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The Conservation of Chait

22 Aug 2007 10:11 am

One of the fundamental laws of political punditry is that for every post praising Jon Chait on domestic issues, an equal and oppose post must attack his views on foreign policy. To wit, his TRB column about Bill Kristol's shameful and dishonest attacks on TNR and its editors. His critique is sound, but his framing of the issue is way off. Here's the first graf:

It's hard to believe that, not so long ago, neoconservative foreign policy thinking overflowed with ideas and idealism. The descent has been steep, and nowhere is it more apparent than in the pages of The Weekly Standard--particularly in William Kristol's editorials, which have come to consist of stubborn denials of any bad news, diatribes about internal enemies, and harangues against the cowardice of Republican dissenters.

And here's the penultimate one:

There was a time when neoconservatives sought to hold the moral and intellectual high ground. There was some- thing inspiring in their vision of America as a different kind of superpower--a liberal hegemon deploying its might on behalf of subjugated peoples, rather than mere self-interest. As the Iraq war has curdled, the idealism and liberalism have drained out of the neoconservative vision. What remains is a noxious residue of bullying militarism. Kristol's arguments are merely the same pro-war arguments that have been used historically by right-wing parties throughout the world: Complexity is weakness, dissent is treason, willpower determines all.

But this is silly -- neither Kristol nor The Weekly Standard has changed. It's just that The New Republic used to join up with neoconservatives to bully people who disagree with its foreign policy views and now TNR is being bullied. It wasn't The Weekly Standard that this article calling John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt un-American. Nor was in The Weekly Standard that published this article about how liberals don't want to invade Iraq because they don't like advancing America's interests. Nor was it The Weekly Standard that analogized MoveOn to Stalin-controlled Communist agents.

Seeing criticism of Kristol's tactics is great, but this is just a new target not a new game for Kristol.

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not so long ago, neoconservative foreign policy thinking overflowed with ideas and idealism

a liberal hegemon deploying its might on behalf of subjugated peoples, rather than mere self-interest

This is a neat little way of absolving yourself of any responsibility for happily buying a ton of horseshit. See, it's false now, but it was true when I believed it! The neocons were altruistic, but now, only after becoming embittered, have they turned into cynical warmongers.

Besides which, I think he seems to make the neocons of yore out to be bigger sweethearts than even they would have claimed. What neocon ever even pretended to wave aside the idea of American self-interest?

Shorter Chait: The neocons' offer to me of the Brooklyn Bridge for just $1000 was a fantastic deal, though since then some problems have arisen.

Chait makes a difference between a fake thug and a real thug in his description of Kristol. He doesn't find a distinction, but even so it's giving Kristol too much benefit of the doubt. Kristol's a hoodlum.

I dunno...Chait's formulation seems quite reasonable to me. All of the criticism of it seems to stem from either irritation at TNR or disbelief that Kristol's intentions were ever anything but malign.

But Chait's point stands on its own quite apart from these issues. To the extent that neocon foreign policy ever had a logic or appeal, they stemmed from a rhetorical marriage of strength and idealism. Given that America still seems to be very much in the grip of a neocon fantasy, it bears pointing out that not just the reality but also the rhetoric of Iraq is in tatters.

It was the neocons hero Daniel Patrick Moynihan that helped block UN action against the fascist Suharto's invasion of East Timor that killed off a huge portion of the local population, which we did in the name of raison d'etat. Neoconservatism has only reached some state of high ideals in the post-neocon writings of Fukuyama, who sounds more like a postmodern constructivist-liberal than a neocon. Neoconservatism is more about wedding a Leninist-Trotskyite worldview, especially the idea that the vanguard can't ever be wrong, hypocritical or imperialist, to liberal democracy and believing that revolutionary violence is a great force of history with a dose of nationalistic posturing thrown in to distract the people who don't know what communist-style argumentation looks like beyong "US sucks."

Dude, can't the Atlantic afford a Chinese prison laborer to copy edit your posts?

MY is right but still I am happy to see people challenge Bill Kristol's mendacity.

Problem with Kristol is not that he is a lying, delusional neocon dead ender. Problem is the MSM celebrates him as a foreign policy expert. He is everywhere. Not just Murdoch organs like Weekly Substandard, FOX but also writes for the WP and Time and is treated like he is Socrates.

William Kristol is not a pundit. He is a neocon apparatchick, no different from Soviet era propagandists for the Communist Party. It is time people stopped treating him like an expert on foreign policy. Or anything. The guy is a propagandist.

Reality Man is right. Unless what is called 'neo-conservatism' now is entirely discontinuous with the neo-conservatism then, talk of idealism is perfectly absurd. A couple of decades ago the neo-cons were happy to line up behind any authoritarian right wing government or movement against any left-wing one, all of which were viewed through a single lens as limbs of monolithic communism. This meant supporting appalling people in Argentina, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaraugua... One of their favorite arguments was that communist governments--using 'communist' in a very undiscriminating way--could never be changed once installed. (Jeanne K.) The evidence was supposed middle Europe, where of course, communist governments stayed in power only because of the presence of Soviet troops. Then along came 1989.

It's claimed that Wolfowitz played an important part convincing the first Bush to allow Marcos to be booted out in the Philippines. If so, good, but that, so far as I know, is the one idealistic thing the neo-cons can take credit for (and I'd like to know where W. stood on, say, Nicaragua).

I need to print out this post and refer to it whenever I'm tempted to go back to subscribing to TNR.

Wow. A pissing contest between established hack Kristol, and up-and-coming hack Chait.

But this is all beside the point, which is that TNR ran the literary imaginings of a wannabe Hemingway as though they were an eye-witness report and now refuses to acknowledge the fact. This is bad regardless of anyone's position on the Iraq, Pat Moynihan or the jealousies of small magazines.

A comment over at QandO:

Speaking of PVT Beauchamp.
I checked out his AKO account back when he first introducted himself. I found
that he was listed as a PV2 and much was made of the fact by others that he had
been a PFC but must have been busted to PV2 prior to his journey into journalism.
I checked his AKO information a few days ago. It still lists his unit as 1/18th
however his rank is now listed as PV1.
So that, at least to me, answers the question of what punishment he got. Looks like an ART 15, reduction in rank to PV1, and who knows if he got extra duty or loss of any more pay.

It appears from this that the "wannabe Hemingway" got busted down a rank.


Neo writes of Scott Thomas Beauchamp: "Looks like an ART 15, reduction in rank to PV1, and who knows if he got extra duty or loss of any more pay." Beauchamp should count himself lucky.

The BBC reported earlier this month that Cpl. Trent Thomas received a reduction in rank and a dishonorable discharge. Trent Thomas was given an enhanced punishment, not for talking out of school to the Nation magazine, but because he was found guilty of conspiracy to murder and kidnapping. Where is all the outrage in The Weekly Standard about the US not holding war criminals accountable for their crimes.

Whatever the mistakes of Scott Thomas Beauchamp they are utterly trivial in comparison with the crimes of Cpl. Trent Thomas.


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