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The Republican Precedent

26 Aug 2007 03:25 pm

Naturally, I find myself in agreement with Steve Benen's take on David Broder's latest outburst of third party enthusiasm. I feel like it's worth mentioning here how little time third party enthusiasts ever seem to spend thinking about the rise of the Republican Party -- the only actual precedent for anything of the sort. They often seem to talk as if Abraham Lincoln was just some kind of somewhat disaffected dude sitting around somewhere with this really insightful speech about a how divided against itself, threw his hat in the ring, and -- bam! -- tired old Whig and Democrat ideologies are shunted aside in favor of a bold new era of pragmatism and bloody civil war.

One can't do justice to the actual origins of the Republican Party in a blog post, but suffice it to say that it didn't work like that. The history of meaningful third party anti-slavery politics goes back to the abolitionists' Liberty Party in 1840. They later moderated their agenda somewhat, added the support of many breakaway anti-slavery Democrats, and became the Free Soil Party starting in 1848. This party had some very substantial adherents, but still didn't do very well. Then, as the national debate over slavery grew ever-more-intense, breakaway anti-slavery Whigs joined the movement that was now further reconfigured as the Republican Party. This new party did well enough to become a "second party," polling 33 percent while the Whigs got just 21.5 percent. With the Whigs on the wane, more support flowed to the surging Republicans this time around, but even so Lincoln only got 39 percent of the vote in 1860 and won only because the Democratic Party fell apart with 30 percent of the population supporting its northern faction and 18 percent supporting its southern faction.

It's very hard to imagine something like that happening in the United States, but more to the point it just can't happen overnight or in a top-down way. The Republican Party had senators, members of the house, governors, etc. in its ranks before it won the presidency -- it was a real political party put together with much effort over a couple of decades.

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Well Sam Nunn wants to join up with the non partisan party.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/040956.php

The great dream of Jefferson and Washington and many of the Founders was that parties and factions would not take hold. Evidence that even these really smart guys had a soft spot in their heads about human nature in relation to power. Need I say it? OK, I'll say it, David Broder is no Thomas Jefferson. Sam Nunn is no George Washington.

So we can forgive the old coot I suppose but can't we put him out to pasture?

And the Republicans REPLACED the Whigs, since they had a whiggish agenda. Unity threatens to replace nobody, being a third party for inside the beltway people.

Ross Perot had a chance to pull the hat trick off but it didn't work out.

m, it could have but just didn't

You are absolutely correct that changes like these do not come about overnight, and it is a point worth remembering. Capturing the Presidency does not much matter if you are the lone representative of a political platform. This, I suspect, is one reason for the long-standing duopoly in American politics.

Without a "party-boundary-crossing" issue of the same strength as abolishing slavery, though, where does the opening come from? One possible one is "recovery of the American economy" - restoration of a solid manufacturing base, return to quality, workers who can (as with Henry Ford's initiative in 1915) "afford to buy the products they build". There are so many messes to clean up: the hollowing-out of local production, the soon-to-be-unaffordable sprawl, the pseudo-service economy's collapse, and so on. Starting at a state level and building up would both build the necessary base for future success and create demonstrations of how to apply the ideas on offer in various settings.

That said, there really aren't multiple political philosophies on offer in the United States today - everything descends from Jacobin Liberalism, regardless of its current label - so it will be interesting to see if anything new actually can be made viable.

Great post, however: most people both in and outside the United States probably figure both parties go back to the Revolution, which they do not - and it's good to remember that. It gives hope for change.

Mr. Yglesias and Mr. Benen fail to appreciate the growing disdain for the existing political parties. As I have previously pointed out on this blog, Ross Perot got 19% of the vote in 1992 against major party candidates with rather lower negatives then most of the candidates so far in the running. Perot accomplished this feat even thought he was a political neophyte who was unable to attract a feasible vice presidential running mate. The fact of the matter is that Mr. Bloomberg is not a political neophyte, having won two elections as mayor of New York City (just like Mr. Guiliani) and Mr. Hagel is certainly a feasible vice presidential running mate. Thus it is clear that a Bloomberg/Hagal ticket running as an independent could very easily top the Perot showing, possibly winning enough states to throw the election into the House of Representatives. For instance, imagine if a Bloomberg/Hagel ticket was endorsed by California governor Schwarzenegger? Under those circumstances, I could easily see such a ticket carrying New York and California and attracting enough disgruntled Republican voters in some red state to throw a few of those states to the Democrats. I would agree that a Bloomberg/Hagel victory would be a very long shot but sometimes even long shots win horse races.

Matt, great great great great post.

Another way to look at it BTW, and one I will do, is as the fall of thw WHIG Party, whose outlook was positively Broderian.

It will be fun. Will do it now.

One of your best posts.

Thanks very much for it.

To me it has seemed that the root of this thing of the "Unity" nonsense is that people who are frustrated that now, some Democrats are acting like Democrats instead of business-led Republicans, wow, we really got to do something to make those more independent and populist Democrats look like extremists.

Just because it has been a while does not exclude the possibility of a third party emerging. The money set-up makes it very diffcult but a real (or perceived) crisis might overcome that.

Ditto for groups like AIPAC. Enemies accumulate over time, allies get fed up, until finally the ground itself shifts. It can happen.

Nothing was more partisan than slavery-antislavery. The rise of the Republican party had its roots in a specific philosophy that engendered intense passion. It was far from just a rejection of the Whigs.

Even Ross Perot had deep convictions that touched the voters. Both Ralph Nader and this Unity08 business largely state that both parties suck and offer nothing worthy of passion. Unity08 may get votes from the disaffected, but they can never generate enthusiasm by espousing the mantra of anti-partisanship.

SLC:

dude, political operations require A LOT of infrastructural support. Like canvessors, political operatives, networks throughout the states to ensure access and compliability, media relations... now think of what people a third party syphons away from the two main parties: the disaffected, the undecided. Not exactly a bastion of energy to effect change through.

Re A different Matt

The fact is that Perot had enough money to address Mr. different Matts' objections. So does Bloomberg. The fact is that the disaffected and the undecided constitute as least as much of a fraction of the electorate as they did in 1992. In fact, that fraction is almost certainly greater now because there was not an unpopular divisive war going on in 1992.

Reasonable points Matt, but I think you discount the role that mass media could play in a re-shifting of the political landscape. As SLC notes above, Ross Perot's 19% in 92 was no fluke. Bloomberg, similarly, also has a lot of money. And the majority of Americans do not identify with either party.

I'd say the Bloomberg fantasy (were it to come to fruition) would favor the Dems, not unlike Perot in 92. If Bloomberg runs, he wouldn't capture many Dem votes beyond those who oppose Bush but are inclined to vote GOP. However, he could seriously wound the GOP in northern states and possibly make the difference in places like Florida and Ohio.

One last point to add... A major leader defecting from one of the big parties--like Roosevelt in 1912--could create or at least set the stage for a party landscape transformation. There are few such figures in American politics, but the example of Israel's Kadima underlines that it's perfectly possible.

Perot's 19% was no fluke? Well, it acrually was, as he ran again in 1996 and got 6%.

But even it it was not a fluke, what can Bloomberg accomplish with 19%?

He will win ZERO electoral votes and then that will be the end of Unity 08.

How are these comments addressing Matt's points?

Successful third parties embrace ideas that cannot break through in the existing parties. Thus, the Republican Party arose in response to the failure of the Whigs to deal with the slavery issue in a manner satisfactory to anti-slavery activists.

Typically, though, the agenda of successful third parties will get co-opted by one of the major parties once the requisite appeal of those positions is established. In this manner, the People's Party (the "Populists") and the Socialist Party later had the popular aspects of their agendas coopted by the Democratic Party, along with its constituencies. (To an extent it can be argued that Clinton co-opted the Perot concern with the deficit.)

What, pray tell, is the ideological agenda that would be promoted by a party of Michael Bloomberg and Chuck Hagel (or Sam Nunn for that matter)? A desire for politesse by a numb nuts like Broder is not exactly a compelling cause for a tectonic political shift.

I would also note that Democrats are by and large happy with the choices presented to them in the presidential race. I see no looming dissatisfaction among activists that is going to dislodge any of the traditional members of that consituency. Most of us are just frustrated that our majority is too thin in Congress at the moment to just shut this Administration down.

Obviously, you cannot do the history of the Republican Party in a blog comment, either, but I would make two comments.

The nascent Republican Party rather deftly co-opted the third-party, nativist "Know Nothings", which first formed in 1843 as the American Republican Party, renamed the American Party in 1845, and which scored big in several places in 1854-55. The leadership of the Republican Party was not sympathetic with the nativists on policy, but, particularly in Massachusetts, they took them over in short order. Lincoln, who secretly owned a German-language paper that promoted the Republican cause, rather skillfully co-opted a know-nothing mayor in what he wanted to be the Republican stronghold of Chicago. Lincoln was very skilful, too, in capturing temperance voters -- there was a Temperance Movement gathering steam and mixed in with the nativists.

MY: "won only because the Democratic Party fell apart" -- The Republicans' electoral college margin would have withstood any fusion among the three other candidates. Lincoln won only a plurality of the popular vote, but his electoral college victory was solid and unassailable.

Oddly, 1860 was a case, where third-party candidates (arguably two of them, a renegade Democrat and the "old Whig" Constitutional Union candidate), did not change the outcome.

The Republican Party's base in voter identification would be solidified in the election of 1864, when, as studies of the geographic voting pattern have shown, Lincoln was re-elected by essentially the same people voting Republican again.

Scott Kern, Klein's tiny left nut (what fun to write!), and chefrad make excellent points.

The two parties are so established that a third party probably couldn't emerge in one election cycle. I guess that's really all I'm saying.

I took issue with this part of SLC's original statement:

"Thus it is clear that a Bloomberg/Hagal ticket running as an independent could very easily top the Perot showing, possibly winning enough states to throw the election into the House of Representatives. For instance, imagine if a Bloomberg/Hagel ticket was endorsed by California governor Schwarzenegger?"

I'd like to point out that all this disdain of and support for comes disporportionately from one side of the political isle - just look at the ticket and endorsements in SLC's example.

Conservatives yearn for moderates. they'd rather build a third party than support democrats, so I suspect all this disdain over politics as usual is just poor sportsmanship. That says more about the state of affairs in the Republican party than it does about the state of American politics.

Re A different Matt

Mr. different Matt apparently hasn't been reading the left wing blogs, most of whom are greatly dissatisfied with the current Democratic front runner, Senator Clinton. I can see a lot of potential Democratic voters turning to a Bloomberg/Hagel ticket, especially as it is likely to be much more anti-Iraq war then is Senator Clinton.

Re Kleins' tiny left nut

If the Iraq war is the big issue in 2008, Bloomberg/Hagel makes a more credible anti-war ticket then Senator Clinton and whoever. Bloomberg doesn't have a track record on the war and Hagel has been dubious about it from the get go.

Re Amando

Mr. Amando is correct that 19% won't get the job done. However, for the reasons I stated, there is every expectation that Bloomberg/Hagel would do considerably better then that.

What is this phantom third party's agenda anyway? Usually third-party types are slightly to the left of the Democrats.

I think a lot of this of this Broderism is just the inability to admit that they're Democrats. They want a moderate left agenda but are afraid to come out of the closet and just be Democrats. I hate them for their gutlessness.

Along with what you said, and somewhat related to it, is something that doesn't seem to get mentioned very much in these types of discussions. The reason this sort of movement from the middle of the spectrum isn't likely to materialize is that its supporters would have to come from the center. Political participation in the form of direct involvement appears to be greatest as you move closer to the edges. That's why, for instance, nominees try to pander to the base to win the nomination: they have to win the support of those die hard liberals or conservatives. Maybe there's something about this that I am missing, but I can't imagine what it is.

SLC:

"Mr. different Matt apparently hasn't been reading the left wing blogs, most of whom are greatly dissatisfied with the current Democratic front runner, Senator Clinton."

True, but misleading. Just because we aren't happy with Clinton doesn't mean we aren't ecstatic about Edwards or Obama or Gravel. The democrats are full of moderates, what liberals pine for is less bipartisanship. too many democrats take ownership or provide credibility for crazy ideas in the name of consensus (which the lefty blogs call capitulation), like Lieberman, Clinton, and the blue dog types. It really makes no sense to expect liberals to peel off towards a third party.

I stand by my point: conservatives desire moderation, and their unwillingness to break with the two party system before supporting any democrats shows the roots of their pathology. They're simply not serious about change, as they want sanity without giving up their polarizing ways.

Brian: exactly.

Matt's account is more or less wrong. The Free Soil Party was completely unsuccessful, and had little to do with the later Republican Party, save that many leading Free Soilers became Republicans.

The basic issue is that after their disastrous defeat in the 1852 presidential election, the Whig Party more or less collapsed. Its southern and northern branches had become more or less irreconcilably estranged by the Compromise of 1850, and many of the deep south Whigs (Alexander Stephens and Robert Toombs, for instance) were in the process of switching over to the Democrats.

What happened then was the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which basically not only completely shattered the old Whig Party, which was already nearly moribund, anyway, but also shook a lot of anti-slavery Democrats loose from the party, which they began to see as fatally compromised by dependence on the slaveocracy. In the formerly largely Democratic states of the old Northwest, anti-slavery Democrats, Free Soilers, and Whigs joined together to create fusion tickets to fight the midterms. At the s ame time, though, the Whigs were elsewhere overwhelmed by nativist Know Nothings. In other places, notably in New York, where William H. Seward ran the still strong Whig Party, the Whigs held together.

In the border states and the south, former Whigs tended to embrace Know Nothingism as the new thing that would return them to electoral relevance.

At any rate, the political history of 1854-1855 is incredibly confused. You've got Know Nothings, Whigs, and proto-Republicans (sometimes calling themselves Republicans, sometimes not) all running against the Democrats. But eventually the Republicans emerge as the principal opposition party in the north. This partly has to do with Seward, as the most powerful remaining figure in institutional northern Whiggery, throwing in his lot with the Republicans. It also has to do with a sectional split among the Know Nothings - the northern Know Nothings end up, more or less, joining the Republicans in the course of 1856, and they ended up supporting Frémont, the Republican candidate.

Meanwhile, the southern Know Nothings, who had absorbed most of the old southern Whig organization (although they also included some former unionist Democrats, like Sam Houston or Andrew Jackson's nephew Andrew Jackson Donelson, the Know Nothing VP candidate in 1856), nominated former Whig president Millard Fillmore for their nomination.

By this time, the old Whig party was basically dead. There were a few old grey beard Whigs who met in 1856 and endorsed the Know Nothing ticket, but it is really quite wrong to say that the Republicans were competing against the Whigs in 1856. The Whigs were already dead in 1856, and the Republicans and Know Nothings were competing to replace them. In that year, the vast majority of former northern Whigs voted Republican. The Know Nothings were supported largely by former southern Whigs, although they also had some northern support.

SLC:

"Mr. different Matt apparently hasn't been reading the left wing blogs, most of whom are greatly dissatisfied with the current Democratic front runner, Senator Clinton."

True, but misleading. Just because we aren't happy with Clinton doesn't mean we aren't ecstatic about Edwards or Obama or Gravel. The democrats are full of moderates, what liberals pine for is less bipartisanship. too many democrats take ownership or provide credibility for crazy ideas in the name of consensus (which the lefty blogs call capitulation), like Lieberman, Clinton, and the blue dog types. It really makes no sense to expect liberals to peel off towards a third party.

I stand by my point: conservatives desire moderation, and their willingness to break with the two party system before supporting any democrats makes a mockery of their clammoring for a new way from polarization and wedge issues. They're simply not serious about change, as they want sanity without giving up their polarizing ways.

Brian: exactly.

To follow up what John said, the best treatment of the evolution of the current two party system I have seen is Sean Wilentz's The Rise of American Democracy. It is meticulously researched and written. Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin also does an excellent job of detailing the transition from the northern Whigs to becoming Republicans.

SLC,

If Iraq is the biggest issue, the Democrats are going to win even with Hillary at the top of the ticket. Although I am not her biggest fan, I can't imagine any Democrat abandoning her for a Chuck Hagel who is a very conservative Republican, despite his opposition to the war. As for Bloomberg, who is going to vote for him?

The notion of a third party of the center is highly unlikely -- so-called independents and swing voters are the least active, lowest information voters in Aemrica. The idea that they will sustain a new party is unthinkable.

Broder embodies the centrist mythology in U.S. politics: practical people, if only given the chance, could transcend mere ideology and address the real problems of the country. It's as if centrism isn't itself an ideology, with people like Broder mindlessly promoting it. And how you define the "real problems" of the country is itself an expression of ideology.

One person's "pragmatist" is another's partisan "ideologue." If centrists had prevailed in 1776 and 1860, the British monarch's image would still be on our coinage and the 13th amendment would've been delayed for a generation or more.

"The two parties are so established that a third party probably couldn't emerge in one election cycle. "

The truth is that, thanks to campaign 'reforms', the two current major parties are so entrenched that a third party can't emerge at all. Virtually everything that a new party would have to do to gain a serious foothold is illegal. Seriously: If somebody exactly followed in Perot's footsteps, they'd go to prison.

As any member of a third party can tell you, the political system in this country is extremely hostile to third parties, just barely tolerating their mere existence.

Let us say that, hypothetically, the Republican party implodes Whig style. It would not be in the interest of the Democratic party to let it be supplanted by a more competitive successor. Instead it would be preserved as a nominal opponent, assuring effective one party rule. The same would be the case if the Democratic party, instead, fell apart.

Not that it detracts from your point but...

%'s that voted for were Lincoln were not in fact a % of "the population," but rather a % of the vote.

I suspect the Rebulican % would have been different if slaves could vote...

Or there would have been no Repubilcans...

Brett Bellmore writes: Let us say that, hypothetically, the Republican party implodes Whig style... it would be preserved as a nominal opponent, assuring effective one party rule. The same would be the case if the Democratic party, instead, fell apart.

If the Democratic party fell apart, how could we tell?

Brett Bellmore writes: Let us say that, hypothetically, the Republican party implodes Whig style... it would be preserved as a nominal opponent, assuring effective one party rule. The same would be the case if the Democratic party, instead, fell apart.

If the Democratic party fell apart, how could we tell?

The Parties are strategic and it is really hard work to reconcile even 50.1%, to any basic of even vaguely outlined policies.

The insanity of Broderism is the implicit notion that even 60% is easy, if the "right" people will just eschew the present line-up of teams in partisan competition for that elusive 50.1%.

The Republican Party came into being in large part because they had a rare opportunity to win with only 40%, and did, once, with consequences that relieved them of the obligation to put together 50%, until 1880!

Not only did they take a decade putting together a Party at a time when one of the major Parties was self-destructing, but they got twenty years in power, before they had to start getting the normal 50% of the vote. The glory years of the Republican Party were 1896-1930, when they were the presumptive majority party, but that was two generations after their founding.

I don't think the present Republican Party will completely self-destruct, but they may be on a path to a place where they can no longer get to 50%, except in extraordinary circumstances, because their coalition, although well-disciplined, repels more than it attracts, at the margin.

And, the Democrats may become the presumptive majority Party, at the price of being dual modal and undisciplined -- several groups of moderate centrists and another several groups of progressive-liberals -- warily allied against a return of the Republicans to power, but, otherwise, exactly what Broder claims to want: non-ideological in practice, but able to act pragmatically.

Perot lost because he had a strange dog. Remember? He reported that his dog chased off 4 armed intruders.

Think about that.

Perot had such a fierce dog that it could chase off armed men. Who'd have a dog like that? But not only was it fierce, it was supernally smart, too: it could count, identify the men it was chasing as armed, and then report back about it. And not ask for a raise.

Perot should have run the dog as his VP.

The 1860 election

The Dems didn't lose the Electoral College in 1860, despite garnering 60% of the popular vote, because they split that year into three factions, each running its own candidate. Even if every vote cast for Douglas, Breckenridge and Bell had been cast for one Democrat, that would only have changed the EC result in California and Oregon, and Lincoln would still have won an overwhelming EC victory.

This was true because the three Dem factions were based in separate sections of the country, and each drew very few votes outside of that section. It was therefore only in the two new Pacific states that they split the vote to allow Lincoln to take a state's EC vote with a mere plurality, because in these states most voters kept political loyalties based on whichever section they had recently emigrated from, and therefore all three Dems on the ballot had significant support. Even if you add the EC totals of all three Dems together, then subtract Oregon amd California from Lincoln's EC total and award those EC votes to the Dems, Lincoln still wins in an EC landslide.

I can't pass up this very commonly offered, but quite mistaken, explanation for Lincoln's landslide EC win, when he had lost the popular vote by a landslide, because I think it important to lose no opportunity to remind people how dangerous it is to retain our EC system. It's one thing to expect people to sit still for a popular vote loser/EC winner being inaugurated when he only lost the popular vote by 0.5%. But the last time the EC allowed someone rejected by 60% of the voters to become President, it resulted in a Civil War. Let's not do that again. Let's get rid of the EC.

Weird.

I've never heard the argument that the Electoral College should be abolished because it allowed Lincoln to get elected.

If a similar situation were to occur today, with the candidate getting 60% of the vote and losing the EC, there would be no Civil War unless there were a polarizing issue of the magnitude of slavery fueling it and unless various states were allowed to claim their militias and bases and move them towards a separate union.

Most likely, nobody would care.

Unless Mr. (Dr.?) Tomkins still holds a grudge over John C. Breckenridge's loss.

BC,

People tend to be dismissive of the dangers of the EC, because they normally think of the elections of 2000 and 1876 as being the only examples of the EC result being at odds with the popular result. But in both cases, the popular winner only won by a very small margin, so the thought is that only small transgressions against the popular will are possible with the EC, and so it is perhaps not worth abolishing.

The election of 1860 usually is lost to this discussion because of the erroneous understanding of the mechanics of why Lincoln won that Yglesias sets forth. Undoubtedly, people persist in this error precisely because most of us think that Lincoln was right about slavery, and therefore using this example in questioning the wisdom of, in general, having a system that lets folks who lose the popular vote 40-60 become President anyway, somehow looks like you wish slavery hadn't been abolished. But the EC is blind to the quality of the candidates, and didn't award Lincoln his victory because he was right about slavery. And next time it produces a result so at variance with the popular will, it is just as likely to err in the opposite direction, and give the Presidency to someone that 60% of the country rightly thinks of as deranged and dangerous.

It is true that even a huge variance of the EC result from the popular vote would not cause a second civil war unless the country was already divided. But huge variances, such as in 1860, are only at all likely to arise precisely when there are large sectional differences in voting behavior. And these sharp sectional differences in voting behavior are likely to be present precisely because the nation is deeply divided.

As to the objection that a civil war now would be impossible because the Federal military is so powerful relative to state resources, I would expect the military to divide along with the rest of the country in such a situation. The US Army pretty much disintegrated in early 1861, and the war that followed was mostly fought between state militias, albeit brought into federal (and "confederal"?) service. And if you count the National Guard as state militia, I would think that it isn't even true that the regular Army of today is more powerful relative to these state forces than it was in 1861, even before it disintegrated. Most state militias had atrophied enormously by 1860, and had to be formed anew to fight the war.

As to your last point, there is no doubt that Douglas, not Breckenridge, would have been the unity Dem candidate for 1860, had they been able to unite behind one candidate. Besides, the people who still admire Breckenridge hold a much more serious grudge over the elections of 1862-1872, and the passage of the 13th thru 15th amendments, because Southern states were not represented at the time. If you think I'm crazy, you haven't been listening to the real fire-eaters from my part of the country.

A bit off topic but something that Mr. Yglesias should comment on is the ballot initiative in California which is nothing but an attempt of the Rethuglicans to steal the 2008 election. I would suggest that the liberal blogasphere had better concentrate on defeating this initiative rather then prattle about Bloomberg or Senator Clintons' deficiencies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/26/AR2007082601184.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

I would hope that Glen Tomkins understand my remarks as those of a skeptical pupil and not a presumptuous oaf.

Add the election of 1824 to that list.

The electoral college was instituted precisely for the purpose of avoiding an outcome such as a Democratic victory in 1860 (i.e. a candidate whose entire base of support came from one region). Even if Douglass were to have lead a unified party, would he have taken all of the combined votes of the various Democratic candidates? Would the demands of the South have repelled Northern Democrats and pushed them towards Lincoln? There is a reason why the Democratic Party was so severely divided in 1860.

Furthermore, Lincoln did win the plurality of the popular vote, so there was no grave injustice in his election.

Lastly, there is no guarantee of the opposite happening. If the electoral outcome is just as likely to produce better or worse results than the popular outcome in the event that they differ, AND if such a discrepancy is unlikely in itself to provoke Civil War unless Civil War were bound to happen anyway, then the only question is: Which is likely to produce the best result most consistently, the EC or the popular vote? I personally consider the EC to be the answer to that question, since it would help to prevent one faction from totally dominating another. I would actually support MORE checks to direct democracy to achieve this end.

And no, I do not think that Dr. Tomkins (Related to Daniel D>?) supports the Confederacy.

First off I must say that this piece was very well written and researched. I must add to Yglesias' view by saying that the support for the third party in the Election of 1860 was much larger than that of the election of 2004. In the election of 1860, the Constitutional Union Party received 13% of the popular vote. In 2004, the Green Party, behind Ralph Nader, garnered only 1% of the popular vote


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