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Know Your Enemy

28 May 2007 11:25 pm

John McCain has such a complete and total record of hawkishness, that I think it's safe to assume that this answer for The Jerusalem Post is more than just pandering:

Long considered a dear friend to America, today Israel is our natural ally in what is a titanic struggle against Islamic extremists - an enemy whose sinister nature I need not explain to the people of Israel. . . .

As President, I will pursue every option at my disposal to neutralize that threat. We cannot and must not allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons. I will make sure the American people understand that if we are to defeat the extremists that threaten our way of life, Israel's security cannot be compromised.

Some followup is owed here from reporters. We need to get a better understanding of McCain's understanding of who, exactly, the "Islamist extremists" are that we're in a "titanic struggle" against. One assumes that Osama bin Laden doesn't harbor warm feelings toward Israel. Still, in practice, when one thinks of Israel's foes, ones thoughts turn to Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Iran, etc., rather than al-Qaeda. McCain wants to say, it seems, that all of these groups are part of the enemy. People ought to ask McCain what other sort of groups around the world he would also lump together in this manner. They should also ask him why he thinks the lumping is warranted. Does he see centralized coordination between all these entities? I think I could guess at the answers based on having read years worth of hawkish punditry, but the candidate himself should spell out his thinking on these points and be challenged on it.

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All of the Republicans lump all of these groups together as threats to the US, and the media never calls them on it. Romney did the exact same thing in the last debate, and Bush, Cheney and Guiliani have all done it too. It's all part of their hysterical saber-rattling, which is all they have left.

Some followup is owed here from reporters.

Don't hold your breath.

As I note in another comment thread, how can Israel be our natural ally when all it does is take our money, buy our weapons, and occasionally spy on us?


All of the Republicans lump all of these groups together as threats to the US, and the media never calls them on it.

That would require such activities as researching and thinking. That doesn't fall within the job description of transcribing the thoughts of the powerful.

They should also ask him why he thinks the lumping is warranted.

Um, because they all have a similar ideology?

I mean, during the Cold War, when a politician says we must oppose the Communists, were reporters really supposed to be asking the politician if he means to lump together the Soviets, the Chinese, the Angolans, and the Mozambiquans?

Because clearly, Al, our success in the Cold War came from treating China and the USSR as a single united front with identical interests.

Al Gore is on to something with his new book. Ignorance and stupidity coming from the mouths of the GOP elites is never questioned. This has been true all the way back to the days of Reagan.

One reason Russert developed his particular style of "gotcha" interviewing is because by looking only for the most superficial and braindead of contradictions, one can avoid the terrible requirement for actually thinking and making appropriate judgements about the relative importance of things. Thus Clinton lying about Monica is far more significant that any number of ridiculous wingnut statements about policy or about the war.

Lumping together disparate enemies is a very old warmonger's trick, which works charmingly since it allows you to impute the evilness of one bad actor to any number of others, and because a deep enough bench of adversaries ensures your war against them can never be over.

Um, because they all have a similar ideology?

Yes, Saddam, Sadr, Osama and Kim Jung Il all believe(d) exactly the same things.

"Titanic" is right.

The iceberg moment has already passed, though.

Full speed ahead isn't going to help much now.

Zephyrus: Because clearly, Al, our success in the Cold War came from treating China and the USSR as a single united front with identical interests

JimBOB: Yes, Saddam, Sadr, Osama and Kim Jung Il all believe(d) exactly the same things

Too funny. Note, of course, that I said the groups have similar interests. We didn't treat China and the USSR exactly the same (nor Cuba, Angola, and North Korea), but we did have a policy against the Communist regimes in all those places as a result of their similar Communist ideologies. McCain, of course, didnt say we ought to treat all islamic extremist groups exactly the same either.

Why is Iran armed with nukes so scary and Pakistan isn't?

All towelheads are the same to me. Bomb, bomb, bomb.

Well, these groups do have something in common, which is a rejection to the Americans (and prior to that, the British) dominating and co-opting their governments, occupying their countries and acting as an imperial power in the Arab world, in the the pursuit of oil rents, Jewish colonialism, and military bases. Each of these groups is fundamentally an anti-imperialist group to different aspects of US and British imperialism even if they are uncoordinated.

So, Al. What would be the tantamount situation to McCain's faux pas here, in Cold War terms?

Don't you realize that, for all intents and purposes, we befriended Red China and played it off the Soviet Union. Not a cuddly "Oh, let's put makeup on at our weekly Friday sleepover!" kind of friends, but one more than willing to see mutual interests and act in some semblance of good faith.

Which is something that is sorely needed in our current interactions with Iran, incidentally. Which I'm sure you'll be pushing for as someone who sees the war on Islamic terrorism as analagous to the Communist threat.

Note, of course, that I said the groups have similar interests.

No, what you said was "they have similar ideology." Secular Saddam, shiite Sadr, sunni Osama and Leninist Kim have ideologies that are "similar." Your exact words.

They all have ideologies that are EVIL, details are irrelevant. They hate our freedom, freedom to do anything we want anywhere in the world. We must protect our freedom.
Bomb, bomb, bomb.

Didn't McCain attend USNA? What kind of strategic thinking do they teach at that place? That it's a good idea to aggregate enemies and atomize friends? Because I'm pretty sure that the whole of world history shows that the opposite is, in fact, the better international relations strategy.

Re "how can Israel be our natural ally when all it does is take our money, buy our weapons, and occasionally spy on us? "
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Er..because that what allies do.

The fu$#@@king English are the worse of all. Just look at how they used JP Morgan to drag us into WWI and WWII. Or maybe it was JP Morgan who used Britain to drag us into war to protect Morgan's investments?

William Stephenson, the head of British intelligence in North America, boasted in the 1970s of how he fed misleading info to a Nazi sympathizer in Congress --info he knew would find its way to Berlin -- in order to induce Hitler to declare war on the USA.

Because the British government was scared to death that the USA would focus their main efforts in the Pacific after Pearl Harbor and ignore the war in Europe.

As another example of British manipulation of America, British PM David Lloyd George noted that he created Israel -- gave the Balfour Declaration to Lord Rothschild -- mainly because Britain was on the verge of losing WWI and George needed to appeal to some major Jewish backers of Woodrow Wilson in order to get America to enter strongly into the war.
See his "Memoirs of the Peace Conference". An excerpt is available online at http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/l-george.html

Up to that time, a number of Jewish leaders had supported Germany -- in some cases because they were German immigrants. But mainly because the Tsar of Russia had subjected the Jews of Eastern Europe to a long and bloody persecution and Germany was seen as the counterweight to the Tsar.

Unfortunately, a young corporal in the trenches named Adolph didn't see the humor in Lloyd George's gloating.

It hilarious how often the "international Zionist conspiracy" gets blamed for the scams run by English intelligence chiefs acting for "Queen and Country".

Iran hates us today because we overthrew the lawfully elected Parliament of Iran in the 1950s and installed a dictator --the Shah -- who let us loot the oil deposits of Iran while his secret police Savah tortured and killed any Iranian opposition. In 1979 Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA officer who led the coup, noted that that particular brainstorm came from the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company aka British Petroleum aka BP.

When George Bush cited British intelligence as justification for invading Iraq, I knew that things were about to turn to shit.

Re "how can Israel be our natural ally when all it does is take our money, buy our weapons, and occasionally spy on us? "

Having Israel as an ally is sort of like having a tape-worm as a pet.

Oh, do continue, Don. I can't wait to hear how the Discordian Society and the Justified Ancients of MuMu fit in to all this.

James Gary tosses out the type of jeer that the fascist Rudi Giuliani used against Ron Paul --when Paul tried to inject some reality into the Republican debate on Middle Eastern policy.

Note the technique: no refutation of facts, no submittal of new facts, just an attempt to suppress the facts by an ad hominem at the person providing the facts.

The Brits would be the first to acknowledge that anything's justified for Queen and Country. If pressed, they would also acknowledge that they handed America a big bag of dog manure when it came to their former colonies in the Middle East.

ALL of our allies try to use us for their own purposes --only a fool would expect otherwise.

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