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How Dare They?!?!?

14 May 2007 02:52 pm

Tom Grubisich's tirade against internet pseudonymity strikes me as primarily just another example of Delicate Flower Syndrome. If Grubisich had cared to do any "fact-checking," "research," "reporting" or any of the other things good journalists are known for he would have recalled, as did Julian Sanchez, that there's a very long and distinguished trend of pseudonymous political commentary in this country and around the world that has nothing in particular to do with the internet. Instead, we just get this:

In any community in America, if Mr. anticrat424 refused to identify himself, he would be ignored and frozen out of the civic problem-solving process. But on the Internet, Mr. anticrat424 is continually elevated to the podium, where he can have his angriest thoughts amplified through cyberspace as often as he wishes. He can call people the vilest names and that hate-mongering, too, will be amplified for all the world to see.

This, too, is wrong. On the internet, everyone gets a chance to speak, but there's no guarantee you'll be listened to. If people are "amplifying" anticrat424's thoughts by linking to them, quoting him, etc., that's going to be either because he's saying things that people think make sense. People might quote anticrat424 for the purpose of refuting him but that, again, presupposes that some people are taking him seriously. And, of course, over time your handle gets a reputation -- good, bad, or mixed -- just like a name in real life.

Personally, I'm a curious person and do tend to prefer to know as much as possible about the people I read. Even here, though, knowing the name (as opposed to, say, something about the writer's job and general situation in life) isn't necessarily all that enlightening. What's really bothering Grubisich, though, isn't the lack of names but rather the fact that people are being mean to Grubisich and to people Grubisich likes. He thinks, correctly, that if everyone had to use their own name a lot of people might be afraid to speak their minds. Once again, I'm left to wonder why so many journalists think that if they could make the mean comments go away this would somehow make the bad thoughts disappear as well. I don't like the iidea of people hating my work, but insofar as people think I'm wrong about stuff I'd just as soon know what think I'm wrong about.

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"I don't like the iidea of people hating my work"

I like your work, just not your typos.

Anyway, to the point, I get the feeling that if someone wrote the Federalist Papers today as Publius424 Grubisich would dismiss them out of hand as well.

"Personally, I'm a curious person and do tend to prefer to know as much as possible about the people I read."

Petey was born a young petey in Peteyville.

Clowns like Krauthammer, Novak, and Broder deserve to ba trashed. If they can't stand the heat, they should get out of the kitchen.

1) Does anyone recall the "Committees of Correspondence" here in the US prior to the American Revolution?

2) Even today, we have "Freedom of Speech" only within boundaries defined by the federal government. And even those boundaries only say that the federal government can not prosecute you as a criminal.

Speech, however, is not protected against private economic retaliation --i.e., if you annoy some faction, you can be bankrupted via nuisance lawsuits or have your boss lobbied to fire you as part of some backroom corporate logrolling.

3) Whistleblowers both within and outside the government are frequently sodomized -- so much so that the news media often thinks it's so commonplace as not to be worthy of comment.

4) The real problem with the Internet is that false --often intentionally false --garbage drowns out any real debate in white noise. But the same is true of television, talk radio,etc.

More:

In his brilliant 1990 study The Letters of the Republic: Publication and the Public Sphere in Eighteenth-Century America, literary scholar Michael Warner argues that this is precisely why so many Founding Fathers insisted that public debates be carried out by pseudonym. "Publius," he points out--the pen name under which the newspaper arguments for ratifying the Constitution collected as The Federalist Papers were published--"speaks in the utmost generality of print, denying in his very existence the mediating of particular persons." In other words, it wasn't supposed to matter that the author was the distinguished gentleman Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, or James Madison. You were just supposed to judge according to the words on the page... Or on the screen...

[snip]

At first, in the eighteenth century, when an anonymous writer launched charges against "gentlemen"--quite often in the rudest language imaginable--it was a scandal "in a social order of deference," Warner writes in Letters of the Republic. But, by striking down deference, pseudonyms forced arguments to be stronger; Warner even argues that the anonymous culture of print is what made republican consciousness possible.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070205&s=perlstein020707

Whistleblowers both within and outside the government are frequently sodomized

Why do you think being sodomized is a bad thing?

Yep, we never should have listened to "Mr. X" back in 1947. Fortunately, this anonymous freak was later outed as non other than dirty-fucking-hippie, George F. Kennan. Pseudonymous asshole!

I'm hoping all this notoriety will get me laid.

Can we get more typo commentary? I think this is a tremendous service. Maybe a second blog devoted to people mentioning typos they saw on this site.

Re letting you know when you are wrong... Happy to help, Matthew! J/k

One would think that Grubish could find a better example to complain about. "Get rid of the bureaucrats". So mean!

I disagree, Matt. Annonymity decreases the need for inhibition and allows unfiltered thoughts to pass.

It's best exemplified by the drunk. When he's sober, he may suspect his girlfriend is cheating on him. But he knows better because he can account for her whereabouts and realizes it's his own insecurity (say for this case that she is not cheating on him).

On the other hand, when he's drunk, the filter goes off in his mind and he blurts out at her that "she's a slut and cheating on him" while at a crowded party; without realizing the mistake he's made or the even more valid counterarguments.

It seems that each of us has both postive and negative opinions about any subject. Our mind filters these and outputs a final decision based on the strengths of the countered thoughts.

I fear that the anonymous on-line blogger may act like the drunk - instinctively shouting out thoughts without processing the merits or the counter points.

(and as a MSM personality, it would probably piss me off to get a deluge of unfiltered thoughts)

Funny... I take something different away from that example. I think it's actually a good thing for the drunk to put his paranoid suspicions out in the open. In vino veritas. That way, his girlfriend can either deal with the issue, or DTMFA. Filtering his thoughts doesn't do anyone any good.

Similarly, I'm kind of glad to know what the freepers really think.

Let's name this as what it is. Grubisich is a hack comedian whose only defense is "how would you like it if I came to your job at heckled you all day?"

Hi. My name is LaFollette and I'm a Progressive. Is this the Blogoholics Anonymous meeting?

Fuck you, Matt.

Meh, I say. You're probably right about the Delicate Flower Syndrome, but there's something to be said for the Penny Arcade Equation also.

The problem most journalist have --- hold on, I've got to hitch up my suspenders and put my onion on my belt --- is that back in the days of print, the only way you knew what people out there in the vast blackness thought about your stuff was a) what they said to your face and b) what the people who wrote into the editor said. Now, catagory a) ends up being pretty much 100% "I really like your stuff!" because very few people like insulting random strangers to thier face, and even if they wanted to they don't know what journalists look like.

Catgory b) is mostly nutbars and people mentioned by name in the column.

You will think I exaggerate, but I don't. It's a consequence of technology. In the olden days, writing an angry letter to the edior involved 1) Searching your house for a stamp and an envelope, 2) stitting down for 10 minutes to write one's screed --- (2a) flapping through broadsheet pages the while, in order to select quotes to make cutting remarks about--- 3) then signing your name to it, and 4) big one, this --- actually remembering to post the damn thing. Most normal people have decided that they don't really care that much half-way through step one. Hell, if I had to do all that to communicate this little snarkicism, I certainly wouldn't have bothered. All I'd have done is maybe mentioned this post to a friend or acquaintaice who reads this blog and told them this little rant, and felt exactly as satisfied as I do now. That's what normal people did when something in the paper pissed them off, back then.

So --- didn't think I had a point, did you -- most journalists came of age in an era when people who commented on your stuff were, by and large, either cranks or personally insulted by it. They learned to dismiss such comments. And now they're being told that they have to pay attention, that stuff that walks like a crank and talks like a crank is actually their boss. They haven't yet groked that the ease of this little comment box means that the people having their say are actually a fairly good if unscientific sample of the normal range of opinion of the people reading thier articles.

As I said elsewhere, Americans have been using pseudonyms since John Paul Jones sailed the Bonhomme Richard into battle. The likes of Grubisich should learn to deal with it, or find another line of work.

Adi,

I would be more comfortable about your filter if you included your full name and email address in your post.

Re rea

Actually, John Paul Jones (nee John Paul) changed his name long before taking command of the Bon Homme Richard. As I recall, he was wanted by the British Government for killing a man in a duel and escaped to America, taking Jones as his last name.

I think there's a distinction to be drawn between time intensive, formal pieces that are published under pseudonymns and random, informal blog comments. The former is where the benefits of anonymity -- freedom from gov or social sanction, freedom from the distraction the author's identity brings to the merits of the piece -- are greatest and the costs (removal of social sanction as a filter) are lowest. The costs are lowest because the work involved in writing such a piece is a natural barrier to entry that filters out most of the cranks, trolls and all around assholes. Blog comments have the opposite dynamic. The benefits of anonymity are modest while the costs are pretty high in terms of the number of trolls and assholes that are invited by the absence of any social sanction.

So if I had a serious blog, I would require commenters to ID themselves, but I would invite people to post more substantial blog posts and articles anonymously.

"Actually, John Paul Jones (nee John Paul) changed his name long before taking command of the Bon Homme Richard..."

That's almost right. He was actually born John Baldwin and changed his name before commenting on American blues as bass player of Led Zeppelin. (His contemporary Englebert Humperdinck also preferred to comment pseudonymously on Tom Jones.)

This sort of thing seems to have happened a lot in the 60s, possibly because people were doing a lot of drugs back then.

Blog comments have the opposite dynamic. The benefits of anonymity are modest while the costs are pretty high in terms of the number of trolls and assholes that are invited by the absence of any social sanction.

And how is that not addressed through decent moderation, self-policing and consistent pseudonymity?

Shorter Penny Arcade: "People are broken."

And they're right. The wheat to chaff ratio can get pretty craptacular when even a small portion of the public realizes that they can digitally yell pigfucker at the top of their lungs without getting the beatdown that they so richly deserve.

And how is that not addressed through decent moderation, self-policing and consistent pseudonymity?

It certainly can be addressed through moderation. But that means the blogger has to waste time doing it and is put in the uncomfortable position of censor, he/she gets grief from people for being too lax/strict, etc. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

I don't understand your point about consistent pseudonymity.


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