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A Woman Advantage?

05 Feb 2007 12:45 pm

Via GFR, a Peter Beinart column that, while full of interesting notions, doesn't make sense to me. The main point is that as the public becomes more interested in international cooperation and less interested in military conflict, voters become more open to woman candidates and this is helpful to Hillary Clinton:

Not coincidentally, the percentage of Americans who say they will vote for a female presidential candidate has returned to roughly 90 percent. And the approval ratings for John McCain -- the contender most associated with an aggressive, ultra-tough foreign policy -- have crashed. A February 2006 poll found that, when asked whether a man or a woman would do a better job as commander-in-chief, respondents were evenly split. And, when asked who would do a better job on foreign policy, the hypothetical female candidate led by eight points. It stands to reason. If voters who oppose the Iraq war remain more likely to support female candidates, as they were several years ago, that's good news for Clinton, because there are a lot more of them now.

But this has nothing in particular to do with Clinton. Presumably, any non-Lieberman Democrat will be helped vis-à-vis John McCain insofar as the public grows more skeptical about the use of military force. The more important bit of research Beinart sites comes in the next paragraph where he observes that "Research shows that female candidates--especially Democratic ones--are perceived as more liberal than they really are." This quickly gets turned around into a clever pro-HRC point ("She may find it easier to run as an antiwar candidate because that is how people are predisposed to see her. Ever since she entered the U.S. Senate, Clinton has been trying to overcome people's ingrained perceptions. Now she must hope she hasn't succeeded too well.") but I think it's obviously a huge problem for her candidacy.

Who wants to nominate a candidate who's going to be perceived as more liberal than she really is? Who benefits from that, exactly? Well, it's a good combination from the point of view of Al From, but I think from other points of view it's pretty clearly a raw deal. You want a candidate who broadens the appeal of progressive politics (perhaps Petey has a recommendation), not a candidate whose a useful mechanism for selling a not-so-progressive message to the base voters in the primary.

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You want a candidate who broadens the appeal of progressive politics (perhaps Petey has a recommendation)

Petey has already made his suggestion--John Edwards--and it's a pretty darned good suggestion, at that.

Who wants to nominate a candidate who's going to be perceived as more liberal than she really is?

Well, that kind of implies that being perceived as liberal is a bad thing...i.e., that conservatism = popularity on some level. If that's the case, then centrist "triangulators" are the only hope we liberals have for winning elections.

But I'd like to think that's not true. I hope that the current political climate has shifted since the 80s, and that "liberal" is no longer a dirty word. And even if that hasn't quite come to pass yet, I think we need to push in that direction by not being ashamed of appearing liberal.

So my only problem with Hillary is her tendency to appease conservatives, not her reputation as a liberal.

Presumably, any non-Lieberman Democrat will be helped vis-à-vis John McCain insofar as the public grows more skeptical about the use of military force.

Can anyone tell me why Lieberman hasn't entered the 2008 Presidential race? What possible argument against his candidacy could penetrate the miasma of entitlement and wounded self-righteousness that surrounds him and coats his every word and thought?

You want a candidate who broadens the appeal of progressive politics (perhaps Petey has a recommendation)

Insofar as 28,000 sq. ft. mansions are appealing to progressives, I bet Petey does!

Well, that kind of implies that being perceived as liberal is a bad thing...i.e., that conservatism = popularity on some level. If that's the case, then centrist "triangulators" are the only hope we liberals have for winning elections.

No, I don't think it does. The same logic would hold for a Republican - an actual moderate who was perceived as conservative would be a bad candidate, too. So, it doesn't imply that "conservatism = popularity."

Second, I don't think he means that "centrist 'triangulators'" are the only people who can win elections. Rather, I think Matt's arguing that people who are perceived as centrist are the people who have the best chance of winning elections.

John Edwards, who has the most substantively liberal/progressive policy positions viable candidate in the field, is a good example of someone who is actually perceived as more moderate/centrist than some of his competitors, despite those policy positions.

The idea is that being perceived as conservative is ipso facto negative because the majority of Americans do not identify as "conservative" - and the same is true of perceptions of liberalism. In this model, a relative progressive who is perceived as a relative centrist is the best candidate for leftists like us.

Also, how sad is it that the best the right-wing noise machine can come up with on Edwards is the size of his house? I mean, these are the people who mocked John Kerry's war injuries, who spread the rumor that Obama went to a madrasa, and all they've got on Edwards is that he's got extra guest bedrooms and a home theater? It's almost disappointing, in a perverse way.

"perhaps Petey has a recommendation"

Estes Kefauver!

I'd say the Dems current strategy (criticize but do not obstruct the President) is a winner, and there is every indication the electorate will learn the right lessons from the Iraq debacle (i.e.: never trust a neocon warmonger such as McCain).

My main worry is there will be another 9/11 before the 2008 elections ... if emotions are running high in the wake of another high profile attack, the "warfare party" might be able to fool voters again.

MARCU$

"Can anyone tell me why Lieberman hasn't entered the 2008 Presidential race? What possible argument against his candidacy could penetrate the miasma of entitlement and wounded self-righteousness that surrounds him and coats his every word and thought?
Posted by: Eric Scharf on February 5, 2007 01:01 PM"

Maybe he's waiting to share a ticket with McCain. The thing is that they'd both want to be President not VP, and there's no primary in which one would defeat the other. But if McCain wins the Republican primary, he could ask Lieberman to be his VP, to get "unprecedented bipartisanship" cred without actually adopting any opposing foreign policy views. If McCain loses the primary, they could run as Independents. McCain's sold his soul and whored away his reputation for 6 years to run for President as a Republican, I don't see him shrugging and giving up if he can't get the nomination.

"The main point is that as the public becomes more interested in international cooperation and less interested in military conflict, voters become more open to woman candidates and this is helpful to Hillary Clinton."

As a noted scholar of women's studies, Professor Beinart can't of course be accused here of regurgitating the lamest, most simplistic nonsense one tends to find in freshman papers from the genre. Obviously, women in politics tend to be like way more compassionate and stuff, and considerably less likely to wage war or even vote in favor of related resolutions. You'll note Margaret Thatcher's firm willingness not to make war on behalf of some piss-ant little island chain but instead dispatch several thousand righteous women to board an Argentine cruiser and bear their breasts for peace. Likewise, Mrs. Clinton leading that early 2003 march on Washington to stop a war on Iraq, free Mumia, and get peace (which obviously we can't have without justice).

"The main point is that as the public becomes more interested in international cooperation and less interested in military conflict, voters become more open to woman candidates...."

I'm not a TNR member so I didn't read the original Beinart column, but the exceprt and Matt's condensation above seem to reduce the question of Hilary's electability to whether the popular stereotype of "women as more 'talky' and therefore, more diplomatic than men" outweighs any merits (or lack thereof) that her stated position on foreign policy might have.

Isn't it about time that we moved the national debate past this kind of crap? I'd like to hope that in the survey Beinart alludes to, the "even split" was between the two percent who actually think gender is a deciding factor in foreign policy (with one percent each for "male" and "female") and disregarding the ninety-eight percent who answered, "no opinion-it would depend on the individual candidate."

Also, how sad is it that the best the right-wing noise machine can come up with on Edwards is the size of his house?

I'm sure "the right-wing noise machine" will come up with something better in the event they believe Edwards actually has a chance of winning. In the meantime, snarking at his house, while he goes on with the two Americas drivel, is fun!

Hi Linus--I guess we posted simultaneously, with the exact same pull-quote. Although great minds think alike, I think you put it far more eloquently than I did.

I'm sure "the right-wing noise machine" will come up with something better in the event they believe Edwards actually has a chance of winning. In the meantime, snarking at his house, while he goes on with the two Americas drivel, is fun!

'They' (ahem) have had a few years already to come up with something substantive. Meanwhile, knock yourself out with your anti-conservative, anti-Republican snark on Edwards. Whoopie.

Who wants to nominate a candidate who's going to be perceived as more liberal than she really is? Who benefits from that, exactly? Well, it's a good combination from the point of view of Al From, but I think from other points of view it's pretty clearly a raw deal.

This gets to the larger point, which is: who and where are the Hillary Clinton voters? While it's sometimes easy to overstate the "power of the netroots," I think the total lack of enthusiasm for HRC we see in the netroots is part of a larger problem for her. She's not exciting anyone. Unless this changes, her campaign will eventually collapse.

Here's a suggestion: every columnist/ writer about 2008 should disclose if they are advising, informally or formally, a candidate. I don't know if beinart is or not, although i suspect for reason that he might be. the same should go for anti-war dem writers and republicans. Thoughts?

"I'm sure "the right-wing noise machine" will come up with something better in the event they believe Edwards actually has a chance of winning."

They'll try going after 'ambulance chaser', and they'll get Valerie Lakey shoved right up their ass.

They'll try going after 'class warrior', and they'll get laughed right out of the political center.

They'll try going after 'Breck girl', and they'll get smiled off the stage.

John Edwards is nothing new, just another in a long line of progressives whose claim to exceptionalism is that they are Southern, but not like the other Southerners. If Edwards was from the Bronx, nobody would give him a second look.

And the more you guys beat up on the woman candidate for looking soft but really being a bitch, the more I think I will vote for her.

I think Beinart's commentary is stupid. It is akin the reactionaries' attempt to label anything except warfare as "feminized." Very retro, very historically wrong. Also why is this supposedly liberal pundit wasting time BS-ing around about how liberals can passively play to type as represented in "polling data"? I guess a discussion of actual policy and politicians' records and positions and reality-based analysis of whether their policies will work or not in the real world is somehow uncool, or maybe it would reflect some kind of "feminization'.

Interesting how pundits who write analyses that twenty years ago would be a joke even for a Hollywood gossip magazine, are obsessed with gender roles and stereotypes, etc. With all that is going on, you know, a war and all, I would think there are more important things to write about.

And the more you guys beat up on the woman candidate for looking soft but really being a bitch, the more I think I will vote for her.

What a terrible reason to vote for someone. I'm with manly commenter - this kind of 'clinton rules' stuff (the Continuing Saga) is just so weirdly remedial. It's journalism at its very cheapest - 'Princess Di' journalism. But I certainly am not going to vote for HRC in the primaries because of it. yow!

'They' (ahem)

Heh. But come now, the Republican "noise machine" wouldn't include a lowly anonymous blog commenter, would it?

And Petey, in case you didn't notice, the Republican noise machine has already moved on from Breck/mansion/trial-lawyer/etc. to Edwards' hiring of the bigot Amanda Marcotte...

jonnybutter: I am not particularly a Hillary Clinton fan, and doubt that I will vote for her in the primaries. But, revealing my inner uncoolness, I don't care at all politically about her sex, or relationship to Bill Clinton. What she might actually decide and do seems a bit relevant, but then I am a mere pleb, not a super-smart pundit. This kind of commentary by Beinart is getting very old and very tired. But, then I think that the standard issue political pundit lives in deathly fear of actually having to do any detectable work at all for a living, so we keep getting this kind of tripe printed up.

revealing my inner uncoolness, I don't care at all politically about her sex, or relationship to Bill Clinton.

I'm sensing total agreement here.

Who wants to nominate a candidate who's going to be perceived as more liberal than she really is? Who benefits from that, exactly?

As a card-carrying centrist, I would be happy with both parties nominating candidates that are perceived as more extreme than they actually are.

bob, I have a fair amount of sympathy for your 'not another goddamn southerner' complaint, but Edwards would, frankly, be something special even if he were from the Bronx. I've waited a lot time for someone to talk about class issues in the US the way he does.


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