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Kagan's Obama

04 May 2007 03:38 pm

I'd heard frightening rumors that Robert Kagan had written a column praising Barack Obama that should send shivers down my spine. Mostly, I found Kagan to be accurate but unthreatening. It's true that Obama is not proposing to dismantle the American national security apparatus, and that some (though not me) will be disappointed by this. On one key issue, though, Kagan really does ascribe to Obama a view I find objectionable:

Obama never once says that military force should be used only as a last resort. Rather, he insists that "no president should ever hesitate to use force -- unilaterally if necessary," not only "to protect ourselves . . . when we are attacked," but also to protect "our vital interests" when they are "imminently threatened." That's known as preemptive military action.

Perhaps using unilateral force to protect imminently threatened vital interests is known as "preemptive military action." The Bush administration, meanwhile, with the support of people like Robert Kagan, has put forward a doctine of unilateral preventive military action to counter non-imminent threats. Then they decided to call this doctrine "preemption." Thus, through sleight-of-hand Obama comes to agree with Bush. In the real world, though, as Martin Peretz correctly notes Obama's views seem closer to Al Gore's than to Bush's or Kagan's -- supportive of a very robust American military capability, willing to use that capacity in a variety of circumstances, but not interested in making unilateral military strikes (or threats of strikes) the centerpiece of America's non-proliferation efforts. At least that would be my guess.

Admittedly, we're all conjecturing based on rather limited textual evidence. But it seems significant that in the case of Iraq, Gore and Obama came down on one side of the issue, while Kagan and Bush came down on another. Neither Gore nor Obama are "doves" in the sense of wanting to curtaul US military capabilities, but unless their views different in some important ways from the Bush/Kagan view it's hard to see why they would reach different conclusions about a significant concrete issue.

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Covered very nicely by Hilzoy here.

I wonder if Obama's frontrunner-ward momentum is going to his head, and he's now looking past the Primary horizon and prepping for the General (much to the chagrin of Gravel and Kucinich)

Wait until you read Larissa MacFarquhar's view in the New Yorker.

"I'd heard frightening rumors that Robert Kagan had written a column praising Barack Obama that should send shivers down my spine."

Hmmm...

So Matthew is sympathetic to Robert Kagan's favorite Presidential candidate, and just wrote a piece for Marty Peretz's TNR.

I call double super secret Likudnik-ism on Matthew. The Lindbergh worship is obviously just a convenient cover story.

Obama's strategy seems obvious to me. He already has impeccable anti-Iraq War credibility. But I've heard lots of speculation that maybe he's too much the nice guy to be Commander in Chief. So he's trying to broaden his appeal with the most muscular foreign policy he can pronounce with a straight face.

The question in my mind is not whether Obama is too pacifist or too militarist. I want to hear how he plans to work successfully with Pentagon generals who don't like to cooperate with Democratic presidents.

It's true that Obama is not proposing to dismantle the American national security apparatus, and that some (though not me) will be disappointed by this.

Although it is not true that this sentence is complete incomprehensible, without spending a not inconsiderable period of time decoding it, the casual reader (though not me) is not likely to be terribly demystified by it.

so cruel treetop.

p.s. completely incomprehensible*

I didn't take Kagan as a serious comment on Obama or other candidates. Think of it more as another plea from a discredited hawk. See, honest, whatever you may think, the world still backs us. Maybe if we ignore them, they'll just seem as pathetic as they are.

With everything he has said in the past, his record and what we know about the man, does anyone honestly believe Obama is for anything more than the traditional role of diplomacy, war only as a last resort like we are attacked? that he is for unilateral? of course not. He wants us doing UN peacekeeping and stop this neocon nonsense. anyone thinking Obama is for hawkish or neocon agendas and continuing in the Bush view of foriegn policy is a fool.

Kagan once said that Jews will never be safe until there is a complete "browning of America." This is why many of the neocons treasonously support the Third World invasion of the U.S.

Of course Barack "Crackhead" Obama is an interventionist. He wants "pop off some caps" (start a war) in Darfur, and expand his hood into Africa.

And Matthew, you know that deep down ole Crackhead Obama, like Kagan, wants to see a "browning of America." If there is one thing Obama loves in this world, it is the raping of white women. Just watch him. He gets that "rapist stare" every time he's around a white woman.

"If there is one thing Obama loves in this world, it is the raping of white women."

Use your own name when you leave comments, Steve Sailer.

I'm getting in inkling of why CBS says they had to shut down comments on on Obama stories.

"I'm getting in inkling of why CBS says they had to shut down comments on on Obama stories."

Yup. Steve Sailer is everywhere.

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