LA Times writer Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar seems to have found himself in an awkward position when assigned by his editors to do a story on how SiCKO means big trouble for the Democratic presidential candidates but then couldn't find any evidence of this. There seem to be precisely zero liberals in the United States who are furious at the major candidates for attempting to develop politically pragmatic proposals even though many of us feel that more dramatic change would -- if possible -- be preferable.
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22 Jun 2007 11:46 am
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Dennis Kucinich getting mad cannot possibly be considered "big trouble for the Democratic presidential candidates."
Charles Petersen wrote, "Didn't Kucinich get mad about precisely this in the last Democratic debate? Not that I'm a Kucinich fan, but he does happen to be a liberal living in the United States."
But, do you think Kucinich was genuinely angry about this? Don't you think he is probably actually happy that the other candidates haven't proposed radical changes in our healthcare system because this gives his campaign a unique niche?
So, Matt's "precisely zero liberals" survives this challenge.
how SiCKO means big trouble for the Democratic presidential candidates
It's the Nadarite fallacy--one party is often half-hearted in pursuit of good, the other party whole-hearted in pursuit of evil, and the Nadarites (supported behind the wscenes by the evil side) conclude that there's not a dime's worth of difference (to borrow a phrase) between the two.
when assigned by his editors
To rehash yesterday's debates (here or was it at Ezra Klein's place?) about media bias -- a lot of bias is about what stories get covered and with what goal in mind. And not that, even if the journalist were a Dem., the key element that would have contributed to the story's bias (had the journalist not decided the assignment was problematic ... which decision could, in school e.g., get you a big fat F) would not have been the journalist's political persuasion but that of the editor ... and possibly the editor was being swayed to think along the lines of "get stories about what could cause problems for Dems" by people even more senior, so the editor's bias doesn't matter perhaps.
Even if all were liberals, on the nets we talk about "concern trolls", eh? Concern trolls hardly accomplish anything and make matters worse, hence the troll label. But some might be sincerely concerned. Perhaps assignments like this occur because the media are liberals who sincerely worry about the future of the Dem. party (the GOoPer interpretation of these assignments is that the editors who made the assignment must be liberally biased that they have this concern) ... but that doesn't mean the result is liberally biased. Unless the reporter as this one was went out of his way to buck the assignment and write the reality rather than the editorial framing, the result of concern trollism, even if made out of sincere concern, tends to be functionally biased to the right, does it not?
Sounds like a Naderite truism--one side is evil and the other at best half good, half evil. I can say this without defending Nader's candidacy, which is the wrong solution to a real problem.
Don't ask me for the right solution. I don't know. I just vote Democratic in the meantime.
How long ago was it that Matt referred to pragmatic half-measures as "nonsensical"?
Was it only yesterday?
Well, at least Matt and the presidential hopesful don't see themselves making a "bold stand of principle."
Wow, I know the MSM is bad and all, but I'm having a hard time believing this is actually under the "News" section. My understanding of SiCKO is that Moore makes no proposals in his film, something that the writer seems not to know since he explicitly references Moore's "proposal" more than once. Then, the writer says Edwards "position [is] sharply at odds with Moore's approach". Edwards' coverage for all approach and Moore's non-existent approach, that is.
DAS, sincere concern trolls wouldn't be making those mistakes.
I am not sure that Matt is right about this. Health care reform actually failed in 1994 because Hillary's prime directive was to develop a plan that preserved the profits of insurance companies. This required a plan of great complexity, because insurance companies don't perform any particularly constructive role in the health care system, as the cost savings they achieve are both at the expense of patient care and are not passed on to the public. The opponents of the plan were able to point out how complex the plan was (and how, as was inevitable in such a complex behemoth, there were some terrible provisions in it) and sink it.
So now, in 2009, President Hillary, or Obama, or Edwards will develop a health care plan with the prime directive of preserving the profits of insurance companies. And for the same reasons as in 1994, it will sink.
At that point, you really don't think the base is going to be mad at the President and the Democratic Party?
The fact is, everyone who knows about this issue knows that a government-run guaranteed insurance system ("single payer", though the government does not have to be the sole insurer and private plans could offer supplements to government guaranteed coverage) is the correct solution here. But the candidates are afraid of looking like socialists and taking on insurance company money, so they don't say it. But that does you no good at all if anything you come up with won't pass.
I think more people in the base are aware of this than you might think.
Dilan, what I've never understood is why these politicians insist on a plan that preserves insurance company profits, if the insurance companies are going to oppose the plan anyway. I have no problem with the notion that we have to accept imperfections in any plan in order to get it passed, but if you're going to sell out, you ought to be sure that you get paid.
how SiCKO means big trouble for the Democratic presidential candidates
"It's the Nadarite fallacy--one party is often half-hearted in pursuit of good, the other party whole-hearted in pursuit of evil, and the Nadarites (supported behind the wscenes by the evil side) conclude that there's not a dime's worth of difference (to borrow a phrase) between the two."
I think that's correct although I think it starts as a joe klein type fallacy that if believed by liberals can logically lead to a Naderite fallacy.
I'm kind of annoyed at Hillary for not seeming to have a plan at all, if that helps.
Re: Hillary's prime directive was to develop a plan that preserved the profits of insurance companies.
That's way overstating the case. The 1994 proposal was an attempt to develop a reform that would co-opt all interest groups and provide universal coverage. Not a bad idea, in theory. And the much-derided "Hillarycare" was not some wild theoretical shot in the dark; it was heavily modeled on the German approach to healthcare which does, you know, work pretty well.
Re: The fact is, everyone who knows about this issue knows that a government-run guaranteed insurance system ("single payer", though the government does not have to be the sole insurer and private plans could offer supplements to government guaranteed coverage) is the correct solution here.
Single payer is actually not all that common. Many European countries are best described as "single payer plus"; thatr is the government is the guarantor of universal coverage, but there's still a large role for (tightly regulated) health insurers. I donlt see why we need to be such puristsabout this when alternative models work quite well in other countries.
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Didn't Kucinich get mad about precisely this in the last Democratic debate? Not that I'm a Kucinich fan, but he does happen to be a liberal living in the United States.
Posted by Charles Petersen | June 22, 2007 12:05 PM