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09 Aug 2007 10:36 am

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I enjoyed Glenn Greenwald's take on the "foreign policy community". Let me observe, however, that he left one crucial trope off the list. One is not supposed to question the motives of members of the foreign policy community. If Barack Obama says we need to be willing to make surgical strikes in Pakistan even if the government in Islamabad isn't willing to act, it's perfectly okay to say he's doing this, in part, to emphasize a hawkish side to his views. If union leaders are reluctant to endorse John Edwards despite his union-friendly views, it's sperfectly okay to say they're reluctant because they don't want to alienate the eventually winner and they don't think that winner will be Edwards. If Chuck Schumer wants to preserve special tax breaks for hedge fund managers it's okay to point out that this has something to do with the fact that many of his constituents work in the financial services industry and generously support his career with campaign contributions.

But insinuate that leading foreign policy analysts are driven in part by careerism and not just determined pursuit of the truth, and people get the vapors.

This is curious, in part, because the institutions that comprise "the Community" exist, in essence, to provide employment for job seekers. There are plenty of positions for people interested in foreign policy and national security issues that aren't like that -- there are career jobs in the foreign service, the intelligence agencies, and the military. There's also academia. But if you aren't as interested in serving your country or pursuing disinterested scholarship as you are in trying to get a political appointment, it might be a great idea to secure a post as a Brookings or CSIS fellow. Which is fine on one level, obviously, those jobs need to be filled.

But what I didn't understand years ago, and that many people still don't understand today, is that this means these people are, in fact, politicians rather than scholars or analysts. Just as a politician thinking of running for president might shy away from the idea that we ought to reduce defense expenditures for fear of offending defense contractors, a person hoping to be made assistant secretary of defense may also want to stay away from such ideas. At that point, though, politicians get even more frightened, since now when rival politicians attack the candidate who wants to cut defense expenditures, they can probably get an army of "experts" from throughout the Community to back them up.

Not, of course, that I would want to attack anyone's motives. People aren't bribed into changing their views. But people know that if they have a view on some topic that's impolitic to express, the smart thing to do is find some different issue to talk about. So you wind up with Michael O'Hanlon and Kurt Campbell writing a book which says we've over-militarized our foreign policy, but that nonetheless concludes that there's no case for cuts in overall defense expenditure and no planned weapons systems that should be eliminated. Similarly, if you take the view that the view that there's neither a strong national interest case, nor a strong case from universal morality, for making Israel the largest recipient of US foreign aid spending, you find a topic other than US aid to Israel to write and speak about.

Which is why, as Steve Clemons observed at YearlyKos, such members of Community as had the foresight to recognize that invading Iraq might be a bad idea tended not to speak out. The leading presidential candidates and the key legislative leaders were all going to back the war, so to criticize Bush's policy would be to criticize Daschle and Gephardt and Lieberman and Kerry and Edwards and Clinton and Biden and so forth, which isn't helpful if your goal is to have those guys get you jobs. So people who favored the war said they favored it, while others found other issues to worry about for a while.

Now needless to say, the alternative to listening to the Very Serious Experts isn't to turn to people who aren't serious students of these issues. But you find a much higher level of candor and intellectual honest when you look for experts who aren't life-long job seekers. Guys like Rand Beers and Richard Clarke and Flynt Leverett who were all professionals who had jobs until they quit them because the Bush administration was determined to steer the ship of state into the rocks. People from the academic world like Robert Pape who, unlike think tankers, really are free to publish their research even if it goes against political fashion or powerful interests also have a lot of value to add. Meanwhile, there are always going to be institutions that are breedings grounds or holding pens for the political appointees of tomorrow. But, fundamentally, the existing set of people that are supposed to guide thinking and discussion -- the people who interested non-specialist members of the public ought to be able to rely on -- have gotten things badly, badly wrong over the past few years and thousands and thousands of people are dead as a result. The presidential election ought to involve actually shaking that crew up and dislodging it, not just reshuffling which people are working for the government at the moment and which are writing the op-eds.

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Which is fine on one level, obviously, those jobs need to be filled.

They will be filled one way or the other, of course, but the rest of your post steers me away from the conviction that they need to be.

The presidential election ought to involve actually shaking that crew up and dislodging it, not just reshuffling which people are working for the government at the moment and which are writing the op-eds.

Hard to do when the media seems to think their address books should only be filled with the phone numbers and email addresses of the usual suspects.

I have noticed both Obama and Edwards pushing for serious policy and "policy experts" (not just on foreign policy) to mean more than just the policies and people we've come to know the last decade or so, and at every turn, the media calls up an establishment type. If the establishment type agrees with Obama and/or Edwards, we hear very little about it in the rest of the MSM. If the establishment type disagrees with Obama and/or Edwards, we hear lots about it in the MSM.

And as far as blogging has come, we still have a ways to go to get MSM types to push harder for answers and to question those who were wrong... or just mention that someone has a 'mixed track record.'

I don't think anyone expects anyone else to get policy 100% right 100% of the time, but it would be nice for the media to not treat the same old policy experts like demi-Gods and question the motives and track record of the establishment types. At least ask why the establishment got Iraq so wrong and what they were doing to avoid making a similar mistake in the future.

Outstanding post. I wonder, also, how newspaper and magazine columnists fit into this calculus? The job incentives operative in the think tank crowd presumably don't exist for these writers. But so many columnists supported the war; perhaps they simply were under-informed and got suckered by the administration's humanitarian and national security PR pitch.

Outstanding post.

I agree. This is great stuff.

That picure is really creepy, and the flag projection is like something out of Al Qaeda propaganda.

Good. I am pretty struck by the banality of the whole centrist discourse here. Everyone mumbles on and on about "globalization is a transformative net good" and "we should promote democracy." And bears shit in the woods.

the flag projection is like something out of Al Qaeda propaganda.

It's from a Saban center seminar on Israel and America taming the middle east. Avigdor Lieberman was somewhere there skulking around behind Hillary.

I wonder, also, how newspaper and magazine columnists fit into this calculus? The job incentives operative in the think tank crowd presumably don't exist for these writers.

Ironically, a great many of them seem to rely on think tank reports as the "politically independent" sources for their opinion writing.

Didn't a certain General and later POTUS once make a speech about this sort of phenomenon?

I don't disagree with anything in this (excellent) post. However, by way of a brief return to the rhetoric of interacting with such political think tank people, as opposed to the substance, I think it's more effective to lay off the accusations of bad faith and ulterior motives, at least as the default first rhetorical move.

Pollack and O'Hanlon's Op/Ed was a trainwreck because it regurgitated Whitehouse/DoD propaganda, totally ignored the political situation (which was supposedly the basis of the counter-insurgency strategy), and altogether showed awful foreign policy judgment, just as the two of them have all along. There is ample material to destroy their work and reputations on that basis alone. I see the fact that pundits jump to analyze Edwards' motives in discussing inequality to be the problem, not the failure to analyze O'Hanlon and Pollack's motives.

Great thoughts on connections to the columnist/punditocracy. Doesn't it seem though that in an age of celebrity punditry, the celebrity policy expert becomes a necessary corollary. The two are mutually supporting. Having connections to "serious" foreign policy types sustains the credibility of celebrity pundits/programs - Ignatius, Hoagland, Charlie Rose, Lehrer - while visibility in such venues sustains the appearance of respectable notoriety among the foreign policy nomenklatura. Really a mutually beneficial situation where the appearance of "credibility" and "seriousness" is nourished even while its substance is quickly hollowed out.

Ignacio hits on a particularly salient point about the way the elite media interacts with these careerists -- they view them as credible and independent thinkers, in part because many of the journalists themselves know nothing about their subject matter. There is so much superficiality in the thinking of these elites, so little true expertise, and most deadly of all, incredible hubris about what they all think they know.

Little Tommy Friedman (and his Chicago cop's moustache) embody these tendencies to a tee -- he understands precious little about the way that people throughout the world really think and feel, thinks that his Bethesda manse and his frequent flyer forays and airport taxi rides are adequate places from which to observe the world and think great thoughts, without any sense of what a limited, banal and ultimately ludicrous figure he is.

Re Ed Marshall

"Avigdor Lieberman was somewhere there skulking around behind Hillary."

Looking at the list of attendees, Mr. Lieberman must have felt very much out of place along side such Israel bashers as Strobe Talbot and Tom Friedman, and such appeasers as Shimon Peres. But then, Mr. Saban is well know, despite the ravings of Don Williams, as a dedicated supporter of the failed policy of being nice to the Palestinians.

Excellent post, Matt. And this comment by KTLN is the best comment I have read today:


Little Tommy Friedman (and his Chicago cop's moustache) embody these tendencies to a tee -- he understands precious little about the way that people throughout the world really think and feel, thinks that his Bethesda manse and his frequent flyer forays and airport taxi rides are adequate places from which to observe the world and think great thoughts, without any sense of what a limited, banal and ultimately ludicrous figure he is.

How much of what the policy wonks spout can be attributed to fear? They have to keep producing something to draw a check and stay in the public eye. However, they're speaking and writing in an increasingly fascistic enviroment. Their mail, phone calls, computers, banking, credit and medical records are all likely to be monitored should they become too prominently vociferous and caustic in their criticisms or analysis of the ruling regime. If they nail an especially embarassing set of Theses to the church door it might start a Reformation Bush considers intolerable. It hasn't happened yet but they might find themselves disappeared. Were Pinochet still alive he'd be proud of Bush.

the smart thing to do is find some other issue to talk about

Spoken like an expert. Who, for instance, if he feels for some reason he can't come out against the unconscionable policy of trying to crush Hamas, talks about the level of American military aid to Israel instead...

This gets back to your earlier thread about conservatives who want to eliminate tenure-- it would in effect turn scholars into politicians, constantly tweaking their views with an eye towards the upcoming contract renewal.

The existence of these members of the "policymaking establishment" is a huge problem because they are not involved in scholarship and debate of their ideas as they are hashed out in public academic forums. Rather, they're just political sinecure in which people are constantly jockeying for position with an eye towards a choice appointment in an upcoming administration.

About time someone with an audience made the point that is instinctively obvious to truly detached observers: institutional, social-reproduction, and rent-seeking explanations usually rule the day in explaining most human behavior, especially when the career stakes are relatively high while the actual consequences of the act (in this case, punditry) are relatively low. Given the choice between two intellectually credible things to say, someone whose future is bound-up with one of the options will certainly go with that one even if the other one is more credible. That's just the way it goes--they're not baser or crasser people than the retired FSOs or tenured academics who "speak their mind," rather they're just in a different institutional setting with different reward structures. Indeed, the tiny nugget of truth in the otherwise ridiculous conservative critique of academia is that academics derive professional benefit from being contestatory, so at least part of their radicalism (where it exists) is also institutionally-driven.

Sorry that was so long-winded, but here's the bottom line: You don't have to be Karl Marx or even Charles Beard to understand that where you stand is intimately related to where you sit.

Whats striking about this post is not it's point, which is an extremely obvious one, but that Matt thinks that university professors are not political. Read your post modernist progressive godfathers like Michel Foucault, Matt. It's ALL about power relationships. Professors may not be in it for money but they are in it for power and prestige in their academic circles. You can, for example, be up for tenure at Barnard writing an undocumented book on how Ancient Israel is a modern hoax. If that isn't politics, i don't know what is. (http://www.paulasays.com/articles/nadia_el_haj/copy_of_nadia_el_haj_at_barnard.html).

Richard Clarke, that paragon of intellectual honesty, delayed his public views on the war until just before his book came out.

Nice touch with the picture too. Nohing like some sublimal Protocols of the Elders of Zion messages.

It is an excellent post, but only a start.

MY does leave out factors and players in the vetting of Foreign Policy Experts. The Global Military/Industrial/Financial Establishment gets to vote, and the Foreign Policy Community is also a Global Community. Players like Raytheon and Bandar & Olmert do not get a veto, but they do have influence, and possibly should.

One might find it useful to imagine a different 2002 scenario. In the fall of 2002, as the troops are amassing in Kuwait, the American Foreign Policy Community vigorously opposes the war bringing the world FPC along with it. The Senate rejects the AUMF. And Bush invades anyway.

What would America and the World look like then? I presume Pollack & O'Hanlon considered that scenario.

Serious

"Here is my nightmare. The Cheneyites succeed in creating a situation in which Bush does decide to bomb Iran. Iran retaliates, as they openly threaten to do, with terrorist attacks against us on U.S. soil. That tilts the election. I can imagine a Karl Rove political calculation that would buttress a Cheney-Addington national security calculation, probably with Eliot Abrams' support." ...Anne-Marie Slaughter

I do find some of the blogosphere anti-war community unserious, unwilling to fully imagine the effects and costs of its alternate realities.

Bush should not be President. Now. By any means necessary & possible.

This post is misleading. When you condemn the "foreign policy community" you leave out one group: the people who actually do the hard work of analyzing, formulating, and ultimately executing the administration's foreign policy. That is, primarily the Dept. of State.

And they have been right on basically every issue, and have been consistently shat on by this administration. Or take the CIA, which has also disagreed vehemently with this administration.

Why give these morons and party apparatchiks the dignity of calling them "the foreign policy community"? And ignoring the real community which does the hard work of cleaning up after those idiots?

This post is a valuable contribution to understanding the role of “motives” in the behavior of these so-called “experts”.

But I think it still fails to grasp a key component of the whole picture, i.e. the power of finance as the motive force that drives the system of think tanks and “advisory services”. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

The Saban Center at Brookings, for instance, is not a disinterested party in discussion of Middle East policy, because billionaire Haim Saban pays the bills and calls the shots in favor of his own interests in Israel. Ken Pollack is the official “Director of Research” of the Saban Center and gets his paycheck and institutional leverage from allegiance to those very same interests.

Other financiers, e.g. Scaife, play a similar role at other think tanks.

The bottom line, then, is that this issue cannot be separated from the larger question of the role of financial influence, hence the power of the political lobbies, in directing the “motives” and behavior of our political system. That is why the “lobbying question” being raised by Obama and Edwards (and fumbled by Clinton at the Kos Convention) should continue to be forcefully put on the table in the current Presidential campaign.

RE steve duncan's comment "However, they're speaking and writing in an increasingly fascistic enviroment. Their mail, phone calls, computers, banking, credit and medical records are all likely to be monitored should they become too prominently vociferous and caustic in their criticisms or analysis of the ruling regime. If they nail an especially embarassing set of Theses to the church door it might start a Reformation Bush considers intolerable. It hasn't happened yet but they might find themselves disappeared. Were Pinochet still alive he'd be proud of Bush."
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That's not it. Bush no longer has any support -- not even among Republicans. But all that means is that the superrich merely need to bring out his replacement.

The BIG PROBLEM is that James Madison's theory -- the main idea behind his design of the Constitution -- has been shown to be false. I.e,
The idea that no faction -- or combination of factions -- would be strong enough to seize control of the government.

Bush and the Republicans in Big Oil have greatly overreached in the past 6 years because they KNEW their false claims would NOT be challenged by other powerful factions. The billionaire patrons of Bush/Cheney knew that their bloody move to seize the oil deposits of Iraq would not be challenged by the Democratic leadership --or by their associated allies in the news media -- because billionaire financiers of the Democrats saw Hussein as a threat to Israel. Plus those billionaires liked Bush's Tax Cuts just as much as did the Republican supporters of Bush. Just go back and read the WashPost/NY Times editorials.

Only George Soros and MoveOn bucked the program.

Someone here rightfully observed the nature of our "democracy" a few days ago. That most Americans are sheep led from the barn to the field in the morning and back to the barn in the evening. People who eat, shit, fuck and sleep -- and who have no interest in anything beyond those activities.

People who think that big loading truck is going to carry them to better fields without the trouble of walking. Even though other sheep who have climbed on board in the past have never returned to tell about those fields.

If the owners of FOX and the NY Times think those sheep need to have an opinion, they will tell them what it should be. Current "news" is that the distant field is green and lush and the water tastes great. Has a faint taste of Kool-Aid, in fact. And the good shepherd has drove off those nasty Al Qaeda wolves.

Great post!

"But insinuate that leading foreign policy analysts are driven in part by careerism and not just determined pursuit of the truth, and people get the vapors."

Could we see some links to vapor-getting, please?


"Similarly, if you take the view that the view that there's neither a strong national interest case, nor a strong case from universal morality, for making Israel the largest recipient of US foreign aid spending [after Iraq - ed.], you find a topic other than US aid to Israel to write and speak about."

There's certainly no market for such views. Ditto for the idea we should reduce our foreign aid spending to the recipient of the third-largest amount, Egypt. Ditto for the principled notion we should nuke Iran now.

Meanwhile, there are always going to be institutions that are breedings grounds or holding pens for the political appointees of tomorrow. But, fundamentally, the existing set of people that are supposed to guide thinking and discussion -- the people who interested non-specialist members of the public ought to be able to rely on -- have gotten things badly, badly wrong over the past few years and thousands and thousands of people are dead as a result. The presidential election ought to involve actually shaking that crew up and dislodging it, not just reshuffling which people are working for the government at the moment and which are writing the op-eds.

That includes the author of this post, doesn't it? The problem, perhaps, consists in the existence of a class of people who articulate views about things, but have no particular expertise--i.e., pundits. Having an opinion, is not really a job. Everyone has them. Perhaps then the lesson ought to be that we should turn to the people with the knowledge and experience and such. If we want, for instance, to talk about the Middle East, bring in people with at least the experience and knowledge of Juan Cole. With an academic culture in this country as chock full of actual experts as ours, it's hard to imagine we should expect anything less.

RE SLC's comment "But then, Mr. Saban is well know, despite the ravings of Don Williams, as a dedicated supporter of the failed policy of being nice to the Palestinians."
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Instead of listening to SLC's dubious claims, how about we listen to the words of Haim Saban himself??

READ Saban's Dec 2006 interview in Haa'retz --see
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/798292.html

An example:
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SABAN: Israel does not worry me. Israel's neighbors worry me. I used to be a real leftist. I remember Arik Sharon coming here, to my house, a few months before Camp David, when he was still leader of the opposition. He told me there would be no deal because Arafat would not sign. I told myself that there was nothing to be done - these right-wingers were simply insane. I had no doubt that there would be a deal and the problems would be resolved. History proved that Sharon was right and I was wrong. In matters relating to security, that moved me to the right. Very far to the right."

HAARETZ: How far right?

SABAN: "When there is a terrorist attack, I am [Yisrael Beiteinu party chair Avigdor] Lieberman. Sometimes to the right of Lieberman. For two days I really love Lieberman. But afterward I come back to reality"

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Kinda sad that you had to get the word from a goyim, SLC. You've must not have been attending the weekly NeoCon meeting,else you would have gotten the memo.

Maybe you should go and wash Williams Kristol's car to atone.

Excellent post. It's not enough to recognize that DC think tank "scholars" are just propagandists. They are more fundamentally courtiers and sycophants.

"Someone here rightfully observed the nature of our "democracy" a few days ago. That most Americans are sheep led from the barn to the field in the morning and back to the barn in the evening. People who eat, shit, fuck and sleep -- and who have no interest in anything beyond those activities"

Posted by Don Williams | August 9, 2007 12:59 PM
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That was me Don. At least you like 1/2 of what I have to say. :-)

The wealthy libertarians founded their own think tank (CATO) to promote their ideas. Maybe we need to fund a "Peace thank" to fund our own experts to counter the military-industrials and provide an alternate POV.

"But afterward I come back to reality"

I wish Don Williams would come back to reality, even though we would lose a lot of unintentional comedy.

Yes, steve duncan was the source of the "America as Animal Farm" observation:

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/losing_vietnam.php#comment-409896

For Crissakes, who ARE these Very Serious People that that everyone in the blogosphere have magically become concerned with in the past several weeks. (And, BTW, what are the motives, interests, and agendas of the bloggers in this collective groupthink attack?)

Names! Ranks! Serial Numbers!. List them. Define your terms. Provide links to the organizations with they are affiliated.

James Madison's theory -- the main idea behind his design of the Constitution -- has been shown to be false. I.e,
The idea that no faction -- or combination of factions -- would be strong enough to seize control of the government.
- Don Williams

Well, the problem is the failure of one of James Madison's assumptions: ambition being made to check ambition requires that it is in the interests of ambitious people to make a show out of opposing the powers that be.

Sorry to sound like an old fogey of 3x my age, but it used to be that was the way things worked. E.g. (if you'll pardon me bringing him up), Harry Truman made a big show going after war profiteers. Even if he was doing this just to put himself in the spotlight, he was rewarded for his efforts. And his ambition checked the ambition of the war profiteers.

The real thing that happened is that the current powers that be have gotten clever. They realized the way to keep control is to make sure that any display of ambition would be seen (e.g. by a media prone to get the vapors) as a sign of moral deficiency -- and that you couldn't trust someone who was too ambitious. Thus, a Harry Truman today would be denounced for "playing politics while there is a war going on".

The result is that truly ambitious people, rather than trying to gain power by going after those with power, realize that "playing politics" would be dismissed as unseemly, so they just go along with the status quo: where before a Harry Truman would get good press and a HHH would be seen as a lacky, nowadays the press would applaud HHH's refusal to play politics and rip Harry Truman to shreds for being uppity (I use that word on purpose ... you get the drift, don'tcha y'all?).

I'm paranoid enough to believe that this change has been pushed on purpose -- the GOP has, even while enaging in the most egregious of politicizations (I've written both in comments, e.g. here, and on my own blog, about how the GOP by being hyper-partisan avoids the appearance of partisanship while the Dems., by being as herdable as cats, ironically end up appearing more partisan than the GOP), been pushing strongly for years now the talking point that "politics is teh evil". And not just because it resonates with the pre-millenialists that have come to make up the GOP's base.

The establishment, seeking to keep the status quo, has undermined Madison's device for preventing an aristocratic establishment from forming by appealing to our distrust of playing politics. So long as an ambitious person figures there is power to be gained by making a political play, "ambition [checks] ambition". But once the situation is such that ambitious people know that checking ambition is dismissed as "playing politics" so ambitious people know that they best just go with the flow, Madison's system crumbles like a house of cards.

But insinuate that leading foreign policy analysts are driven in part by careerism and not just determined pursuit of the truth, and people get the vapors.

Cite?

Or did I just miss some incident that everyone but me is already talking about?
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"Or did I just miss some incident that everyone but me is already talking about?"

Over at Unfogged people were arguing that MY is becoming a reporter-pundit more than a blogger - maybe we're just not in the conversation any more.

I will propose a feeble defense of the serious members of foreign policy community.

When your profession is the pursuit of knowledge, it is highly unpleasant to recognize that we know very little. As we all know, "the best available intelligence" that "no serious intelligence service doubted" happened to be totally wrong.

So, the correct summary of knowledge about "Iran situation" would go like that:

do they try to develop nuclear weapons -- WDNK (we do not know)

is the regime popular -- WDNK

what will happen if we attack -- WDNK

what will happen if we do not -- WDNK

will any kind of danger abate if we attack -- WDNK

is it certain that some serious shit will happen if we attack -- seems almost certain

what exactly -- WDNK (but there are several possibilities worth noticing).

Now this state of knowledge has to be converted into livelihood of several hundred people. It is not easy, folks.

"Nice touch with the picture too. Nohing like some sublimal Protocols of the Elders of Zion messages."

Hmmm, is that you, Joshua Micah Marshall?

Always wondered why Matt doesn't seem to post anymore at TPM while Daniel Greenbaum is STILL there and STILL posting his "everybody is an anti-Semite" screeds.

Marshall recently accused me in an email of "despising Jews" - which clearly shows his bias since I've never said a word about that - and for the record, do not do so (except of course, as an atheist, I despise all religions.) Apparently, despising fascist and racist Zionists is the same thing to him.

There's a REASON why people like Anne-Marie Slaughter and the rest of that ilk are invited to write at TPM and not serious left-oriented writers. It is the "reason that dare not speak it's name." And that reason is that Marshall agrees with much of what they write - but he can't admit that because it would put him at odds with most of his readership.

So he relies on the occasional drive-by snark and banning people who push his crypto-Zionist hot buttons without explanation.

It's called "intellectual cowardice".

Which is precisely indistinguishable from that shown by the foreign policy community when challenged by more forthright writers like Max Sawicky at TPM.

But then, Mr. Saban is well know, despite the ravings of Don Williams, as a dedicated supporter of the failed policy of being nice to the Palestinians.

That's it, no more Mr. Nice Guy for you, Palestinian scum! Exterminate the brutes!!!

As we all know, "the best available intelligence" that "no serious intelligence service doubted" happened to be totally wrong.

... unless you count the IAEA and UN weapons inspectors, who were not wrong.

No one was wrong. They were all lying. They thought a quick victory would make it ok.

Re piotr's comment "WDNK (we do not know)"
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I don't remember reading very many "We do not know"s in the OpEds,articles,etc written in 2002 about Saddam's Nukes.

In fact, I seem to remember a lot of
"WE KNOW THAT".

See, e.g., the LA Times OpEd written by the "Directors" at Haim Saban's Center for Middle East Policy, Kenneth Pollack and Martin Indyk:
http://www.brook.edu/views/op-ed/indyk/20021219.htm

I believe that's Marti sitting to the left of Tom Friedman in the above photograph at the start of Matthew's comment.

Surely if Bush were actually a fascist, he would have declared military rule last fall rather than passively allowing his party to lose power in Congress and letting himself be pressured into jettisoing Rumsfeld. Surely he would have started "disappearing" people long before his approval ratings hit 29%.

PS Go through Kenneth Pollack's bestselling 2002 book "The Threatening Storm" and see how many "We Don't Know"s you see in his discussion of Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Maybe you should go and wash Williams Kristol's car to atone.
Posted by Don Williams | August 9, 2007 1:14 PM

That is the deepest most pronounced smackdown I have seen in long time.

Surely he would have started "disappearing" people long before his approval ratings hit 29%.


Posted by James Kabala | August 9, 2007 3:42 PM

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You don't get out much, James. He HAS been disappearing people for many, many years.

The careerism of the various experts and policy advisers seems pretty obvious to me. With all respect, I am surprised that this is something anyone doesn't get almost immediately. I guess The Best and the Brightest is no longer required reading.

One factor that was not obvious to me until I went through a few election cycles was the connection between the expert/adviser class and the large contributor class.

In this way, the expert/adviser acts as the agent, the voice in the room, for the contributors. This is how people we have identified as losers continue to get jobs. They represent money and they are loyal to the money.

More like this. Great stuff.

Maybe you should go and wash Williams Kristol's car to atone.

Ooh, snap!

This question (about the lack of debate) in foreign policy is one that we at The National Interest have been grappling with.

An interesting "bipartisan" collaboration against the "bipartisan" consensus was penned by David Rieff and Chris Preble and went up yesterday .

A few issues back we had similar complaints coming from
Dimitri Simes
about a real lack of debate; some of the responses froma June event are going to be expanded for the next issue.

But what I didn't understand years ago, and that many people still don't understand today, is that this means these people are, in fact, politicians rather than scholars or analysts.

Yes! Well said. I wonder whether something stronger than 'politicians' might be appropriate, though: Sophists? Like the bloviators of old hated by Plato, they happily use their talents to make bad ideas look good, all in the interest of those signing their checks. Though I fear this does some disservice to the original Sophists, who seemed neither so shameless nor so pampered.

A professor of mine remarked a while ago about how rare it was that academics actually put their privilege of tenure to its intended use.

Sadly, this problem coexists with the frank politicization of the Civil Service and landing-pattern think-tankers.

Re rilkefan

"I wish Don Williams would come back to reality, even though we would lose a lot of unintentional comedy."

Better to inform his keepers at the Camarillo State Mental Hospital in California to take his computer away from him.

The blogosphere has proven that there are plenty of smart people out there that don't want to participate in the game the way the not so smart people have devised it. Many games of this country evolved with the help of people who aren't really that gifted, except in how to win such games -- just look at all the players inside the beltway. A lot of it is inertia, of course, but that just makes it uncontrollable, not ok.

These games have been deemed universally good by the community, although they have nothing to base that upon, except their success.

Re Don Williams

"Maybe you should go and wash Williams Kristol's car to atone"

After Mr. Williams' finishes giving David Duke his daily blow job.

Sycophants' Existentialism.


In the end, it comes down to the military-industrial complex. Foreign-policy Serious People are basically propagandists for war, and a large war state. They fill a different niche from somebody screaming 'The (fill in enemy as needed) will kill you in your beds!!!!!!!!!!!!', but they're no more honest.

SLC: "Better to inform his keepers at the Camarillo State Mental Hospital in California"

JFTR, I don't think this is cool. You do your views a disservice by engaging in such ad hom rhetoric - ditto your 6:56. Mock the content, not the commenter.

Has anyone ever noticed how many college buildings are named after Olin? Or how many departments are (or were) funded by the Pentagon. Colleges, and especially Deans (who must engage in fundraising) know on which side their bread is buttered.

Has anyone ever noticed how many college buildings are named after Olin? Or how many departments are (or were) funded by the Pentagon. Colleges, and especially Deans (who must engage in fundraising) know on which side their bread is buttered.

Re: WDNK, two clarifications.

1. I will forever remember a lecture on expert systems in which the lecturer ask: can anyone define what an expert is? [Silence] An expert is a person who cannot tell "I do not know".

2. Of course, it is worthwhile to ponder why we do not know. Intelligence services have two tasks: search for truthful assesment of the reality, as to help in decision making, and running disinformation campaigns to justify certain decisions.

It is clear to me now that Bill Clinton continued a disinformation campaign against Saddam Hussein, with Tony Blair being member in this project. In the absence of Soviet Union, Iraq became top target of the information warfare. Since the latter is a multi-billion dollar endavour (and yes, Olin Foundation is there), the crumbs alone provide living to hundreds of experts. Curiously enough, many of these experts are veterans of CIA and teams of presidential advisors, so they oscillate between being official information warriors and unofficial.

Because of the monumental ineptitude of Busheviks, now we have this elaborate disinformation apparatus that nobody sane and intelligent can believe. This vision is so terrifying that for most folks, it is better to deny it. The whole field of serious studies on foreign policy is a post-nuclear wasteland.

Of course, the research of radicals like Chomsky is not affected by this information holocaust. Chomsky was probably correctly accused of committing many howlers, but this were o_c_c_a_s_i_o_n_a_l howlers rather than systematic.

So what should be done? Chomsky for the next National Security Advisor? Norman Finkelstein for the next Dean of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs and the Bert G. Kerstetter '66 University Professor of Politics and International Affairs at Princeton University? Ain't gonna happen. If I were in the position of advising, say, John Edwards, what to do, I would be at my wits end.

Some day it will come to light that Al Qaeda has been manipulating US foreign policy by kidnapping and replacing cab drivers around the world so they can plant lunatic notions in Tom Friedman's head.

Expert opinion = "often wrong, never in doubt."


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