liberal American Jewish establishment has sold its soul in the name of Israel advocacy is so powerful that it is simply accepted uncritically.

Except that we're not talking about the liberal American Jewish establishment. Unless AIPAC, Peretz and Foxman count as liberal.

Further, the equation of saying something critical of an American Jew (Foxman) with "Israel bashing" is exactly the dynamic that MY is railing against.

I've figured out not to try to communicate with anyone who uses "Israel basher" or "Israel bashing".

Except that we're not talking about the liberal American Jewish establishment. Unless AIPAC, Peretz and Foxman count as liberal.

The liberal American Jewish establishment contains the traditional alphabet soup of mainstream Jewish organizations - the ADL, the AJC (American Jewish Committee), the American Jewish Congress, and the Religious Action Center (RAC) of Reform Judaism. All of these groups consistently take liberal and progressive positions on church-state issues, civil rights and economic issues to the extent they address them at all. All of these groups are also Zionist (who do endorse a two-state solution.)

(AIPAC is a single-issue lobby dedicated to American-Israeli relations, it is by definition indifferent to American domestic issues. Marty Peretz speaks for Marty Peretz, although I don't think anyone can reasonably say that TNR goes soft on the Chrisitian Right.)

Further, the equation of saying something critical of an American Jew (Foxman) with "Israel bashing" is exactly the dynamic that MY is railing against.




I'm criticizing MY's knee-jerk railing. Rather than actually examining what Foxman has or hasn't done while at the ADL, MY pasted in the meme and moved onto topics that he chooses to think critically about. Foxman certaintly didn't pull punches against the Passion out of fear of offending evangelical Zionists. The meme is raw meat for those who want to have to take potshots at AIPAC, Walt and Mearshimer's mythical "Lobby" or Israel in general. Contrary to one posters declaration, I don't find a progressive bloggers willingness to acknowledge an obvious distinction between anti-Semitism and Israel criticism, or an academic distinciton between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism to be courageous. Progressive bloggers face far more fury if they dare point to the overlaps between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism.

attn: mhp
re: "Progressive bloggers face far more fury if they dare point to the overlaps between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism."

Nothing in the 20th or 21st centuries has done more to promulgate anti-Semitism than Zionism.


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