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Elle on "Partial Birth" Ban

25 Jul 2007 08:56 am

Samhita Mukhopadhyay notes a brilliantly sarcastic and indignant Ann Crittenden response to Justice Kennedy's ruling in the "partial birth" case in Elle:

So, he rules, we'll spare you all that grief and sorrow by deciding you can't have a partial-birth abortion (if your state so decides), even though there was substantial testimony from medical experts and groups, such as the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, that this now potentially criminal form of second-trimester abortion is sometimes safer for women than other forms. This is for your own good, of course.

Where have we heard this before? You are too mentally challenged to master the rigors of a higher education, so we'll keep you out of universities for your own good. You are too gentle for the rough-and-tumble world of business, so we'll keep you out of the high-paying professions for your own good. You don't understand complicated political issues, so we'll spare you the confusion of voting, for your own good. You are too frail for competitive sports, so we'll keep you from running or swimming or discovering your body's capabilities, for your own good. And now paternalism's last stand is over motherhood. You don't know when you are ready to become a mother; whether you are suited to become a mother; what to do when something has gone dreadfully wrong with your pregnancy. So you can't decide.

The smartest thing I was ever taught about politics and media is that this sort of media coverage of politics in media outlets that aren't focused on politics -- coverage in Elle rather than Ms., the local news rather than the national news -- is the most important kind. It reaches the kind of ill-informed somewhat disengaged people whose views tend to swing elections.

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"It reaches the kind of ill-informed somewhat disengaged people whose views tend to swing elections."
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So, Elle and its ilk reach upwards of 300 million people in the U.S.?

For whatever reason, I was watching a New York area local news program this morning and was pleased to find both a special report on animal extinction as a result of global warming and a report on colonoscopies which ended with a call for universal health care, so that anyone who needs to be tested can be. I think Matt's right: shows like that and magazines like Elle do a much better job of promoting progressive ideas with the general public than wonkier publications like TAP or Mother Jones.

Partial Birth abortions are typically done after the fetus is viable; they involve a near full birth with the doctor killing the fetus and then removing it.

I'd love to see someone argue with a straight face that such a procedure is safer than an induced birth.

I'd love to see someone argue with a straight face that such a procedure is safer than an induced birth.

[composing facial expression to erase smirk]

The disproportionately large fetal head (even a normal one, never mind enlarged & incompatible with fetal survival) is what makes birth riskier for humans than for other animals, so anything that reduces its size-- like intact D&E-- will make the process less dangerous & traumatic.

So it's your argument then that a non-trivial number of women exist for whom natural childbirth is deadly? Maybe back in the 18th and 19th centuries, or in the third world, but not in the West in the 21st century.

James Robertson, how many women's lives is a "nontrivial" number, to your mind?

And you seriously want me to suppose that doctors just make shit up to try on women in obstretric distress even if it's less safe than obvious alternatives.

I'm guessing your views on these matters are...trivial.

The risk of death in childbirth is significantly higher than the risk of death from using oral contraception, but no one seems to find that risk 'trivial.'

James, regardless of the moral issues anyone might have with D&E, it is a fact that, statistically, childbirth is riskier to a mother's health and life than an abortion. That's just the way it goes. The odds that a woman will die in childbirth in the united states is 1 in 2500. Whether you consider that trivial or not is up to you. Certainly some people will say that the moral unacceptability of D&E outweighs the increased risk to mother's lives, but at least be honest about it and willing to make that argument.

What a stupid argument. Partial-birth is banned not because they reject the safety statistics, but because if the position of the fetus were reversed, it would be indisputably a baby with all the attendant moral and legal rights. It's just too close to the bright line, and all the legal argumentation is embroidery.

The idea that a living baby whose body had been birthed (with the exception of the head) does not enter into the decision matrix in any way is repugnant to a significant majority. Equating access to one procedure (for which there are alternatives) to basic voting rights is just moronic.

The idea that a living baby whose body had been birthed (with the exception of the head) does not enter into the decision matrix in any way is repugnant to a significant majority. Equating access to one procedure (for which there are alternatives) to basic voting rights is just moronic.

Ever read up on the still-legal D&E procedure?- it's much more gruesome, resulting in a dismembered fetus. And the chances of uterine perforation or not getting everything out, possibly leading to uterine infection, are of course increased with the messier procedure, making this procedure more dangerous than the intact dilation & extraction. But the gore and risks of D&E are features, not bugs, as far as the fanatics are concerned: they attacked the safer procedure that left an intact body to mourn when a loss was inevitable, playing on sentimentality instead of fact (no surprise), because women exerting reproductive control must be punished with as much physical and emotional misery as possible.

Might want to be a bit more careful about calling others 'moronic' when your own ignorance is so evident.

I understand both procedures quite well. You ignored my argument completely. Don't defend it against your "fanatics", answer my post and my points. Your dismissive use of "sentimentality" when talking about the vexed issue of when a fetus becomes a baby is disturbing, however, and doesn't offer much hope for a productive conversation.


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