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Fueling Civil War

23 Aug 2007 05:11 pm

As Mark Kleiman says "More Iraqis will probably die of violence just after a U.S. withdrawal than are dying violently now," but "that's not a good enough reason to hang around, unless at some point it stops being true: that six months, or a year, or two years, or five years from now we would be able to withdraw and not have civil war and massacre follow. If all we're spending blood and treasure on is postponing a catastrophe we can't prevent, the "humanitarian" argument against a fairly rapid withdrawal collapses." It is, in fact, worse than that. Our continued presence in Iraq is probably making things worse. Take a look at this slice of counterinsurgency in action:

Slowly but deliberately, U.S. forces are enlisting groups of armed men -- many probably former insurgents -- and paying cash, a strategy they say has dramatically reduced violence in some of Iraq's most dangerous areas in just weeks. [...]

"People say: 'But you're paying the enemy'. I say: 'You got a better idea?'," says Balcavage. "It's a lot easier to recruit them than to detain or kill them."

But U.S. forces also say the militia -- dubbed the Concerned Citizens Programme, or CCP, -- is only a temporary measure. If the comparative peace is to hold, the mainly Shi'ite government must offer the fighters real jobs in its army and police force.

As far as Colonel Balcavage's area of operations is concerned, this is a smart policy. But the jigsaw puzzle doesn't fit together. The central government has no intention of incorporating these people into its security forces. Under the circumstances, as Greg Djerejian says:

Arming Sunni militias (sorry, Concerned Citizens Programmes) rather than the national army, as nascent and pitable as it is, will almost certainly lead to more intensified Sunni--Shi'a fighting. Meantime, these bolstered Sunni forces (some of them simply ex-Baathists we supposedly went in to topple) will eventually be fighting for primacy against the very Government we've been trying to prop up in Baghdad. I find this mind-boggling in its short-sightedness and lack of overarching strategic direction (unless we've truly become Machiavellian, and are plotting to return the Sunnis to power to contain Iran!)

And thus goes all the talk of "training" Iraqi troops. The longer we stay, the more guns and training we hand out to multiple sides of the brewing conflict. This stuff matters. There's a big difference between a civil war fought with sticks and stones and one fought with tanks and aircraft. Iraq is, obviously, somewhere in the middle. But as of now the one saving grace of the situation is that all the parties in Iraq (save the USA) are relatively lightly armed. With each passing month, though, we shift it to a deadlier and deadlier situation with better armed forces on all sides. We need to be doing the reverse -- moving our troops out, ceasing the arming and equipping of militias, and acting aggressively on the diplomatic front to try to make sure that other countries don't step into the armaments-providing breach.

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We need to be ... acting aggressively on the diplomatic front to try to make sure that other countries don't step into the armaments-providing breach.

Yeah, good luck with that, though. What possible leverage would the US have to prevent this if it pulls out? (Not that I oppose pulling out.) The Iranians are right next door across porous borders. Ditto the Saudis. Where there's demand for guns, guns will be sold. And there will be demand for guns.

The central government has no intention of incorporating these people into its security forces.

I'd love to be like Matthew and be able to read minds and tell the future.

Just earlier today, Matthew was tellilng us that as soon the Sunni tribes are going to turn against the central government and us tomorrow.

Now Matthew is telling us that the central government has no intention of offering some Sunnis positions in the security forces.

How does Matthew know this? His psychic powers to know the future amaze me. And why doesn't Matthew use these special psychic powers of his to tell us who is going to win the NBA championship next season??? That's much more useful, to me.

The Rwandans did a bang up job with machetes. Who needs weapons?

It strikes me that when all sides are adequately armed then there is a better chance of security. Look at Bosnia. The world slapped an embargo on arms to the region which the Serbs blatantly disregarded. They were able to slaughter with impunity until NATO intervened.

And thus goes all the talk of "training" Iraqi troops. The longer we stay, the more guns and training we hand out to multiple sides of the brewing conflict.

Which makes the "Après nous, le déluge" argument all the more compelling. Which in turn makes it all the more unlikely that we'll ever be able to extricate ourselves. Which in turn makes it a damn good strategy if your actual intention is to never leave.

But that's crazy talk, right? Everyone wants to get our troops home, right? We just have sensible disagreement on the particulars, right? Only crazy people would think otherwise.

Patrick Lang has a contrary read on arming the Sunni militias. His position appears to be that an armed organized Sunni block may encourage the Shia to compromise/share power.

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/

Arming the Sunni militias after arming the Shiite military echoes the 1980s strategy of balancing each side in the Iran-Iraq War with US weaponry. The grim logic perpetuated weak states in the region (a US policy goal, I think) but did so at great human cost.

Is this not the same idea? Keep any single group from taking over Iraq and preventing a strong state from rising in the wake of the fallen one?

Machetes can kill thousands of people - so can truck bombs. Improvised explosives can be effective in the hands of a small group.

I'd love to be like Matthew and be able to read minds and tell the future.

. . . Matthew is telling us that the central government has no intention of offering some Sunnis positions in the security forces.

If it makes you feel any better, All, I've been saying the same thing about the Shiite government since early 2005, and been right for more than two years. The government's attitude hasn't changed, nor is it likely to.

If the only objective was to prevent a humanitarian crisis the problem would be much simpler. The problem with withdrawal is caused precisely by the fact that there are other agendas.

In particular the neo-cons want to establish a permanent military base in Iraq from which to intimidate Iran. They also want to provoke a showdown with Iran and to topple the Iranian regime.

This makes withdrawal difficult because the only country in the region that has the troops, resources and inclination to prevent a civil war in Iraq is Iran.

It is the imperialist goals of the neo-cons that cannot be reconciled with preventing a massacre.

As a direct result of the neo-cons stupidity, Iran will inevitably control the middle east at the end of the game. The only open question is whether the mullahs will control Iran or if the reformists will manage to take control.

The neo-cons planned attack will of course strengthen the mullahs' hands, particularly if as seems likely the mullahs can claim a victory. When Reagan bombed Tripoli there were no US troops in harms way. When Bush attacks Iran there will be roughly 150,000 US troops for Iran to target. Both sides have ample ammunition and materiel to inflict casualties on the other.

The US might well win a war of attrition if the US public beleived in the cause of the war. It is hard to see the US public standing for any significant number of casualties in a war against Iran with two unfinished wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Iranians on the other hand have already allowed the mullahs to rack up a million dead in their war with Saddam.

There's a big difference between a civil war fought with sticks and stones and one fought with tanks and aircraft. Iraq is, obviously, somewhere in the middle.

The implication that next we'll be handing F-16s to tribal leaders is obviously ridiculous. Militia groups are already saturated with the highest-tech weaponry they're likely to get. We can't stop them from getting guns, and I don't think we're giving them tanks.

Obviously, these people already have weapons and don't need help acquiring them. They do need paying jobs, and are likely to help us if we provide for their families.

Amen, Sean! I think if we can get the economy functioning at a tolerable level and get some more electricity flowing we would see the average Iraqi step up to the challenge. The problem is in the how.

With each passing month, though, we shift it to a deadlier and deadlier situation with better armed forces on all sides. We need to be doing the reverse -- moving our troops out, ceasing the arming and equipping of militias, and acting aggressively on the diplomatic front...

Or, we could really do the opposite, and make sure one side or another has a big advantage, so that when a full-scale civil war finally erupts, it will be over quickly.

I'd throw our lot in with the Sunnis, myself. Doing so:

1) Gives them less reason to turn to AQ for protection;
2) Insures we're siding with the regional majority;
3) Keeps outside Sunni regimes from getting involved;
4) Negates the Shi'a numerical advantage in Iraq, and forces them to negotiate.

Yes, this would also goad Tehran into more robust action and aid, but I personally like the odds of US and regionally backed Sunnis vs. Iran-backed Shi'a. Eventually, increasing Iran's sense of isolation in a Sunni-dominated region might even force them to consider turning to you know who for succor and assistance.

"It strikes me that when all sides are adequately armed then there is a better chance of security. Look at Bosnia. The world slapped an embargo on arms to the region which the Serbs blatantly disregarded. They were able to slaughter with impunity until NATO intervened.

Posted by danceswithgoats | August 23, 2007 5:35 PM"

The problem in Bosnia was that the Bosnian military was too weak (unlike the Croatians) to beat back the Belgrade-supported Serbian ethnic paramilitary behind the slaughter. However, the former Yugoslavia did partition itself. By the time NATO went in, so many Srbrenicas (sp?) had taken place that areas were largely homogeneous. We also fully backed one side - Bosnia - against another - Serbia. Afterwards at Dayton there was an actual treaty. In Iraq, we are playing a different game. We are backing the Iraqi government whose power rests on the military, which is made up of de facto Shi'ite death squads and militias at the same time we are supporting the former (and likely current) insurgents against Al-Qaida in Iraq and hoping this doesn't come back to bite us, Baghdad or the Sunnis in the ass. We are playing the opposite game of what we played in the Balkans.

I say we pull all our troops out of Iraq and send them right back to Nam. But we let Rambo win this time. It's win-win.

Arm Shiite, arm Sunni. It really doesn't matter any longer. The military has shifted its rhetoric from creating a viable state (remember "breathing space") to defeating supposed terrorist organizations for future defeat. AQI and supposed "special cells" of the JAM are now the targets of the surge.

Public support for the war has shown little sign of increasing. The military is nearly broken. This war simply cannot continue indefinitely.

The strategists behind the surge at least acknowledge that there is no "state" in Iraq and that security can only be established by allowing insurgents to take control of their local areas. AQI is whoever these insurgents claim them to be, whether actual salafists or merely factional rivals.

The end result will be some claim of "victory" over terror and a measurable level of security for long enough for the US to withdraw and save some face.

Arm Shiite, arm Sunni. It really doesn't matter any longer. The military has shifted its rhetoric from creating a viable state (remember "breathing space") to defeating supposed terrorist organizations for future defeat. AQI and supposed "special cells" of the JAM are now the targets of the surge.

Public support for the war has shown little sign of increasing. The military is nearly broken. This war simply cannot continue indefinitely.

The strategists behind the surge at least acknowledge that there is no "state" in Iraq and that security can only be established by allowing insurgents to take control of their local areas. AQI is whoever these insurgents claim them to be, whether actual salafists or merely factional rivals.

The end result will be some claim of "victory" over terror and a measurable level of security for long enough for the US to withdraw and save some face.

I'm pretty sure light weaponry and munitions are already quite plentiful in Iraq, as well as routes to refresh these supplies should the demand be there.

"But as of now the one saving grace of the situation is that all the parties in Iraq (save the USA) are relatively lightly armed."

Uhm, what makes you think that? You think the US melted down every Iraqi tank and armored personnel carrier they found after March 2003? I doubt it. They might have some parts logistics problems, but I'm sure they'll find a way to manage.

Also, once Bush attacks Iran, the US will be forced out of Iraq without most of its equipment and probably without the ability to damage most of it beyond repair (the jets and choppers of course will just fly out - assuming they have any fuel left, which is actually doubtful). Mark my words, we'll be leaving a LOT of really useful hardware behind when the US is forced to evacuate the country in a hurry, under fire.

Iraq had millions of tons of explosives and millions of light arms in March, 2003. Most of that is still there and still available to anybody who can get to it with enough firepower to hold it long enough to use it or move it.

In case you haven't noticed the last few days, by the way, it is now clear that the Kurds are allied with Israel and the US in trying to start a war with Iran, figuring that they'll get a better break from Iran if Iran is occupied fighting the US than the Kurds.

In the last few days, the Kurds have been claiming that Iranian troops have crossed the border INTO IRAQ and killed Kurdish civilians.

If that isn't the same tactic the Germans used with the Poles to justify the invasion of Poland in WWII, I'm no student of history.

The Kurds have also claimed that the Iranians are "massing on the Iraqi border" - just like they've claimed the Turks are, but the Turks I could believe, and they've also claimed to have shot down an Iranian helicopter in Iraqi airspace.

Let there be no doubt - this is ruminant evacuation intended to start a war between the US and Iran - and this crap is directly instigated by the Israeli agents in northern Iraq working with the Kurds and by their neocon connections in Washington.

A few more weeks or months of this, plus the upcoming NIE report leaked today that says Iran is our enemy and we have no choice but to attack them, and you can easily see an Iran war by Christmas.


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