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31 Aug 2007 09:19 am

I appreciate Kevin's point that progressives shouldn't underestimate the objective political difficulty of taking some of the stands we'd like to see people take. The other side of this, though, is that nervous Democrats seem to me to consistently overrate the political advantages of caving in. Matt Stoller has a great example here in Jason Altmire. He's a freshman Democrat in a district that leans slightly Republican -- a promising pickup opportunity for the GOP. So Altmire wants to be cautious. He went to Iraq, saw the propaganda show there, and returned proclaiming "The president has made the decision to continue the mission at its current level, and I am never going to vote to withhold funding to our brave men and women when they are out in the field of battle serving in harm's way."

Has this led the Pennsylvania GOP to laud Altmire as a hero of the Terrorists' War on Us? Of course not. He's a freshman Democrat in a vulnerable district, so here he is being fiercely attacked as a an advocate of "surrender," a proponent of "retreat and defeat," and of backing a "slow-bleed strategy to choke-off funding for the troops in harm's way."

Given the nature of the situation, if Altmire's position was to the left of where it is, he would have to weather these potentially damaging attacks. But he could also punch back against his attackers as proposing to give a blank check to an incompetent and unpopular president. He could defend the case for withdrawal on the merits, and complaining about wasting the lives of America's young men and the vast resources of our country on the president's ego trip. Maybe it would work. Maybe it wouldn't work. But the line Altmire's taken hasn't spared him from the attacks he's worried about. Instead, it's only made it harder for him to fight back against the attacks he got.

And that's the way it goes. If a guy like Joe Lieberman whose seat the GOP couldn't possibly take wants to shift right then, sure, the Republicans will hail him. But it's the people with vulnerable seats who are most inclined to do this stuff but it doesn't convince the Republicans to lay off -- they're not idiots, they go for the low-hanging fruit, not the politicians with the most objectively un-conservative voting record (Democrats unclear on this concept can probably ask Jim Leach for a primer since he's got spare time on his hands these days).

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Right. I mean, who cares how conservative a Democrat actually is? The Republicans could make James Dobson out to be a lefty if it suited their purposes. This is American politics in the 20th century; reference to the real world is irrelevant.

And I know I say this alot... but when everyone is expected to vote and govern politically, instead of according to their beliefs, the project of democracy has be undermined.

Ah, twenty-first century

But the line Altmire's taken hasn't spared him from the attacks he's worried about. Instead, it's only made it harder for him to fight back against the attacks he got.

I seem to recall that Rove attacked an opposing candidate in some sorta-Southern state by claiming the candidate was a pedophile. I wouldn't have thought that nailing the odd 14 year-old was the cure. Sometimes there are times when you just have to minimize risk and otherwise grin and bear it.

Well, the other thing is that dog and pony shows are actually really effective at swaying the beliefs of their target audiences -- i.e., traveling congressmen. These guys get put inside a bubble of American military might for four days and fed a constant stream of self-reinforcing happy music. That experience has got be pretty convincing. It's hard enough for most people to tune out the garbage of a standard right-wing propaganda offensive, like the one that's been conducted over the past two months in the US. Think how much harder it is to be immersed in the belly of the beast and come out with any sense of perspective. I think we have to keep in mind the extent to which the visit probably actually did sway Altmire's views.

It also doesn't help that we probably have no/a handful of Congresspeople who speak Arabic. Even if they weren't shuttled around Iraq by the US military, they probably couldn't get around the country and figure out the word on the street.

If I were a Democratic congressman, I'd try to visit Iraq on a tour arranged by the McClatchy newswire correspondents. Or Damien Cave. Then you might actually come out with a feel for what's going on.

The issues Kevin is dealing with primarily concern FISA and wiretapping and Constitutional stuff, while the issues Matt is dealing with are more invasion-related. I think the former issues are tougher for Democrats than the latter.

If you figure out what in the best interest of the American people -- and insist on arguing in those terms -- then the GOP is crippled. Because past history and the facts show that they have been a disaster for this country.

One greatly malign effect of Democratic cravenness is that it allows the GOP to escape judgment --and harsh punishment --for its past
acts. The GOP has escaped much of the blame they deserve for Iraq ,for example, by pointing out that Democratic cowards also voted to approve the invasion.

In that case, Neil, it's all the more ludicrous that there is no solid bloc of Democrats calling for us to get the hell out of Iraq as fast as logistics and self-defense permits.

As a contingency plan, Democrats need to think about how they're going to phrase their responses to an administration first strike against Iran. If Iran responds by launching an all-out war against the US, and there are substantial American casualties, it will be impossible to concoct a carefully calibrated stance calling for a cessation of hostilities, etc. "We call for Americans in this difficult hour to be pussies" will win no arguments. On the other hand, "The President of the United States has lost his sanity. We are introducing articles of impeachment" might win the argument.

What so many Democrats don't seem to understand is that if they take normal progressive positions, the right-wing noise machine will hate them, and if they take "centrist," GOP-approved positions, the right-wing noise machine will hate them slightly less. But they'll still hate you.

Sometimes there are times when you just have to minimize risk and otherwise grin and bear it.

And I guess that "sometime" has been pretty much continuously since this Congress was sworn in.

Assuming we don't launch a bigger catastrophe in Iran between now and then (lots of Democratic risk minimizing going on in that department), it'll be mordantly amusing to see the dismay from followers of the Jackass when Harry & Nan decide that health care reform is another area that requires "caution". That's why they'll need you to send even more money in 2010 (12, 14, 16....).

What so many Democrats don't seem to understand...

How many times have you typed or read that sentence regarding Iraq and the democrats?

I feel sort of low and dirty defended the intelligence of the elected ones, but it's not a question of stupidity or politics. It's what's side of the bread their butter is on, and that's why their version of an Iraq policy is a Malaki coup.


Can a politician call themselves a 'lefty' proudly? Why not?

'Leftwing and Proud'

good post but, er, "America's young men"?

Ahh- a pragmatic defense for standing up for what you believe in. I have a better idea:

In an issue of war and peace, vote your conscience. If you can't convince the voters, they can elect someone else and you can get a private sector job.

Anyone who does differently is more interested in a long political career than in questions where (someone else's) life hangs in the balance. Why anyone would have sympathy for the competing pressures of "long political career" v. "ending a horrible and destructive war which I, in good faith, don't believe will improve" is beyond me.

No- I've got no sympathy for those who ran on "A New Direction in Iraq" and, upon going to Congress, want to speak in hushed tones of competing pressure while they give in on every Iraq-related bill. If you're too cowardly to govern, you don't need a majority...

Re "If you're too cowardly to govern, you don't need a majority..."
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I strongly concur. Especially when the cost of cowardice is 3500+ American lives. Not counting all those guys lying in VA hospitals who are crippled for life and relying on medical care from a government that Bush is leaving $10 TRILLION in debt.

You want to understand Congress? Go and look at this Youtube of CONGRESSMAN Larry Craig denying on TV in 1982 that he tried to have homosexual relationships with Congressional pages:
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZXaaFbo6Oo&NR=1 --Larry Craig
comes on at 2:25

Notice the convincing aura of indignation?

Gore Vidal --whose father was a Senator -- described it best in his novel "Burr" , when he
recounts a character meeting a Member of Congress:

"He gazed at me with such a look of sincerity that I instantly knew I was in the presence of a truly deceitful man."

Gore Vidal's grandfather was a senator, his father was an aviation official under Roosevelt

"the right-wing noise machine will hate them slightly less"

I don't think they even get this slight benefit. There is nothing short of a complete Lieberman that will assuage them.


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