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Snow Advice

16 Feb 2007 09:38 am

You don't seem to be able to buy salt to keep your sidewalks ice- and snow-free anywhere in Washington, DC these past couple of days since more prepared people snapped it all up. That, in turn, laid the groundwork for my discovery that many people don't seem to realize that ordinary table salt can perform the snow-melting function just fine. I assume the ice marketing specifically for snow-related purposes is chemically different in some respect from the table stuff, but not the relevant one.

Saltwater has a lower freezing point than does unmixed water. Indeed, the idea of the farenheit temperature scale is that zero degrees is supposed to be the freezing point of an equal mixture of salt and water (100 degrees is supposed to be human body temperature, but it got miscalculated) so the salt effect can be quite substantial if you have enough of it.

UPDATE: Yes, as they're saying in comments, rock salt is considerably cheaper. I'm just saying that if all the stores in your area run out of rock salt, and you want to melt some ice, table salt will work.

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Table salt = $1.29/lb
Rock salt = $.19/lb

A teaspoon and a snow shovel are, essentially, the same device; the difference is scale. Bigger salt crystals take longer to dissolve, are heavier, and thus do not wash away as easily. They put more "rubber on the road."

The two types of salt are chemically virtually identical, with the exception of nutrients added to table salt. The nutrients are available in trace amounts; many of these nutrients are (molecularly speaking) in the same ballpark as sodium-chloride.

Table salt: Far more costly, far less effective by weight.

Basically there are the same except for crystal size and cost. Kosher salt would work better than table salt due to larger crystals. Water softner salt could work too.

Fleur de Sel sea salt would work too.

Calcium or magnesium chloride work better than rock salt, but are more expensive. The calcium chloride I have also has this nasty habit of turning into a big solid rock you have to beat with a hammer before you can spread it.

So in the past several days you've eaten crappy pizza, sprinkled table salt on your sidewalk, and listened to boring indie (oops, sorry to repeat myself) music. Thanks for making me glad I'm not 20-something any more.

Indeed, the idea of the farenheit temperature scale is that zero degrees is supposed to be the freezing point of an equal mixture of salt and water (100 degrees is supposed to be human body temperature, but it got miscalculated)

I believe that 0 degrees was intended to be the freezing point of human blood. Which is why the Farenheit scale is nice for humans - 0-100 is about the reasonable range for human habitation.

There IS an environmental problem associated with using too much salt, though. It has to drain somewhere, and for much of the country, that's into a fresh water table. That's my many municipalities use more grit than salt these days. Grit doesn't melt directly, but it provides traction and albedo-lowering.

Yeah Jim, but that doesn't do much for walks. Of course if someone shoveled once in a while it you wouldn't need any deicer anyway.

But you have to use kosher salt, otherwise you're on the side of the terrorists.

Sand and grit may be helpful when dealing with snow, but an ice storm is a very different beast. Here in the Silver Spring area we got less than 2 inches of snow, but it's topped by a thick layer of ice. The ice partially melted and refroze on Wednesday, so the whole neighborhood looks like it was attacked by a squadron of Zamboni machines. An adult can walk on the ice without cracking it, and it's highly treacherous.

Our municipality had two choices: tons of rock salt, or a week's vacation for everyone. Sadly, they chose salt.

Was the human body temperature miscalculated? I thought the scale was adjusted so that there would be exactly 180 degrees between the freezing point and boiling point of water. 180 is a great number for fractions.--Jay C. Smith

>Was the human body temperature miscalculated? I thought the scale was adjusted so
>that there would be exactly 180 >degrees between the freezing point and boiling
>point of water. 180 is a great number for fractions.

Actually, my suspicion is that 98.6 degrees for body temperature comes from converting 37 degrees Celsius into Fahrenheit. Unfortunately, the accuracy of temperature measurements didn't get converted also, so the 98.6 figure is somewhat bogus.

100F was supposed to be the temperature of the human body - the guess is that Fahrenheit either measured someone with a fever, or used a cow (and you only think that I'm joking). You can get salt that has a greater freezing point depression (depends on the number of ions that the salt breaks into - table salt, NaCl forms two ions. CaCl2 forms three), but as mentioned earlier they're noticably more expensive.

There are a number of equally-goofy explanations of how Fahrenheit labeled his scale. When in doubt, wikipedia it.

Some of the formulations out there are a bit easier on plant life than calcium chloride, also.

Table salt = sodium chloride
road salt = calcium chloride

The difference is due to the fact that plants really don't like sodium and tolerate calcium much better. If you have grass around your walk or driveway, it's not going to appreciate you dumping sodium on them.

Not in Canada, Eric:

"It is estimated that approximately 4 750 000 tonnes of sodium chloride were used as road salts in the winter of 1997–98 and that 110 000 tonnes of calcium chloride are used on roadways in a typical year."

http://www.ec.gc.ca/substances/ese/eng/psap/final/roadsalts.cfm

Was the human body temperature miscalculated? I thought the scale was adjusted so that there would be exactly 180 degrees between the freezing point and boiling point of water. 180 is a great number for fractions.

Not to mention degrees (180+180=360, full circle). That's actually where the "degree" in temperature scales comes from. Even though Celsius and Kelvin don't have that 180/360 relationship.

Table salt also contains iodide which rock salt doesn't. Iodine in the diet prevents goiters and cretinism. Although it's more expense to use table salt, Matt can sleep soundly knowing he is less likely to trip on a driveway goiter or be attacked by a sidewalk cretin this winter.

I'm curious whether Matt needed help from his roommate on this post. Didn't one of you guys graduate from the Brooklyn High School of Basic Science? Matthew Y the Science Guy.

Let them eat cake!

But it better not be my friggin' cake. If I can't find my favorite Celtic sea salt on the store shelves after today because this squiblet has given the common throng the idea to spread the precious stuff on their sidewalks, I am coming after Yglesias with a vengeance!

You're counting the circle in 360 degrees because 360 is both a nice number to work with, and approximates a solar year. If you invent the math to make astronomy easier, it makes good sense to do it like that.

(Nicer than working with 365.2522 that is.)


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