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Did Karl Rove Lose Iraq?

22 Aug 2007 03:58 pm

That's George Packer's theory:

Karl Rove’s resignation brought to mind a conversation I had a few weeks ago with an Administration official who genuinely wanted to hear my account of why the Iraq war has gone so badly. In a word, I said, “politics.” At every turn, the White House has tried to use the war, and the larger war on terror, to consolidate power, to reward ideological and political loyalists, to win electoral advantage, to push the Democrats into a corner, to divide the country into patriots and defeatists. President Bush insisted on pursuing a highly partisan domestic agenda rather than unite the country around the war in the spirit of F.D.R. (who said that “Doctor New Deal” had been replaced by “Doctor Win the War”). So many disastrous wartime decisions can be traced back to the original sin: policy mattered less than politics. The message in Washington was more real than anything happening in Iraq.

This'd be a kind of fun thing to throw into kitchen-sink style critique of the Bush administration, but I don't think it's very well supported.

For one thing, it lacks explanatory power as an account of White House decision-making over the past 18-24 months. It was widely believed in late 2005 and early 2006 that Bush was going to start some kind of slow-motion downscaling of the American presence in Iraq in order to lessen the extent to which it was a millstone around the congressional GOP's neck, but it didn't happen. Similarly, Bush responded to electoral rebuke not by trimming on Iraq, but by doubling down. The evidence suggests that Bush pursued maximalist Iraq policies in 2002-2005 for the exact same reason he pursued them in 2006-2007 -- because of his maximalist views on Iraq. He was a maximalist when Iraq-as-wedge-issue cut in his favor, and he was a maximalist when Iraq-as-wedge-issue cut against him.

That's not to say that within the parameters of the agreed-upon policy the White House political team didn't try to milk the issue for maximum political advantage, but that's a different matter.

Of course, the question of "why the Iraq war has gone so badly" does admit of a few different interpretations. I would say it went badly primarily because the underlying concept of invading and occupying a diverse, medium-sized country in order to topple a long-entrenched dictatorial regime and replace it with a stable, pro-American one that would be a stepping stone toward larger regional transformation was fundamentally unsound. Any policy designed to achieve those goals was bound to fail. It probably did, however, go as badly as it did ("so badly") in large part because responsibility for implementing this policy was handed over to people who were too dumb, too crazy, or too irresponsible to realize what a mess they were making and abandon the policy objectives.

The notion, however, that if Bush had just made Joe Lieberman Secretary of Defense, not pushed for further tax cuts, invited Paul Berman over for coffee, and given Joe Biden a hug that this all would have turned out well doesn't seem very plausible. Maybe had the administration not disbanded the Iraqi Army, not issued the de-Baathification order, and not made all kinds of noises about marching on Damascus and Teheran we could have installed a stable-but-repressive Sunni neo-Baath regime that made nice with the Gulf Cooperation Council states but liberal hawks wouldn't have been happy with that and I don't think it's clear that it would have worked anyway.

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"Any policy designed to achieve those goals was bound to fail."

Once again we have The Yglesias Dodge.

I think it safe to say that Bush's own reasons for Iraq are safely tucked within the echoing ivory dome of Bush's brain. It's entirely possible that his reasons have changed over time since we've never been privy to them. The Bush who approved staffing Iraq jobs with campus-fresh YRs can hardly be described as a man serious about winning the war in Iraq or democracy promotion. The Bush who approved the disappearance of $12 billion dollars (in cash!) into the morass of Iraq was not a "serious" man.


Don Wilson,

When the revolution comes, will you and your friends give Matt Yglesias a pass as a reward for writing these sorts of posts? Or will he share the same fate as the rest of elite Jewry?

Don Wilson,

When the revolution comes,

The Jack Benny announcer?

While I agree that there was something inherently flawed in the hubris of taking over Iraq and turning it into some American-friendly touchstone, what the White House did politically certainly exacerbated the situation -- and it has nothing to do with the Democratic hawks and their Lieberman/Berman/Biden faces.

Some of these political moves might not have had much to do with Karl Rove, personally, but they are certainly Rovian in their pettiness and what they aimed to achieve. Consider these two tidbits which might not have been the most dire things the administration did, but certainly get to the heart of their ultimate pettiness and politicking:

1) The State Department had been working for years on a postwar plan. It was a 13-volume study called "The Future of Iraq Project." It might not have solved every problem in a postwar Iraq, but it certainly identified a number of problems, and its authors had put serious thought into them. Jay Garner asked the authors to serve on the CPA and he was instructed by Donald Rumsfeld himself that they would not be allowed to serve. This was because State was deemed insufficiently hawkish. This was not just politics, it was suicide. (For a more detailed account of this, see Thomas Ricks' "Fiasco.")

2) This is probably more minor, but it is heartbreaking in what it revealed about the administration's priorities. In the new film "No End in Sight" a Georgetown professor who served in the CPA was interviewed in which he was talking about how a few weeks into his tenure he ran into one of his students -- an early-20s girl who had just graduated. Without any training in civil works or engineering this daughter of a political donor was put in charge of Iraq's traffic system.

No, this project might have never turned out right. But is it any wonder that it turned out spectacularly badly?

Hey all,

I am not clear on the term "maximalist". While I think I get the gist of what's being said here, what does maximalism/t mean exactly?

"I am not clear on the term "maximalist". While I think I get the gist of what's being said here, what does maximalism/t mean exactly?"

Matthew seems to be (oddly) using it here as a synonym for "pro-war", but his overall argument is not coherent enough to really be sure.

I don't think Bush ever had a maximalist view on Iraq. After all he strenuously resisted the idea the idea of troop increases in Iraq for a pretty long time.

Even now, if he were really a maximalist who truly believed that unless we achieved ‘victory’ the terrorists would follow us home, he would be calling for a reinstitution of the draft.

He’s just doing whatever it takes to keep from having to admit that he made a colossal mistake. That’s what he’s been doing since the start of the insurgency.

Senate GOP Senate Leader and President Bush: U.S. Would Pull Troops if Maliki Wants Them Out

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Sunday on ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" that the United States would "certainly" leave Iraq if the Iraqi government were to ever decide it wanted U.S. troops out of the war-torn country.


"If the Iraqi government ever decides they want us to leave," said McConnell, "then certainly we would comply with their wishes, they are a duly elected sovereign government."

Even though the issue has not yet come to a formal vote, a majority of the members of the Iraqi parliament signed onto a resolution earlier this month calling for the United States to get out of Iraq. McConnell's comments were prompted by Stephanopoulos asking: "Shouldn't their wishes count here?"

(snip)

In an interview last month with PBS's Charlie Rose, President Bush said the U.S. would leave Iraq if asked to do so by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

"This is a guy," said Bush of Maliki on April 24, "who has been elected by the people. And it's a sovereign nation. And we're there at their request. The truth of the matter is, if they said 'get out now, we're tired of coalition presence, the U.S.'s presence is counterproductive,' we would leave."

I wonder how this all plays into the so-called coup rumors?

Gus,

The Mac dictionary definition: A person who holds extreme views and is not prepared to compromise. Wondered about it too...

i think MY is roughly right here, but the story can be put more concisely.

at first, the war policy was driven by the desire to secure the Permanent Republican Majority.

then it turned into a complete fuck-up, even at the electoral level.

after that, it was driven simply by bush's paralysis and ego-fragility--he has no idea how to get out of the jam, and is afraid that any change of course will make him look weak.

since sometime in 2004, bush's reactions have not really been strategic,
unless you think it is strategy that keeps a deer frozen in the headlights.

Packer’s model of explaining the Bush administration’s behavior in Iraq makes perfect sense. Politics always took precedence over policy. Thus the minimization of the costs of occupation before the war, and the refusal to change course or admit to any mistakes before the 2004 election.

After 2004, Bush’s political incentives changed, because neither Bush nor Cheney will face an election again. Their historical reputations are what matter, not approval ratings or the fortunes of Congress. Now their political incentive is to stretch the occupation out as long as possible, in the hope that something they can call ‘victory’ will magically materialize, or that someone else is responsible for the eventual pullout, and a ‘stab in the back’ narrative will take hold.

after that, it was driven simply by bush's paralysis and ego-fragility--he has no idea how to get out of the jam, and is afraid that any change of course will make him look weak.

Actually, I think domestic politics has always been and continues to be the best explanation out there of the Bush Iraq war policy. I know you're not supposed to mind read, but . . .

My take on Bush's intransigence at this point is that it's all politics. He does not want to go down in history as the president who lost the Iraq war. He wants that historical burden to land on the next occupant of the Oval Office, which is likely to be a Democrat. This will actually work out well for Republicans in the log run.

If a Democratic president withdraws from Iraq and things go well, then Bush and the Republicans will take all the credit. If things go poorly, the Republicans will blame Democrats for "losing" Iraq for decades to come. All they have to do is run out the clock.

I think the key problem here is that the tendency to treat the outcome of the Iraq invasion in binary terms - "bad result" vs. "good result" - doesn't fully address all the relevant issues. In terms of American domestic politics, that binary division makes perfect sense. If a good outcome was possible, then the decision to invade might be defensible; if no good outcome was possible, then the decision is indefensible and those who made it should be held accountable accordingly.

That's all very clear-cut, and fine as far as it goes. But, in terms of addressing the broader impact, and allocating moral and practical responsibility for that impact, the division between "bad result" and "even worse result" is just as important, if not more so - in the sense that the difference between "bad" and "even worse" might end up involving hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of needless deaths, devastating socioeconomic catastrophe, widespread regional destabilization, and so forth.

To put it another way: was the neocon vision of easily democratizing Iraq by force and thus spreading democracy throughout the region remotely plausible? Absolutely not, it was absurd from the beginning.

Could the Iraq invasion, if handled competently, have produced an outcome that most Americans would view as positive and worth the cost? More debatable, but still unlikely in my opinion.

Could replacing the actual idiocy and political hackery with a hypothetical competent post-invasion plan have led to a humanitarian and national security outcome that's vastly, incomparably better than the situation we're currently facing? Yes, without a doubt.

There's no contradiction among those three conclusions, and they all matter.

"After 2004, Bush’s political incentives changed, because neither Bush nor Cheney will face an election again. Their historical reputations are what matter, not approval ratings or the fortunes of Congress. Now their political incentive is to stretch the occupation out as long as possible, in the hope that something they can call ‘victory’ will magically materialize, or that someone else is responsible for the eventual pullout, and a ‘stab in the back’ narrative will take hold."

Exactamundo.

At the very least, their objective is to stave off the loss of the Green Zone until after 1/09. That way, the TV pictures of the defeat will occur under a different Presidency. And that way, the Bush folks will always be able to argue the final defeat wouldn't have taken place if their policies had been continued.

This'd be a kind of fun thing to throw into kitchen-sink style critique of the Bush administration, but I don't think it's very well supported.

I disagree.

Sure, Bush didn't just "use" the war to score political points - he definitely puts the war over his poll numbers.

The KEY idea is this: "The message in Washington was more real than anything happening in Iraq.".

Since Vietnam many/most conservatives believe the only thing that is ever a threat to an American victory is the lack of American resolve and so our policy in Iraq effects our chances for victory ONLY insofar it effects domestic support for the war.

The APPEARANCE of progress at home was seen as more critical than actual progress there NOT because he cared more about polls than about the war but because he thought domestic political opposition was more of a threat to victory than armed Iraqi opposition.

Consequently Iraq policy was largely determined by how it could be spun in the domestic media to show "we are winning" rather than its effects on the ground in Iraq - because our victory was of course "assured" provided we didn't quit too fast.



Henry Farrell (Crooked Timber) has a post up - Democracy and Unipolarity - that strongly supports Packer's theory. Henry previews a paper being presented next week at the American Political Science Association (APSA) meeting; Jack Snyder, Robert Shapiro and Yaeli Bloch-Elkon's paper is titled FREE HAND ABROAD, DIVIDE AND RULE AT HOME: THE DOMESTIC POLITICS OF UNIPOLARITY.

Please read Henry’s post and then click thru to the paper as it details how the administration and the republican congress used 9/11 and the Iraq war to further their “Political” agenda. It was and is all about politics.

I more or less agree with r4d20. The White House was sophisticated about how the Iraq war fit into a domestic political agenda, and unfreakingbelievably ignorant/naive/arrogant about the steps necessary to actually achieve a good outcome in Iraq.

Also, by using the war to attack and marginalize domestic political opponents, Bush ultimately doomed efforts to sustain a domestic political consensus in favor of the war that could have helped him survive its lousy prosecution in the early stages.

Finally, it never ceases to amaze me how this administration just doesn't do diplomacy and compromise with its adversaries internationally; it prefers apocalyptic confrontation, in which it casts itself as "good" and its adversaries as "evil." You can't lay that policy failure completely at Rove's feet, but it sure is consistent with his polarized view of domestic politics.

Actually, r4d20, I'm not sure how widely the "public support equals inevitable Iraq success" belief was held within the administration and among its supporters. There's little doubt that Bush believed that (and still does), and probably some of the dumber neocons did as well, but I imagine that not everyone did.

To some extent, I think the prevalence of political calculations was likely a simple matter of personal preference and practical capacity. As the insurgency emerged, the hacks and ideologues in the administration rapidly discovered that they had no capacity to understand or control what was actually happening in Iraq. On the other hand, their capacity for media spin and propaganda remained substantial (at least at first), and that's what they were most comfortable with. So, they basically abdicated serious policy leadership in favor of spin and propaganda for partisan advantage, and hoped that the war would somehow take care of itself.

I agree with Packer. The key is "reward ideological and political loyalists." That's exactly what happened. Ideology over competence:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1022-06.htm

When key decisions were made, they were made ideologically, not competently. Packer's book is all about that. It's hard to tell how directly involved Rove was with this and Iraq, but he's at the very least a potent symbol of this kind of thinking.

well, what do you expect from this gaggle of clowns? Bush has never had to be competent at anything in his life and has surrounded himself with equivalent wingut inhabitants of think tanks who put politics above reality.

There's a great difference between RAND and AEI--unfortunately we slap the term "think tank" on both of them.

"I would say it went badly primarily because the underlying concept of invading and occupying a diverse, medium-sized country in order to topple a long-entrenched dictatorial regime and replace it with a stable, pro-American one that would be a stepping stone toward larger regional transformation was fundamentally unsound. "

Iraq is more than just any "diverse, medium-sized country" with a dictator. It was a country cobbled together by the British to include at least three highly antagonistic ethnic/religious groups, with an elite religion-based minority persecuting all the other factions for decades. It is surrounded by countries full of people who hate the US, including one of the most sophisticated and successful terrorist organizations ever. It had been under harsh dictatorship for it's entire existance. As soon as we removed Saddam, the power stuggle which underlied all of Iraq's history was unleashed and will continue until some kind of equilibrium is reached. I don't think you could have found a place to invade and set up a west friendly democracy that offered worse odds for success.

This isn't true:

It had been under harsh dictatorship for it's entire existance.

Iraq enjoyed a period of peace and relative prosperity under the constitutional monarchy set-up by the British, with a Hashemite king. The shit started hitting the fan with the first Baathist coup (not the Yglesias idea of a "coup", btw; the kind with a dead body being dragged through the streets).

I would say it went badly primarily because the underlying concept of invading and occupying a diverse, medium-sized country in order to topple a long-entrenched dictatorial regime and replace it with a stable, pro-American one that would be a stepping stone toward larger regional transformation was fundamentally unsound.

That too, though.

It was a hairbrained from the beginning.

I would say it went badly primarily because the underlying concept of invading and occupying a diverse, medium-sized country in order to topple a long-entrenched dictatorial regime and replace it with a stable, pro-American one that would be a stepping stone toward larger regional transformation was fundamentally unsound. Any policy designed to achieve those goals was bound to fail.

I'm not convinced that this analysis passes the Afghanistan test. Afghanistan is diverse, the same size as Iraq, and had a dictatorial regime. We certainly aren't all the way home there, but the regime is roughly pro-American and crudely democratic, even though the "raw material" of Afghanistan (education and resources) was considerably poorer to start with.

If Afghanistan fails, it will because if the conflict between that war and the war on drugs, and the Taliban's safe harbor in Pakistan.

The "too few troops" argument fails here too. We've never had close to as many coalition troops there as in Iraq.

What is different is that in Afghanistan we used existing power structures, while in Iraq we wiped the slate clean. This is partly because the Hussein regime was much more effective than the Taliban in wiping out alternative power structures, but it's also because of the incompetent actions of the CPA.

It's worth remembering that on the eve of WWII FDR appointed Henry Stimson as Secretary of War and Frank Knox as Secretary of the Navy. (In those days, before the Department of Defense, both were full cabinet departments.) Both were prominent Republicans. Stimson had served as both Secretary of War and Secretary of State in Republican administrations (Taft & Hoover), while Knox had been the Republican nominee for vice president in 1936.

Yglesias and everyone else here is missing the point. The Iraq war is not a failure. It's a huge success, the foreign end of the main Bush agenda, namely wealth transfer. Close to a trillion $$ has been sucked out of the treasury and transferred to Bush's billionaire war contracter buddies, at the same time "starving the beast" back home.

On the home front, his tax policies (not to mention the senior drug benefit giveaway to big pharma) have done the same thing -- though with less loss of life, something the Bushies couldn't care less about.

The longer the war lasts, the more Bush's pals get richer, and the more the social safety net back home gets frayed. And, of course, the war had the political benefit of getting him re-elected.

So, now the Republicans are reeling and the gov't will likely go all-Dem in 2008. This means Bush has failed, right? Wrong. Temporarily being out of power is small price to pay for how much the far-right agenda has been advanced. It will take decades to undo, the Dems will probably botch it anyway (just as they failed to reverse inequities put in motion by Reagan's tax policies), and by then a new Rove will probably have brought the Repubs back to power.


Eyes on the prize. Krugman understands this. I'm surprised so few others do.


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