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Edwards, Shrum, and the War

31 May 2007 05:45 pm

Chris Bowers reads Bob Shrum's account of John Edwards' decision to vote for the war (as Shrum tells it, Edwards was dubious, his wife was very opposed, but Shrum and other advisers convinced him it was politically necessary) and concludes:

I don't actually find this passage to be a particularly damning characterization of his political instincts or lack of leadership. Rather, I think is shows how his decision to originally support the war in Iraq probably served as a useful object lesson for a politician still trying to find his comfort zone. In 2002-2003, against his own instincts, against the advice of his wife, and against what he had seen as a member of the Intelligence Committee, Edwards listened instead to the contorted rationalizations of the Democratic establishment. Unsurprisingly, that establishment was also entirely wrong about the Iraq war, which has indeed become one of the biggest mistakes this country has made in decades. It is difficult to imagine a better way to learn to trust yourself then the catastrophic results of not trusting yourself on Iraq. Considering the many ways that Edwards has since bucked that same establishment--not firing McEwan and Marcotte, being the first to refuse a Fox New debate, publicly apologizing for his vote on Iraq, developing a populist, anti-corporate message--my belief is that Edwards learned from his past misplacement of trust in the Democratic establishment and the DLC, and has decided instead to trust his own, far more progressive instincts. For a politician who has been in the game for less than a decade, such a transformation seems entirely believable.

That's why when I read the book, I didn't think Shrum was trying to make Edwards look bad. Chris' story (similar to the one Ezra Klein told) is of a man with longstanding progressive instincts, who ran for Senate in North Carolina and fell in with some conventional wisdom about the need to position himself as a centrist to win the White House. This young Senator then failed in his quest to become Vice President, recognized that the war was a giant fiasco, and determined to spend his next years saying what he believed and hoping for the best.

This seems like a reasonably plausible, reasonably appealing story. Interestingly, though, it's not the story the Edwards campaign tells. They say Shrum has this wrong, that Edwards acted out of conviction, and Edwards keeps hinting (most recently in the Q&A session after his national security speech in New York) that there was something shown to members of the Intelligence Committee that persuaded him. Not being an Intel Committee member myself I can't say for sure, but my strong suspicion is that this is false -- Sens. Graham, Durbin, and Levin, at a minimum, have always suggested that the Intel Committee was privy to information that undermined the case for war.

I'm not totally sure what to make of all that, but I guess it's worth noting. Shrum's story seems plausible to me, and arguably more favorable to Edwards than does Edwards' own account.

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If I remember your book review correctly, you said that Shrum didn't think this story was bad for Edwards but, in fact, it actually is bad for Edwards--because it paints him as a weak naive unprincipled fool who makes shameless political calculations about going to war, the most important issue a senator can make decisions about.

Anyways. So are you retracting/changing your previous comments about this issue? The Chris Bowers counternarrative admittedly puts a pretty decent spin on things, but the Shrum story--if true--is really closer to the version of events that I stated above.

I don't really think the Shrum story is true though.

I think the Shrum story is true . It is also consistent with Edwards' admission that he did not read the NIE (which Graham said convinced him to oppose the AUMF). If Edwards was basing his ultimate decision on political calculation, then the NIE was irrelevant.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/edwards-speaks-then-recants-on-iraq-report/

Former Senator John Edwards, a Democratic presidential candidate, told an interviewer on Wednesday that he had read the classified October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate before voting to authorize force in Iraq, even though he had previously maintained that he had not read the report and had only been briefed on it.

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A spokesman for Mr. Edwards, Mark Kornblau, offered this explanation by e-mail this afternoon: “He simply misunderstood the question. As Senator Edwards has said many times before, he read the declassified version of the NIE, as well as other intelligence documents which were ultimately summarized in the classified version of the NIE.”

Mr. Edwards and his aides have indeed often said that he did not read the classified version of the estimate before voting for force in Iraq; other presidential candidates, including Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Christopher Dodd, also did not read it before voting to authorize military action, and were only briefed by aides or administration officials on the estimate, their advisers say.

"That's why when I read the book, I didn't think Shrum was trying to make Edwards look bad."

While I'm certainly sympathetic to the sympathetic reading for Edwards that you and Bowers have of Shrum's account, I do think it's close to indisputable that Shrum's account is intended to hurt Edwards.

The question is, I guess, whether Edwards' failure in judgment can be written off as a "youthful indiscretion" when, yes, he was a relative newcomer to public office at the time, but a newcomer who held the job of United States Senator. I'm not sure it's unfair to presume that one comes to that job with a certain modicum of confidence in one's own judgment.

It doesn't seem particularly odd that Edwards would disavow the Shrum/Bowers narrative, even if true. It's a storyline that reasonably sophisticated observers can understand and find sympathetic, but it doesn't play well to a broad audience.

This is the same reason that Mitt has to find elaborate reasons for his conversion to hardline pro-lifer. He can't simply say, "I've been pro-life all along, but I couldn't very well get elected as the governor of Massachusetts that way, could I?" That just won't fly.

Note that I'm not trying to compare the substantive merits or credibility of Edwards' flips to Mitt's flops. I'm just saying that "expediency made me do it" is not something you'll ever hear a politician say, even though every halfway sensible person knows it's true 90% of the time.

You know, coming from the MyDD/Daily Kos scene, it's not exactly a surprise to see someone putting a positive spin on Edwards' vote. These guys make a living on bashing Obama, ignoring Hillary (I do not object to that much), and fawning over Edwards -- and why not? What Bowers describes as Edwards' hard-knocks education with regard to the DLC and party establishment is rather a succinct account of the near continuous pandering to and courting of the netroots demographic.

And again, why not? Given Edwards' complete lack of impact on the 2004 ticket, a change of strategy, particularly geared toward making it out of the primary is his only option. After all, he failed to deliver a single Southern state -- something that ought to be mandatory for any Southerner with presidential ambitions. After all, if we're supposed to listen to that damned drawl for another 4-8 years, we should demand a substantive political advantage out of the deal.

Shrum, Dumber and Too Clever by Half (that's you).

I don't see how you reconcile "Shrum's story seems plausible to me, and arguably more favorable to Edwards than does Edwards' own account." -Matthew Yglesias

and

"Shrum ... prevailed upon Kerry and Edwards to opportunistically endorse a war they knew was wrong. Most astoundingly, he clearly regards this claim as something that will be helpful to the politicians in question, a misjudgment" -Matthew Yglesias

I think the Matthew Yglesias of Shrum and dumber is right. To be wrong is OK. To be cynical and opportunistic about war and peace is political poison. I'm sure Shrum is telling the truth and I 'm sure that Edwards is politically wise to lie about the reason for his vote. To put it mildly,
I don't really have a problem with his lying. I don't want to help nominate a candidate who is too honest to win (I remember the McGovern campaign and have a vague memory of the election of '64).
Fortunately no such candidates are running.

It seems to me that Edwards has always done what he thinks is necessary to win the nomination. In '04, it was running as a centrist. In '08, it's running as a liberal. The only constant is political expediency.

"I'm sure Shrum is telling the truth"

I'm sure Shrum is telling a vague version of the truth that is finely spun to achieve whatever score-settling agendas are his goal.

To think of it another way, while I haven't read the book, I'm reasonably certain that there will be a paucity of passages intended to show John Kerry in a bad light. That's not Shrum's agenda at the moment.

I'd say you're safe in assuming that the meeting Shrum described took place, and that the topics Shrum names were the ones discussed. But I wouldn't trust his characterizations of exactly what took place.

Where's the contradiction? He likes Shrum's story better, but it's not exactly helpful to a candidate for somebody to be (effectively) calling him a liar, so having a better version of the existing story in the air isn't helpful.

Thanks for looking it up, Robert Waldmann. Clearly Yglesias has evolved his position on this issue.

I agree with Petey that Shrum is not to be trusted.

First, I'd like to ask something. If this reveals ignorance about something very basic, then forgive me, but I feel like I need to ask it. I've heard that past presidents can receive C.I.A. briefings if they choose to do so. Bill Clinton is an past president, while his wife is in the Senate, voting on matters relating to national security at the time. Assuming that he gets the same information that Bush would be getting, and assuming that some of this information would be passed along in a private husband-and-wife context, what can we make of Sen. Clinton's vote? It's something I've wondered for a while and possibility brought up before, but also wondered why nobody else brought this up. Chances are, like I said above, I'm missing something obvious, so if I am, please point it out.

Now, as for Edwards, he has apologized for his vote, but he certainly didn't say he was influenced by his advisers. Of course, if he was, is there an upside to admitting he's done so? One of the biggest and most valid criticisms against the Bush administration is that no decision is made without considering the political ramifications, so in an effort to distance himself from such behavior and to appear genuine, couldn't he help himself?

Have you people ever looked at the Vietnam authorization vote after Tonkin? 416 yeas, 0 nays.


This obsession with senatorial votes on defense issues is ridiculous.

They don't matter. No president who wanted to start a war was ever denied by Congress.


Right. So, to sum up, you find democratic party operative Chris Bowers' spin on democratic party elite Shrum's spin on democratic party elite Edward's vote to kill hundreds of thousands of people...plausible.

Oh, well, that makes everything all right, then.

It's understandable why Bowers suddenly goes all wobbly-kneed to be sympathetic, since Edwards has been licking his you-know-what for Netroots.

But Bowers's account is pathetic. To suggest that Edwards is "bucking" the establishment is pure wishful thinking. The list Bowers provides is a laughable line of purely symbolic postures done precisely to jerk off the likes of Bowers.

Edwards (not Obama) is the Howard Dean of 2007, only worse, because this guy has been running for president going on four years now.

"Edwards (not Obama) is the Howard Dean of 2007"

No doubt.

Edwards in 2007 is the Howard Dean, Dick Gephardt, and John Edwards of 2004 all rolled into one.

That's why he's going to actually take down Hillary seven months from now.

But hey, Elbert Dunn, if you're not a fan of Movement Progressives, I perfectly understand why you're not going to be happy with next year's nomination process.

Petey: Thanks for your comments. The comparison to Dean was awkwardly put -- it's an insult to Dean, actually. My point here is, let's be honest about these men. Bowers pulled punches with Edwards, and that's obvious.

That Edwards voted the way he did in 2002 is perhaps understandable. That he spent time chatting with Shrum rather than reading the full NIE is not. That's my point, and this is what makes me uncomfortable about Edwards.

He's found his voice in the bleachers, not when he was at the plate. His sharp left turn is his only chance: Otherwise, he's an also-ran. So how much of it is real? How much of it, when he's surrounded by guys like Shrum again, gets dropped for political reasons? Asking the question makes me uncomfortable about him. (To his credit, he's succeeding at what he's doing, and he's a strong voice in the primary. But again, most of this is symbolic.)

Maybe he's the real deal, which would be great. But he panders a lot, and the symbolic noise is often grating.

Bowers chooses to see the Shrum-resolution vote matter as an unfortunate but ultimately positive learning experience, as if Edwards was once a boy but now he's a man. That just isn't convincing. It's wishy-washy.

I sincerely hope someone takes down Hillary, and if it's Edwards, that's okay by me. But if Edwards is Dean, Gephardt, and Edwards circa '04 all in one, and you think that's good enough, then you too are kidding yourself. Not one of them could beat Kerry, and that's saying something.

Elbert


Shrum may well believe his version of events and still be wrong. It would hardly be a surprise if a DC political advisor overestimated his own influence with a candidate. There is little reason to doubt that Shrum gave the advice he claims, if doesn't follow, however, that Edwards acted as he did because of Shrum's advice.

Shrum's ego, however, would necessitate an assumption by him that his expensive advice must have been decisive.

It doesn't seem particularly odd that Edwards would disavow the Shrum/Bowers narrative, even if true...it doesn't play well to a broad audience.

Right. Why is this so hard to understand? (A rhetorical question).

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