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19 Mar 2007 11:23 am

K-Lo on Hugh Hewitt on Mitt Romney:

Hewitt opens the book with an odd quote though: "Mr. President," Dean Acheson says in a call to Harry Truman. "The North Koreans have invaded South Korea." Hewitt writes, "It is with evenings like that one of June 24, 1950, in mind that Americans ought to cast their primary and general election votes for presidents. When devastating surprises arrive, whether on Dec. 7, 1941, Sept. 11, 2001, or any such future day - and there will be many - our country's survival depends upon the man or woman in the Oval Office."

Now maybe it's a New York thing, but if I didn't know I was reading a Romney book by a Romney fan, I'd immediately have figured I was about to read about Rudy Giuliani.

I think this brilliantly sums up what's so wildly off-base about conservative thinking. Absolutely nothing in Giuliani's history suggests that he is any more skilled than a randomly chosen individual at plotting a military response to an armed attack on the United States of America. I understand, of course, why it is that as a matter of electoral politics an "image of toughness" matters more than actual experience or sound policy ideas. What's crazy about today's rightwingers, however, is that they've chosen not only to accept this slice of politico-media reality but actively embrace it. K-Lo isn't saying that she thinks others will think Giuliani is good on national security for irrational reasons. She's saying that she thinks this is true and as best I can tell every conservative pundit in the business thinks the same thing. All of them are actually incapable of discerning the difference between "acts like a jerk" and "would do a good job of organizing a military campaign."

In addition, we're seeing a slightly odd revaluation of values. It used to be that the characterological trait looked for in these situations was a kind of stoical poise -- someone who could think clearly in the midst of a crisis and issue calm, decisive orders. Giuliani is a bit temperamental and high-strung -- prone to lashing-out at radio show callers; his campaign staff doesn't even trust him to go eyeball-to-eyeball with the national press corps. He's a sentimentalist who stands by his corrupt friends, a glory hound who fires competent aides who get too popular (imagine FDR sacking Eisenhower in the middle of the war), prone to bouts of senseless cruelty (see, e.g., his treatment of Donna Hanover), public hand-wringing (see, e.g., his abortive 2000 Senate campaign), poor strategic judgment (endorsing Cuomo in '94), who looks to turn crises to personal advantage (see, e.g., his effort to suspend the rule of law and stay in office past the expiration of his term).

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It used to be that the characterological trait looked for in these situations was a kind of stoical poise...

GWB marks the end of a trajectory for the GOP, wherein they went from the Stern Father party to the Abusive Father party.

All of them are actually incapable of discerning the difference between "acts like a jerk" and "would do a good job of organizing a military campaign."

Despite your desire for "experience" in a candidate, it's not clear to me what experience you think would be sufficient to demonstrate that the candidate "would do a good job of organizing a military campaign" (or anything else, for that matter). People are looking for something like an instinct map of their candidates, and trusting that the right advisers can be found to implement whatever becomes policy in the face on unexpected facts. That doesn't seem terribly crazy to me.

It used to be that the characterological trait looked for in these situations was a kind of stoical poise -- someone who could think clearly in the midst of a crisis and issue calm, decisive orders.

To be fair, that was the image of Rudy during 9/11: calm and collected in the midst of unimaginable crisis. I completely agree that the rest of Rudy's tenure does not show the same traits.

Don't you think you might be overstating the case just a little bit?

So Rudy rose to the occasion after 9/11. That has nothing to do with the policies he would try to implement as President. I'd hope any President would be strong enough to act calmly and decisively in a *national emergency*. American foreign and domestic policy has little to do with emergency response, and everything to do with slow, painful, incremental successes and failures.

Isn't Kathryn Lopez the same person who recently called Sean Hannity a "good and reasonable man"? Fuck her already. Most of the Corner appears to ignore her; you should. too.

right is right on this. The same stoical poise is still valued, it's just that Rudy's pressers on 9/11 are swamping all of the contrary evidence from his career.

And your other point about one's ability to formulate long term strategies to prevent or respond to such events is more important than poise. So, maybe it would be useful if Giuliani actually presented some sort of foreign policy ideas. I'll be over here holding my breath.

But Mitt Romney saved the Olympics.

There were luge tracks to be built, cut-throat sponsors whose feelings had to be soothed, and millions of testy Mormans confused by the concept of curling and frustrated with traffic. Never once did Mitt's hair flinch.

The man has nerves of steel.

It's not so much a shift from stoic to high-strung as a shift from consistent to unpredictable. And unpredictability is seen as a good thing-- the will of the leader is the fundamental determining factor-- and the leader's demands will vary, thereby testing and proving the faith of the believers.

I reckon Bloomberg would be pretty good at remaining calm and delivering useful information during a civic crisis. Nobody, however, would mistake him for a military commander.

Following K-Lo's reasoning, why would anyone have pulled the lever for GWB in 2000? Moreover, why isn't she supporting Wes Clark or Bill Richardson now?

The attached link is an article from Sundays' Washington Post about Rudy. Not a very nice man.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/16/AR2007031602698.html?sub=AR

As Rudy himself said at the Republican National Convention: "As I watched the towers fall, I turned to my Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik (!) and said 'Bernie, thank God George Bush is the President of the United States.'" Yeah, that's the calm good judgment we need in these troubled times.

It's not so much a shift from stoic to high-strung as a shift from consistent to unpredictable.

I wonder if this is a holdover from the cold war--this Mutually Assured Destruction, zero-sum, victory-to-the-craziest mentality. It's like chicken is the only game anyone knows how to play anymore.

Absolutely nothing in Giuliani's history suggests that he is any more skilled than a randomly chosen individual at plotting a military response to an armed attack on the United States of America.

Nowhere in the K-Lo quote does she say anything about "plotting a military response."

It's warmongers like Matthew who seem to think that everything revolves around military responses. The problem with today's left-wingers like Matthew is that the only possible solution they see to crises is military, military, military. Matthew should try to open his mind a bit and consider that there are other important things to consider in the midst of a crisis than armed retaliation.

Matt, I'm curious to see if any conservative-type person would qualify as a decent candidate. Furthermore, using the "Yglesias Sieve", I don't think any democrat would qualify either:

* more skilled than a randomly chosen individual at plotting a military response to an armed attack on the United States of America
* an "image of toughness"
* someone who could think clearly in the midst of a crisis and issue calm, decisive orders
* NOT temperamental and high-strung
* DOES NOT stand by his corrupt friends
* IS NOT a glory hound who fires competent aides who get too popular
* NOT prone to bouts of senseless cruelty
* DOES NOT DO public hand-wringing
* DOES NOT HAVE poor strategic judgment
* DOES NOT look to turn crises to personal advantage

I mean, that would be an ideal leader, to some degree regardless of political ideology, no? Obama fails on the first, and is a cipher on several others. Hillary fails on several, Bill Clinton failed on nearly all of these, Edwards fails on several, etc.


And I suspect that your response will be something along the lines of "conservatives must have all of these characteristics in order to satisfy my high standards, but democrats don't need to have them all, because they're on my team and it's OK if they're not ideal."

And the same would be true on the conservative pundit side as well, with the sieve turned the opposite way. This is why both sides end up voting corrupt, incompetent hacks into high office.

Actually, wasn't endorsing Cuomo in '94 a good move ... for Giuliani? Doesn't it help him get elected mayor of a city that voted overwhelmingly (I assume) for Cuomo?

It's worse than Matthew thinks. What right-wingers really want isn't just for presidents to project "images of toughness," they want MOVIE images of toughness. Conservatives want presidents to respond to crises by yelling lines like "UNLEASH HELL" at the top of their lungs and they would love the reference to Gladiator in particular.

Conservatives like gestures, big gestures. Lines like "Make My day," "Tear Down This Wall," "Wanted: Dead or Alive," or "Axis of Evil" turn politicians and leaders into conservative heroes and icons. That's one reason why right-wing pundits like Giuliani. They can see him making the big iconic gesture in times of trouble.

As for actually waging a war--Iraq has proven that fighting the wars is not nearly as high on the right's priority list.

Ain't it true! Republicans are big on declaring war, or on declaring "Mission Accomplished", but when it comes to doing the stuff needed to win, they tell us that all depends on the Democrats. If the Democrats will 'stay the course' we'll win, if not, we'll lose.

All of them are actually incapable of discerning the difference between "acts like a jerk" and "would do a good job of organizing a military campaign."

Nice. Very nice.

Hey, you can understand where they're coming from. After seeing what 8 years of "Guy you'd want to have a beer and watch a ballgame with" has done to the nation, the thinking goes, we're more than ready for "World's Biggest Asshole."

No real conservative would ever vote for Rudy. He is an open-borders, war monger. Vote for Rudy for endless wars in the Middle East.


Already, 450 conservatives have signed the Conservative Exodus Project, promising not to vote for Rudy should he get the nomination

http://www.conservativeexodusproject.com/


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You people are making the mistake of confusing neocons and Real Conservatives (aka, paleoconservatives).


Paleoconservatives are

(1) against the illegal neocon war in Iraq

(2) against free trade

and

(3) opposed to the third-world invasion of the USA

http://www.conservativeexodusproject.com/


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Why not Ron Norick for President? He was the mayor of Oklahoma City when Tim McVeigh did his thing. Doesn't that make him as qualified as Giuliani?

Seriously, can our political culture get any more asinine/inane than it is now?

Rudy "Amnesty" Giuliani should be tried for treason for his aiding of illegals in sanctuary - not running for president


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