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Debate

05 Jun 2007 06:58 pm

Tommy Thompson has managed to mark himself out as a huge douchebag just in the intros. Sam Brownback needs to learn what kind of ties one can wear on television.

7:04 Mike Huckabee uses his intro to be non-douchey.

7:06 Someone needs to tell Mitt Romney what "null set" means. Also someone needs to tell him that inspectors were in Iraq.

(he did the null set thing twice!)

7:09 Rudy Giuliani rightly says Iraq needs to be viewed in a broader context, and then goes on to place it in the broader context that he's out of his freaking mind and believes Saddam Hussein, the government of Iran, and al-Qaeda are all in league against the United States.

NOTE Tom Ricks reports in Fiasco that only a half a dozen members of congress actually read the classified NIE. Dick Durbin and Bob Graham have both indicated that the classified NIE was at odds with the administration's public claims.

7:13 For a straight-talker, John McCain sure is desperately eager to avoid the question of what to do "if" (i.e., when) the surge doesn't "work."

7:16 I have no idea what point Mike Huckabee is trying to make about the Taliban's belief that they, rather than Ronald Reagan, won the Cold War but it's an interesting observation and -- unusual for a participant in this debate -- it's even true.

7:20 Someone needs to tell Rudy Giuliani that the Cold War was over during the 1990s.

Mmm...pizza.

7:25 I can't believe Rudy is trying to get away with evading the fact that as mayor of New York City he actually sued to defend his right to not enforce immigration laws.

7:29 McCain is fairly persuasive on immigration.

7:32 I like Duncan Hunter's conspiratorial account of the Bush administration's fence-related activities. But if he thinks Bush is so devious, then shouldn't this have broader implications for his view of the incumbent.

7:40 These Fred Thompson answers are super-annoying.

Also -- what does it mean that so far Wolf Blitzer has the line of the night (about lightning striking Giuliani). Also -- since when is religion important to Giuliani? Does he go to church? Was his third marriage in a church?

7:44 Obviously, I'm not a Young Earth Creationist the way Huckabee is, but he had a great answer to the annoying evolution question. Brownback's answer is good, too! We need more creationists in politics.

7:50 "Energy independence" is a wrongheaded notion (imported Canadian hydropower?) when Democrats espouse it, and it doesn't get less wrongheaded when Giuliani talks about it.

8:00 Mitt Romney's flip-flop on gays in the military is really egregious. Meanwhile, the idea that you can't change these kind of things in the middle of a war seems odd. Wasn't racial integration done during the Korean War? Is Charlie Rangel around somewhere to talk about this?

8:04 Tancredo attacks Bush! You'd think this guy could pull like 6-7 percent in the polls.

HALFTIME!

I say -- liveblogging sucks, and I'm not going to do it anymore.

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Comments (36)

Personally, I'm obsessed by the weird little white strings making the words "Topic" and "Question" look like they're little tents.

They used it in the Dem debate too, and I wish I knew precisely what they were talking about at the design meeting where they signed off on it. It's an odd choice.

I'm excited to know how Thompson "mark[ed] himself out as a huge douchebag" when you have the time.

I don't think he has a particularly good shot at the nomination, but Huckabee's definitely got skills.

I'm excited to know how Thompson "mark[ed] himself out as a huge douchebag" when you have the time.

I wish I had the video-capture technology to post it right now. The douche factor was extraordinary. Maybe someone else commenting can describe it.

Anyone want to dig up Brownback's AFL-CIO scorecard?

Did Mitt Romney just say that Sudan's civil war was testing America? Yes, yes he did. The complete lack of understanding of foreign policy in this debate (other than extensive knowledge of the many means by which we can attack other nations) is astounding.

What did Mitt Romney say about the null set?

He was asked what he would do with Saddam if he knew what we know now, and he said the question was a "null set," by which he (somehow) meant that it didn't matter, that the question was too much of a hypothetical to consider.

Oh, Come On!

You actually accept the "evolution is crap" answer?

He didn't even acknowledge that the Earth was created billions of years ago ("I don't know")!

How can we accept this anti-science view in an (cough, cough) evolving world?

Are these guys running for President of the US, or President of Bob Jones University? How would the interview process differ?

Wow, a week ago Lou Dobbs was a scumbag. Today, Thompson is a douchebag.

This blog is getting really edgy now.

are all of you people liberal?

And by "liberal" you mean "don't feel it's appropriate to govern as in anticipation of an imminent biblically prophesied apocolypse"?

I'm not watching the debate, but if one of the candidates says something rational of thoughtful, let me know. If I don't hear from you, I'll understand.

Agreed

Can anybody give the "null set" quotation(s)? I missed it/them.

"I say -- liveblogging sucks, and I'm not going to do it anymore."

You gotta do it like Ana Marie. Break open the Jim Beam, and go at it.

Matt - Please live blog. Some of us don't want to watch the debates.

As an aside on the campaign - I wonder if Romney has radically transformed the dynamic for Guiliani? With Romney in the campaign, a lot of the discussion has been whether evangelicals and fundamentalists can accept a Mormon. It's drawn a lot of attention from whether they can accept a Catholic. And, if the choice is Mormon or Catholic, a lot of people would accept Catholic.

I'm still astounded that the Republican Party's 3 front runners include at least two explicitly pro-choice people (I'm counting Romney in this one - he may have changed his tune, but by the time the election dates roll around, every primary voter will have seen him endorsing pro-choice policies a few years back).

Break open the Jim Beam, and go at it.

I don't make those big Time bucks. I'm here in the living room with Ezra and a handle of MacAlister scotch.

"I'm here in the living room with Ezra"

Why the fuck would you order Pizza Hut? You really have no better delivery options?

No good bagels and no good pizza? Never live in a place that can't produce simple wheat products.

John Lewicke, excellent question!

Someone also needs to tell Marc Ambinder what "null set" means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_set

Don't talk shit about Pizza Hut.

Wow. When Jim Bean is considered the good stuff, watch out.

Shouldn't your hit counts influence whether you toss liveblogging completely? Not a blogger, so I don't know if reloads count as traffic. I'm with MDtoMN in the pro-liveblog camp. I read Yglesias so I don't have to sift through the chaff, and that applies double to the debates. It's too bad, because your opening post was money.

You really have no better delivery options?

Really! There's some good pizza in DC, but none of it delivers to my house. It's bleak. I'll vote for any candidate who promises relief.

"I'll vote for any candidate who promises relief."

Edwards has promised a thousand Lombardi's franchises spread across the country since Elizabeth is Italian-American.

HALFTIME!

Amazing.

Harry Truman integrated the armed forces in 1948, two years before the Korean War.

Edwards wife is Italian-American? Bah. Rudy is the real deal. He would certainly make sure DC has good pizza that delivers to Matthew's neighborhood. Rudy '08!

"Edwards wife is Italian-American?"

Mary Elizabeth Anania

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You're just bitter because Lombardi's won't deliver above 14th, Al. It's what makes you a Republican.

You need to understand that a Democrat like Edwards can deliver on his Universal Lombardi's program and distribute good pizza to folks all across our great nation.

You really need a high tolerance for idiocy to be around politics in any capacity for very long. I sometimes think Matt fails that test.

Why would we need you to live blog when we have Rush Limbaugh posting at the Corner? You just can't compete with this gem.

Black infantry platoons were integrated into white companies in 1945, during WWII, due to a desperate shortage of infantry replacements. They fought well.

Black soldiers also fought in integrated units in the Revolution, most prominently in Glover's Marblehead Regiment.

Ending DADT wouldn't suddenly force combat units to begin integrating, or anything of that sort, so the fact that we're in a war is pretty irrelevant. We're already declining to kick people out of combat units for being gay, so nothing would change in that respect.

First, Battlefield Earth--now null set.
When Mitt Romney comes out as a fan of Voltron my suspicions will be confirmed.

"7:16 I have no idea what point Mike Huckabee is trying to make about the Taliban's belief that they, rather than Ronald Reagan, won the Cold War but it's an interesting observation and -- unusual for a participant in this debate -- it's even true."

Not quite. The Taliban were organized after the red army left Afghanistan and after the communists (who held on for a bit more) were defeated. Individual talibs (technically taliban but that is confusing) fought the cold war and might feel that they won, but the organization didn't exist during the cold war.


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