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Max Boot Flashback

27 Aug 2007 01:25 pm

A colleague reminded me of this November 2003 column by Council on Foreign Relations fellow Max Boot:

Other statistics add to the context. According to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, 114 U.S. police officers died in the line of duty this year, almost exactly the number of service people who have been killed by Iraqi insurgents since May 1. And more than 41,000 people are killed on U.S. highways every year, according to the Department of Transportation. So during the last six months, while more than 300 Americans were dying in Iraq, more than 20,000 were dying on the roads at home.

Of course to "add to the context" one might have wanted to compare the number of soldiers in Iraq to the total population of the United States and one would have realized that, yes, serving in a war is more dangerous than driving a car. Boot did, however, presciently note that "the myopic media are focusing far too much on counting casualties and not enough on assessing the larger state of the campaign." Less presciently, he argued that the larger state of the campaign was very solid.

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I read this post and thought, "That doesn't sound at all like Max Sawicky." Wrong Max.

I had Sawicky on the mind after reading that he was giving up the blogging.

Is it possible that he is being paid to have these opinions like O'Hanlan?

If anyone has the time or the interest--I certainly don't--it might be a good idea to introduce Boot to the helpful concept of non sequitur. Ted Koppel, too, since he made the same argument that "we lose that many people in traffic accidents every month, with barely a murmur of protest."

Is it possible that he is being paid to have these opinions like O'Hanlan?

No, I think he's that dense for free.

Relatedly, just a little back of the envelope math:

300 KIA in Iraq in 6 months/120,000 servicemembers = 0.250% chance of death in 6 months

20,500 killed on US highways in 6 months/300 million Americans = 0.007% chance of death in 6 months

That's on the order of 40x more dangerous, which is a little less than I would have guessed. (If anyone has any significant corrections to the above I'd be interested to see it.)

As John Cole pointed out today, another interesting piece of "context" is that less than 300 Americans have died per *year* in the last ten years from terrorist attacks in the US. Just while we're providing "context".

George Will has been doing this sort of distortion/misuse of statistics for decades. It is actually a varient form of unveracity.

One wonders why Boot didn't write an op-ed on 9/12/01 citing these same traffic fatality statistics.

The Washington Post had an article that said approxiamately half of all murder victims in America were black for a total of 8,000 victims. Of that, 85% were male with 51% being ages 17 - 29. That works out to about 3,468 military age black males killed in the US in the past year. Staggering.

that's why all the chickenhawks like to stay in the states--nobody's gonna make them go to that safe haven when they can stay home and live in the dangerzone--i.e., the highway that takes them from the subdivision to the golf course.

Apologies to Atrios (remember, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery):

Is Max Boot a GOP hack/flack?

Yes.

This is today's simple answer to a simple question.

These stats seem fishy to me. For example, did you know that in 1998 there were 815 active duty military deaths?

siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/M07/sep98cas.pdf

The reason: sad as it is, one fact of life is that people die sometimes.

The question is how many officers died while on duty at the hands of someone else.

According to the FBI:

www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2004/table1.htm

there 56 officers attacked and killed in 2002 and 52 attacked and killed in 2003.

between 1995 and 2004 there were 594 killed including 35 in u.s. territories.

(this excludes 9/11)

Das Boot does a nice job of putting these numbers into context for us:

41,000 killed on the highways every year. That's more than one 9/11 EVERY MONTH.

But 9/11 changed everything.

one might also consider that the death rates are additive, not exclusive.

that is, the american soldiers died in addition to the police officers. one does not affect the other, both are bad things, and one could be stopped completely and immediately.

it's sort of like the argument that we shouldn't do anything about greenhouse gasses because the planet is warming naturally. even if true, the greenhouse effect is adding to the problem, and is something we can do something about. you see?

I haven't done one of these for a while, and the Iraq number have simply gotten worse since I did, but

"Safe As Houses: Is Iraq Service Safer Than Pplice Duty?"
http://www.darrelplant.com/blog_item.php?ItemRef=165

"Safe As Houses II: Bad Drivers"
http://www.darrelplant.com/blog_item.php?ItemRef=256
http://www.darrelplant.com/blog_item.php?ItemRef=282

It's no use, everyone, Boot's sold me on this. The REAL enemy is the highway system! Bomb I-95! We need to fight the highways here so we don't have to fight them...uh...wait a minute...

Yes, less than 4,000 US soldiers killed.

Uncounted hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed.

Two million external refugees from Iraq, two million internal refugees in Iraq.

Billions of world citizens have lowered their opinion of the US.

But after all, it's only Americans that count when we do the counting.

The reason our fine Neocon/Bushie fellows don't worry so much about death is that, duh, the undead don't care about death. Zombies can provide all kinds of insight into politics but they are not good with numbers in general and they just don't do death stats. The undead sometimes wear seatbelts but they wear them to, say, avoid loosing limbs or to help steady their driving but, nah, they don't wear them for safety. I don't know why we are even arguing about this. Death stats just confuse the undead. It's like trying to explain Dixie cups to a grizzly bear.

what about all the iraqis getting killed in iraq? you know, the people not riding through the streets in armored vehicles wearing flak jackets, helmets, armed to the teeth and with air support.

Njorl,

I did the same thing, except with Max Blumenthal. I was never very good with names!

Seriously, its become clear that leading republicans just dont give a damn about human beings dying.

ignoring the 9/11 warnings.
Katrina,
body armor scandal.
invading Iraq (hey, one million dead iraqis!)
...
they just dont give a damn.

I remember Max Boot from the early 1990s, when he wrote a moronic column for UC Berkeley's Daily Californian. I had assumed that the generally leftist editors let him be the house conservative because he was such an obvious fool; certainly he was mocked a lot. I am astounded that this guy is taken seriously by anyone.

Max Boot of Boot Magna meets the characterization of the "Foreign Policy Community" (by commenter gr at Crooked Timber) as "professional warmongers".

The CFR has long been a welcoming home for Zionists and warmongers. It calls itself impartial, but of course it is anything but.


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