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The Perils of Aggregates

10 Apr 2007 07:14 pm

Via Ann Friedman, Anita Hamilton in Time seeks to debunk guilt-based financial advice for women that, in Ann's words, "tut-tuts women for blowing their retirement savings on a beauty binge at Sephora." The debunking:

Women do spend $1,069--$246 more than men do--on clothing every year, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics 2004-2005 Consumer Expenditure Survey. But that's chump change compared with what single men spend on car ownership ($846 more than single women), eating out ($752 more), alcoholic drinks ($280 more) and audiovisual gear ($143 more). Cutting back on needless spending isn't a bad idea for anyone, but "renegotiating your credit-card balances or getting a lower cost on your IRA probably saves you a lot more money," says Christian Weller, an economist at the Center for American Progress. "That's much more prudent advice to women than saying 'Don't go buying all those Prada shoes.'"

Fair enough, but I think efforts to analyze this question with those kind of statistics run a bit aground once we put the small matter of class into the picture. One factor holding down single women's expenditures on booze and car ownership is that many, many more single women than single men are primary caregivers for their children. Yet, while single motherhood is a fairly widespread phenomenon in America it's pretty rare among the sort of high-SES women to whom I assume these books are addressed. To really tease out whether or not it's true that the sort of women the advice is addressed to spend more money "frivolously" than do men who are similarly situated would be a difficult statistical task and would, among other things, require a fairly rigorous definition of what sort of women it is we're talking about.

Be all that as it may, the correct thing to look at isn't absolute dollar expenditures, but savings as a proportion of income. That, at least, could tell you whether or not it's actually true that men are more frugal than women. I really think someone should do that study, since whichever way it turns out it can easily be spun into the sort of gender-norm re-enforcing narrative the media craves. For example, women save more than men because they're more cautious, having evolved to keep children safe while men have evolved to embrace risk and kill large animals. Alternatively, women spend more because they're more frivolous, having evolved to maximize resource-investment when young on attracting a mate who is expected to provide for them down the road.

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"One factor holding down single women's expenditures on booze" is all those men offering to buy them drinks.

"One factor holding down single women's expenditures on booze" is all those men offering to buy them drinks."

I thought the one important factor was Al Sharpton holding the white man down.

Alternatively, women spend more because they're more frivolous, having evolved to maximize resource-investment when young on attracting a mate who is expected to provide for them down the road.

Ugh, Matt you're a pretty smart guy, I hope you don't buy into this deterministic evolutionary-psychology bullshit. Ironically you've basically illustrated the main problem with such thinking, you can use it to justify just about any observed fact.

Ironically you've basically illustrated the main problem with such thinking, you can use it to justify just about any observed fact

No, Chad, I illustrated the main problem with it through the use of irony. Different thing.

Few of the proto-humans roaming the veldt developed a sarcasm detection module.

"One factor holding down single women's expenditures on... car ownership" is that women expect men to take them home after they're all good and boozed up!

LOL.

And, as you defend mens' higher booze spending as smart investments for a mate, I will likewise defend women's spending on clothes.

It's more expensive for women to buy good clothes than men. Equivalent women's clothes are generally priced higher, and women need more of them because they're expected to vary clothes more often. Especially the godamned shoes.

It's also more expensive to care for them--women's clothes tend to have more pleats and features than men's do. And, frankly, even if they don't, a lot of dry cleaners still charge women as though they do. Add to that the fact that women's trends change MUCH faster than men's do, and women's clothes are far more seasonal than men's (there's more difference between the colors in women's spring and fall fashions than in men's, for example), and it's unsurprising that women spend more money to attain from clothing the same social status that men do.

Especially on the goddamned shoes. And then we go out and spill free booze on them, so we're still out a fortune!

Matt, how can you link to something like feministing but not the greatest blog ever known, now sort of back in business? It seems to me that forgoing the Pradas is a legitimate aspect of "cutting back on needless shopping," an economic activity that can be done AT THE SAME TIME as "renegotiating your credit-card balances or getting a lower cost on your IRA."
It would seem that feministing is too busy complaining about the objectiphallocentric-pair-o'-dime-matic-Otheriffic-metaphysicotheologicocosmolonigologico-pineappleupsidedowncakeism of suggesting thrift to women (not that thrift should not also be suggested to men) as opposed to "You go girl! Try to pay off your credit card debt with another credit card!"

You know what's awesome about Matt's blog? Within the first 5 comments, the following things happened:

1. Steve Sailer showed up and made some random, vaguely prejudiced comment that may have been intended as a joke.

2. A reader utterly failed to detect Matt's use of irony.

(Feel free to save and copy this comment for use on future threads.)

Some good advice to single women is to learn to distinguish between expenditures on looks that help catch a husband and those that don't. Spending money to snag a good husband can have a huge return on investment, but not all spending on fashion and beauty has equal payoffs.

Women spend a lot of money in attractiveness arms races against other women in areas that men pay little attention to. For example, spending a lot of time and money on your nails doesn't have much payoff in attracting a good man. Nails are the kind of thing that other women pay attention to, but most men don't.

Similarly, while buying high heels is a good idea because they make women look more cuvaceous, buying and lots of lots of shoes is a waste. Men don't really care whether you have the latest fashion in shoes and whether they perfectly match your dress ... well, some men care, but they are generally not the kind of man who will be the father of your children.

Matt, most of your readers catch the irony. Not that you would, but don't dumb down the blog just because one of your readers doesn't catch it.

Matt, most of your readers catch the irony. Not that you would, but don't dumb down the blog just because one of your readers doesn't catch it.

Seconded.

I would find it really interesting to see a gendered comparison of spending specifically as it applies to seeking a partner or mate. How much do men tend to spend when they shell out for dates, which is still the cultural norm, and what they spend on other items that are not specifically related to attracting the opposite sex but that men know contribute like choices in cars, clothes and gym memberships. Compare and contrast that with how much and in what manner women spend money filling the reciprocal end of that social equation, clothes, makeup, gym, etc. Are the norms where we assume they are? What are the anomalies? How are these perceptions and assumptions changing?

It would also be interesting to see a comparison of how one's self-perception of their income affects their romantic relations. Men are certainly aware of how their perceived wealth affects their chances with the opposite sex. I can't speak for women.

How of that man-wastes-money amount is 1/2 FOR women? Aside from you've-come-a-long-way-baby, there is still reality to contend with.

"It's more expensive for women to buy good clothes than men. Equivalent women's clothes are generally priced higher, and women need more of them because they're expected to vary clothes more often."

Anonymous has a point, but it is really even worse than that. My wife and I had this discussion just this weekend, while we were driving home from Easter mass. For any formal occasion, men can get away with wearing the same thing - a dark suit fits in equally well at a wedding, at a funeral, at church services or in a more formal work environment. I know many guys who own a few dark suits for formal occasions and that's the extent of their "formal" wardrobe. Switch out the tie and people might not even notice that you're wearing the same suit at Cindy's wedding that you wore at Uncle Carl's funeral last month. And even if they do notice, no one would think it was odd.

Expectations for women are different - a woman can't show up wearing the same dress for Easter that she did at Christmas, if only because the style at Christmas is too warm for Easter (well, maybe not this year, but most years). She can't wear the same dress to a funeral that she'd wear to a wedding, and neither of those dresses would be appropriate to wear to work (where a dress or pantsuit would be more appropriate than funeral dress).

So of course women spend more on clothes than men -- even if they don't particularly like having a closet full of clothes. I'm actually surprised that it is only $246 on average too, given the price differences I've seen between women's and men's clothing.

I think most men think women spend money frivolously even if it is not true. I have a friend that is always complaining that his wife is wasting money. He does not pay the mortgage, he does not buy clothes for himself, he does not go grocery shopping but does not know where the money goes. It cracks me up.

I hadn't realised that the definition of irony includes feigned ignorance. "socratic irony" as wikipedia calls it. Learn something new every day I suppose.

>>Ironically you've basically illustrated the main problem with such thinking, you can use it to justify just about any observed fact

>No, Chad, I illustrated the main problem with it through the use of irony. Different thing.

Women generally need more irony than men do.

Given that on-line pornography is a multi-billion dollar industry, I would be curious about the breakdown of expenditures. Of course, it can be viewed as a sound investment, you now, avoiding all that "shelling for the dates".

About the effect (or lack of it) of nice nails, newest shoes etc. One thing about attracting men is than men are not always the best experts on what is it that they find attractive. Imagine post-catch interviews with fish. Fishing people know assorted minutiae about the bait, and I am sure that the fish are not aware of even 1/10 of them, and yet --- they make a difference.

I hadn't realised that the definition of irony includes feigned ignorance. "socratic irony" as wikipedia calls it. Learn something new every day I suppose.

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