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25 Aug 2007 12:26 pm

Someone at The Washington Post editorial pages decided that despite the fact that Michael O'Hanlon (PDF) "has appeared on the major television networks more than 150 times since September 11, 2001 and has contributed to CNN, MSNBC, BBC, and FOX some 300 times over that same period" that what the world needs is more media exposure for Michael O'Hanlon. Thus, they gave him the chance to respond to his critics.

Now, were I an editor I might well have done the same thing. Certainly, at this point it's a newsworthy exercise. So, yeah, I would have given him the space. Given it to him, that is, were he inclined to actually address the substance of the criticisms that have been raised. But we don't get that. On the much-disputed issue of Iraqi civilian casualties he simply reiterates that "the Pentagon showed us data illustrating that overall death tallies from all forms of sectarian violence were down about one-third from last winter's average." People have suggested that this should be seasonally adjusted. O'Hanlon has no response. What's more, while O'Hanlon says he's seen the data, the Pentagon hasn't released it to the public for scrutiny. Leila Fadel reported earlier this month for McClatchey that "U.S. officials say the number of civilian casualties in the Iraqi capital is down 50 percent. But U.S. officials declined to provide specific numbers, and statistics gathered by McClatchy Newspapers don't support the claim."

Does it seem plausible that the Department of Defense has really solid, favorable data about its own activities that it's keeping hidden from public scrutiny? Not to me.

And it's on like that. Thousands of words have been spilled criticizing his New York Times op-ed and he hasn't responded to a single one of them. He's just re-iterating his views in a new venue, and though he says this "would be a sad time to conclude we have been defeated," he also concedes that "our strategy for Iraq probably cannot work absent major national political cooperation across sectarian lines." But if our strategy probably can't succeed, then this seems like an ideal time to conclude that we should abandon our strategy. There's no such thing as a non-sad time to admit you've failed, after all.

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It is telling that his main points, i.e. (a)lower Iraqi civilian fatality rates, (b) better Counterinsurgency tactics, (c)improved Iraqi forces, and (d) improved Iraqi reconstruction, only one is based on 'his' facts, and, therefore, subject to valid criticism. Others are just his own judgments and therefore immune to any attempts by the critics to refute him on a concrete basis.


Is it standard for Ivy League schools to produce such intellectually dishonest scholars?

What I want to know is: What is the Opportunity '08 project? Did anyone see it at the end of the op-ed?


As far as the editorial is concerned, O'Hanlon is just a dishonest hack. How people like him aren't openly mocked and banished to exile, I don't know.

O'Hanlon writes: ...with several big ideas for transforming Iraq's politics still untested.

Of course he doesn't identify these "big ideas" nor describe why they might succeed any more than the other "big ideas" that have been floated in neocon think tanks for the last four and a half years. What's "sad" is the fact that thousands of Iraqi and U.S. lives will be sacrificed on the off chance that some "untested" strategies for making Iraqi politics more cohesive are going to work.

It may be a sad time to admit defeat, but it certainly is high time.

Is it standard for Ivy League schools to produce such intellectually dishonest scholars?

Yes.

There's no such thing as a non-sad time to admit you've failed, after all.

well, if you're Bush, it's after 1/20/09... or, probably, never.

O'Hanlon has done what I like to call the reverse ad hominem: accuse others of attacking you, not your argument, so you can attack them, not their argument. Classic.

Sure, all that is true Matt but he makes a lot more money than you and his prospects are infinitely brighter in that regard going forward.

Not only that he will be a player. He will be creating the reality while you blovate about the past from behind the back benches. I'm sure you know all that however and are comfortable with it.

Is it standard for Ivy League schools to produce such intellectually dishonest scholars?

Yes.

Ann Coulter went to Cornell and devalues my Big Red degree a little bit every time she opens her mouth.

Heck, Bill Kristol was magna cum laude at Harvard. It might as well be a clown college.

Man, why are there still no takers on the O'Hanlon primary? All of the Democratic candidates should publicly repudiate this hack.

Well at least he is not from Yale or Bart Giammati would be rolling in his grave.

I thought the whole point of being a rapier was, you know, to be sharp. Trust trollville to produce the world's dullest rapier for our delectation.

These assertions by O'Hanlon remind me of the times when Nixon insisted he had a "secret plan" to get us out of Asia, but he just couldn't tell us what it was. Totally meaningless.

'Dog and pony show' is Sen. Webb's description of the Iraq trips. O'Hanlon's network of the off the record military officer contacts are all well aware that he and Gen. Petraeus are buddies who went to Princeton together. Could a Major or Colonel you tell O'Hanlon that Iraq was a clusterf*ck and reasonably expect the news not to get back to Petraeus? Also no mention of Anthony Cordesman's dissent from the same trip.

More from O'Hanlon: "Our assessments are based on our observations as well as on years of study." Huh? We've ALL had years of study of the Iraq situation. It's the #1 story in the news and has been every day for 4 years. You didn't spend years of study studying Iraq you asshat. Years of study my ass. O'Hanlon is a stump dumb SOB who would be better off spending his days playing Risk. "I've found the best strategy is to start by trying to take Asia" loses a bunch of plastic pieces. O'Hanlon on Iraq is getting people killed.

Boy, REPUGS sure love the word "SECRET"!! Whether it be spying on American citizens, keeping foreign and American citizens in SECRET prisons after their SECRET renditions, or just having the SECRET plan to win after 5 years of unbelievable screwups.

Forget transparency, or even common sense from these warhawks; all they do is LIE to us about how their SECRET projects are all SECRET for our own protection!!

Boy, REPUGS sure love the word "SECRET"!! Whether it be spying on American citizens, keeping foreign and American citizens in SECRET prisons after their SECRET renditions, or just having the SECRET plan to win after 5 years of unbelievable screwups.

Forget transparency, or even common sense from these warhawks; all they do is LIE to us about how their SECRET projects are all SECRET for our own protection!!

Remember the days when we bragged about our "open" government and we use to abuse Russia about all their "State's SECRETS"? Well it looks like today that the pot is calling the kettle black!

"the Pentagon showed us data illustrating that overall death tallies from all forms of sectarian violence were down about one-third from last winter's average."

Economic data published by the government and the Federal Reserve System is routinely seasonally adjusted to eliminate seasonal fluctuations so that the overall changes are not obscured by them, and the data here should be given the same treatment.

What is relevant if one uses data for a period of time less than a year is how the data for the current period compares with the data for the SAME PERIOD in the previous years. Comparing the data in the Brookings Iraq Index for June/July 2007 with June/July 2006, the situation in Iraq has gotten significantly WORSE. While the surge may have improved the situation in a limited number of areas in Iraq, for the country as a whole, things have gotten worse from a year ago. Conclusion: the surge has failed to improve the military situation for the country as a whole.

"More from O'Hanlon: "Our assessments are based on our observations as well as on years of study."

Those observations and years of study resulted in O'Hanlon urging the United States to get into this quagmire.

People who get important things wrong should not be listened to, no matter how much studying they have done.

"U.S. officials say the number of civilian casualties in the Iraqi capital is down 50 percent."

U.S. officials also said that Iraq had weapons of mass distruction. At this point everything that U.S. officials say must be treated with a bucket of salt.

"Not only that he will be a player. He will be creating the reality while you blovate about the past from behind the back benches. I'm sure you know all that however and are comfortable with it."


Then why do the wise men in the Beltway pundit establishment have their panties in such a bunch about the evils of the blogoshere and its "harmful effects" on the public discourse? The blogosphere is making life increasingly uncomfortable for the establishment pundits because it keeps exposing their gross incompetence. The beltway pudits clearly are very uncomfortable about this. And every year the blogoshere gets more influential.

He is the Director of Research at the Saban Center of the Brookings Institute. The Saban Center is named for the entertainment mogul Haim Saban who created, in concert with Fox, Fox Kids channel, later sold to Disney. What did Saban write in the Huffington Post about Iraq a few years ago? That we need a few more F.U.s:

What is happening in Iraq is much more an issue of Sunni and Shiite conflict than it is about America. Decade-long conflicts have been reawakened. Whether we should act like a police state is a legitimate question for us to ask. If we don't build military bases, and we leave Iraq, what kind of chaos would ensue? This is no longer about whether we should have gone to war or not, it’s about what’s the right thing to do now that we are there.

He isn't re-iterating HIS views. O'Pollackhan is just reflecting the views of the man who signs their paychecks, which, if you think about it, is perfectly normal.

Dan Kervick in an earlier thread and cali above cut to the heart of the matter;

All of the criticism about O'Pollockhan being delusional or intellectually dishonest is a wasted of time.

These guys are being paid to write this stuff. They are media pawns of the FU lobby and the administration. The speed at which all of the surge proponents ran to site the first op-ed should have been a clear sign that these guys were a prop.

Jim Hudson:
Did you see Conrad Burns last fall? He was another guy with a "secret" plan.

O'Hanlon the deceiver, also said that utility output is no better than it was during Saddam. The reality is that there is no tie, utility output is far worse now than it was during Saddam.

Flounder -

You fundamentally mis-understand that particular rhetorical device. You see, Coke is no better than Pepsi, Bush is no better than Reagan, cancer is no better than acne and Hitler is no better than Mother Theresa.

While Matt has fine work analyzing the flaws in O'Hanlon's analysis I still do not understand why he avoids the central issue - O'Hanlon is a liar.

He lies about being a war and Surge critic.

If he lied about that, why should we trust any of his observations?

Did you see Conrad Burns last fall? He was another guy with a "secret" plan

Oddly I believe the 'fire Rumsfield' plan did exist when he said that.

The part about not responding to the real criticism directed at him is just infuriating. At least on Democracy Arsenal, we can engage one wing of the Very Serious People, albeit at an oddly childish level. On the WaPo site, there are pages of comments, most of which call O'Hanlon out as a failure and an incompetent, but he ignores those people (I'm on page 4, I think). On one occasion when he faced a knowledgeable person, Glenn Greenwald, he wound up looking foolish (read the entire transcript), and then backed away from his admissions immediately. When a caller to Tom Ashbrook raised that interview, O'Hanlon dismissed Greenwald out of hand, calling him a blogger who already had more than his share of the spotlight. We don't govern ourselves anymore. We are governed by incompetents who inhabit every institution in society.

Oops, mispelled my own handle. Does this site not remember personal info?

Ooops, misspelled misspelled.

On one occasion when he faced a knowledgeable person, Glenn Greenwald, he wound up looking foolish (read the entire transcript), and then backed away from his admissions immediately. When a caller to Tom Ashbrook raised that interview, O'Hanlon dismissed Greenwald out of hand, calling him a blogger who already had more than his share of the spotlight. We don't govern ourselves anymore. We are governed by incompetents who inhabit every institution in society.

The Greenwald interview occurred to me when Matt said "thousands of words have been spilled criticizing his New York Times op-ed and he hasn't responded to a single one of them." Strictly speaking that is not true at all. O'Hanlon responded at length to Greenwald's questions and criticisms, courteously and disarmingly, and conceded point after point.

And yet what is what so disconcerting about the ongoing O'Hanlon phenomenon. It seems that O'Hanlon's attitude is that he is just going to continue lying, distorting and exaggerating out there in the extra-blogular world and there isn't a fucking thing Glenn Greenwald or any other blogger can do about it. He can get away with blatant disdain for the truth, and two conflicting stories, because there are still two distinct information cultures.

Man, why are there still no takers on the O'Hanlon primary? All of the Democratic candidates should publicly repudiate this hack.

O'Hanlon's identified himself as a Hillary Clinton supporter on Fox News, so unless her campaign tells me otherwise, she counts as the de facto loser of the O'Hanlon Primary.

He can get away with blatant disdain for the truth, and two conflicting stories, because there are still two distinct information cultures.

I suspect that they're less distinct than you think.

"And yet what is what so disconcerting about the ongoing O'Hanlon phenomenon. It seems that O'Hanlon's attitude is that he is just going to continue lying, distorting and exaggerating out there in the extra-blogular world and there isn't a fucking thing Glenn Greenwald or any other blogger can do about it. He can get away with blatant disdain for the truth, and two conflicting stories, because there are still two distinct information cultures."

Right on, you hit it exactly correct again.

It's not so much that there are two distinct "information cultures" - there are two distinct SOCIAL cultures: the freaks who support Bush - and everybody else.

Maybe three, if you count the (probably majority) of US clowns who don't follow any of this and don't care as long as their gas price or their taxes aren't too high to let them have their summer vacation.

As for the overall attitude that "nobody can do a fucking thing about it", that is EXACTLY the attitude that virtually everybody in the Bush administration has - especially Bush himself and Cheney, and all the neocons, and all the Zionists.

And what ARE we going to do about it? Elect Clinton? Elect Obama?

Whoo-hoo...

By that time, we'll be knee-deep in a war with Iran - and does anybody think Clinton or Obama will have the nerve to pull out from that when the Iranians are killing US troops in bleeding batches in Iraq and Iran and the Repubs and the VFW are accusing them of "not supporting the troops"?

Face it - there ISN'T anything we can do BUT blog about it!

The Afghan war is a done deal. The Iraq war is a done deal. The Iran war is a done deal. The Syria and Lebanon war is a done deal.

Did ANYBODY do ANYTHING to stop Iraq and Afghanistan? Did they SUCCEED?

So what makes anybody think we're going to stop the next one?

The bottom line is O'Hanlon's research is inconvenient for the anti-war left, more-so because he has been a consistent critic of the Bush Administration. I think this more than anything explains the intense vitriol hurled at him by that same anti-war left.

The netroots are collectively facing a grim fact- the CW on Iraq is changing, and the US public will take a dim view of Democrats 'pulling the rug' out from under our troops when things are finally going well. The Democrats on the Hill have shown more tendency to react to the average American than the average KosKid.

Is it time for that far-left split into their own party yet? Just a matter of time, I'd think, because the netroots doesn't like to be crossed or ignored, and their impotent wailing falling on the deaf ears of the Democrats in Congress is going to demand action- if its one thing the netroots does have, its vengeful pride.

And O'Hanlon and his ilk are their enemies for just this reason. The best measure of how they've "crashed the gates" is how far they can push the Dems against the war. So far, not too much. And it looks like it will be less and less, now that the surge is working, by consensus.

"The netroots are collectively facing a grim fact- the CW on Iraq is changing..."

Yes, and the CW about this war has been so terribly accurate about from the beginning. right?

"And it looks like it will be less and less, now that the surge is working, by consensus."

Whose consensus would that be? Oh, yeah - "experts" like O'Hanlon and the other administrationa apologists who have been the source of the completely faulty "CW" so far.

Darcy, are you really so ignorant and naive that you swallow the administration's line so easily in the face of facts on the ground and their astoundingly consistent record of lying to the American public about this war? BTW, I'm selling a bridge - the price is a steal - you seem like the ideal buyer...

The whole purpose of the surge was to give the Iraqi government time and breathing space in order so that they may work out their problems and become legitimate. Any result of the surge that does not include a national reconcilliation and improvement in the political situation is a failure, no matter what the military "success" of the surge is. There is a (possibly apocraphal) story about a post war meeting between US and Vietnamese officers. The American officer said, "You know, you never beat us in the field." The Vietnamese officer responded, "That is true, but it is irrelevant."

The bottom line is O'Hanlon's research is inconvenient for the anti-war left

The bottom line is that the word "research" is inconvenient for those like "O'Hanlon."

O'Hanlon's output may be termed a number of things, but "research" is not one of them, any more than my off-hand conversations with co-workers and occasional visits to malls counts as "market research".

People like O'Hanlon use scholarly terms like "research", or "investigation", or "study", not because they actually apply to their jaunts and write-ups, but because they understand that the unskeptical news producers will believe them.

Darcy Lane is funny. Should be in stand up! Having a scientific degree, that line about "O'hanlon's research" really floored me! ROFLMAO! Wish I could have used that one! Really professor I got a tour of the lab from the grad assistant. Shouldn't that count as my research? hehe Great one darcy! You probably have a science degree also and your satirizing right?

And that "puling the rug out", that is great! Reminds people of who "pulled the armor out" from under the troops! You know, their "supporters"! Hilarious!

And the subtle coding..."And O'Hanlon and his ilk are their enemies for just this reason" how easily it spills over to the satirized truth "O'Hanlon and his ilk are the enemies of reason" Brilliant!

And describing the netroots with the "vengeful pride" that is the calling card of neocons and Bushies everywhere! Just exceptional in the way it brings out their unending projection of their own evil qualities onto anyone who disagrees. You the bomb, man! I don't think anyone could have better brought into our awareness all of the problems with the conservative movement than that biting little piece of satire you posted. Bravo! We need more of that kind of writing that really blares their emotionality, penchant for projection, and disregard for the facts. Thank you. The left needs to see more pure satire like yours that really encapsulates the psychologic problems of those on the right.
Thanks again, man. And keep up the good work!

Darcy's work really shows us what we are up against. What scientist isn't going to be laughed out of the room for claiming that his years of experience make him certain that some tiny bit of data that contradicts all the other data must be right? The earth must be flat! Why look at this picture I received from the military just today from Oklahoma! They've softened up the populus on the evils of critical thought (as Darcy so skillfully shows us) that people will believe this stuff and conclude we're finally making progress How pitiful.

And, apparently, Mr O'Hanlon's years of experience haven't taught him how to evaluate the source of data with unlikely implications. I think Darcy points out this level of dishonesty. Maybe his "education" consisted merely of a tour of the college campus? Maybe we should check to see if he actually attended any classes? Maybe his time there consisted of only brief guided tours and arranged interviews before quickly returning to the safety of the Rathskeller! This would explain a lot!

What scientist isn't going to be laughed out of the room for claiming that his years of experience make him certain that some tiny bit of data that contradicts all the other data must be right? The earth must be flat! Why look at this picture I received from the military just today from Oklahoma!

Not only spot on, but my first good laugh this morning.

I imagine this in the voice of Professor Farnsworth, of Futurama fame.

When a person pointedly fails to engage valid critiques it is a tacit admission that they were wrong. For O'Hanlon to go on spouting the same crap he's already been called on means he is simply a liar.


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