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21 Sep 2007 11:24 am

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Marc Ambinder had an interesting post yesterday looking at members of Wes Clark's online community who are disgruntled by his support for Hillary Clinton. This, though, is precisely what makes his endorsement significant -- he's built up a political profile, especially among online political activists interested in national security issues, that's substantially different from Clinton's image in that universe. Thus, of course, some Clark fans are going to be upset at his actions. But by the same token, his words have some chance of changing people's thinking. People in the know realize that this wasn't a particularly surprising turn of events, since Clark's long been in Clintonish circles, but anything that reaffirms that status still helps her, blurring the idea that Team Clinton is composed of people who got Iraq wrong while Team Obama is full of people who got it right (there's also Sandy Berger who had an Yglesian too little, too late position but he presumably nobody would appoint him to a job in light of his legal issues).

Be that as it may, yesterday afternoon General Clark's book, A Time to Lead arrived at my house, and I have blurb envy. We've got Bill Clinton on the cover, and the back features Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Javier Solana, and Al Gore. Plus Walter Isaacsoon, Mario Cuomo, Douglas Brinkley, and Donna Brazile, which actually struck me as overkill.

At any rate, I'm not going to pretend to have read the whole thing, but I did skip to the last chapter and found these wise words capping some remarks on Iraq:

But I want to underscore that I am not calling simply for an American pullout. I am calling for a fundamental revision of the aims, methods, and circumstances of the American effort in Iraq, and within the region. What we need is a principles-based approach emphasizing unconditional dialogue, mutual respect for borders and national sovereignty, the peaceful resolution of disputes, non-interference in the international affairs of other states, and strict adherence to international law. Using these principles as a basis for settling disputes and establishing new relationships will require arduous effort on our part. Yet it is the only basis on which Iraq and other vexing problems -- whether it be Iran's nuclear aims or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- can be resolved.

It goes on quite brilliantly on this subject for a while. Waging Modern War was a great book, too.

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I see. So Clark not only opposes the Iraq war, but he opposes the sanctions regime and no-fly zones that preceded it (and which in most cases are cited as the alternative).

Quite brilliant.

"But I want to underscore that I am not calling simply for an American pullout. ...the peaceful resolution of disputes,"

How do you peacefully resolve a shooting war in which you are committed to remaining in?

"...non-interference in the international affairs of other states,...Yet it is the only basis on which Iraq and other vexing problems -- whether it be Iran's nuclear aims or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- can be resolved."

How do we non-interfere in international affairs of other states, and simultaneously resolve Iran's nuclear aims as well as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Is this the 'brilliant' part, or did that come later?


Sk

Speaking of a "principle-based approach," how about self-defense. Isn't that a principle, too.

And specifically in regards to these guys:

www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

Sounds like he has all kinds of bright ideas about Iraq, Iran and Israel, but what about the folks who are actually attacking us?

I'm skeptical that endorsements mean anything. Is there any evidence that they've made a difference in a major election?

non-interference in the international affairs of other states...

I took that to be an original or transcription error. I'm sure he meant 'internal affairs.' He's not that dumb.

I wonder what Don Williams' favorite Clinton supporter, Hiam Saban thinks about the addition of an Israel basher like General Clark to his favorite candidates entourage?

Yeah, this is about as "brilliant" as Clark's idea from '04 to pull American military forces out of Afghanistan, to be replaced by "Saudi commandos". I know this guy was near the top of his class at West Point, but his undoubted intellect seems to abandon him when he engages in public advocacy.

Clark would actually make a nice VP candidate for Hillary - perhaps that went into it?

Wasn't Clark a Clinton guy in the first place? I recall it was the Clintons that pushed him to run in 2004 (I might be entirely wrong about this btw).

Re SLC's comment "I wonder what Don Williams' favorite Clinton supporter, Hiam Saban thinks about the addition of an Israel basher like General Clark to his favorite candidates entourage?"
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"Israel basher"??? Is that anything like "anti-Semite" or "self-hating Jew"?? I.e, anyone who murmurs the slightest suggestion that Likud's Greater Israel plans should be reconsidered?

I expect that (a) Haim Saban did not rise from poverty to be a multi-billionaire by making bad investments (b) that Haim Saban knows Washington runs on the principle that "Money talks and bullshit walks " and (c) that the $Million plus Haim has raised for Hillary -- and his nice Spanish TV network Univision -- will outweigh any influence from a military officer who was "retired early" by Bill Clinton.

Wesley Clark's endorsement was intended to help Wesley Clark more than Hillary Clark -- by reminding us that Wesley Clark is still alive.

His political entourage and influence is trival--
and will become worth even less --will, in fact, become a liability -- if certain Republicans invite Dana Priest out for a quiet drink.

Correction --"Hillary Clark" in above post obviously should be "Hillary Clinton" -- I'm catching the Yglesias Mad Cow disease.

I don't understand , SLC. I told you a few days ago that Clark is dreck -- and I even gave you the name of the person to check for confirmation.
Can't a big bad AIPAC elder like yourself get a congressional staffer to return his call?

Maybe you could ask Larry Franklin to be a go-between. hee hee

Re Don Williams

Well, we certainly know that Mr. Williams doesn't like General Clark. If I didn't know about Clarks' antipathy towards the State of Israel, I might consider that a point in his favor. I must say though that Mr. Williams certainly has an exaggerated opinion as to how Clarks' alleged failure to destroy a downed stealth bomber 8 years ago has any interest to anybody except himself and assorted left and right wing nutcases. Somehow I don't think that smears on the far left wing Counterpunch and far right wing Free Republic web sites will generate much interest in the MSM. Maybe Robert Novak might be interested.

Clark got himself banned from Lou Dobbs' show and (as MY's battle-scars no doubt remind him) sent Marty Peretz into conniptions with his "new york money people" crack. That's good enough for me to support him.

SLC, maybe Chris Ford can set up you up with an appointment with Melvin.

Here's Senator Bob Graham speaking in Sept 2002 asking the Senate to approve the Intelligence Authorization Act for 2003:

"I must mention another group of people who are critical to the process of bringing this legislation to the floor. The staff of the
Senate Intelligence Committee has once again done a superb job preparing this bill
... Chris Ford, Minority
Counsel, Melvin Dubee, Budget Director, and the rest of a very talented staff.
Ref: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092502.html
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Of course, there may be several Chris Fords out there -- a concept that is sure to cause severe retching in several posters here.

How did we ever entertain ourselves before SLC (he even asked for Don Williams this time) and Don Williams?

All I know is that the media our stupid. SLC + Don Williams = Nielson Gold. I don't know why they don't have their own "cross-fire" type show.

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More seriously, SLC raises a good point (although I'm not sure it's exactly his point) -- Counterpunch is on the "far" left and Free Republic is on the far right. So why do our so-called liberal media insist on defining "the middle" as closer to the nutso Freepers than the not-quite-so nutso Counterpunchers?

Liberals are "expected" (c.f. the latest shanda from Congress) to speak out against even MoveOn.org. When will conservatives be expected to disown the freepi?

I heard Clark on Diane Rehm’s show on Wednesday, and generally felt he had a lot of smart and sound things to say about US foreign policy in the Middle East, and the prospects for Middle East diplomacy. At several points he was quite agitated about the failure of the administration to move forward with a broad-based diplomatic plan to bring stability to the Middle East, and to conduct direct, non-proxy diplomacy with all of the major regional players who will need to be part of that stabilization plan. He also acutely heaped scorn on the notion that we had to put off direct diplomacy until we are in a "stronger position".

On the other hand his message was considerably muddied, in my view, by his seeming acceptance of the most dire neocon-style interpretations of Iranian behavior. He spoke darkly of the Iranian push for "hegemony" in the region, even talking of some sort of Iranian push to "the Mediterranean" as part of a grand plan to "encircle Israel".

Now I can understand the idea that what is happening in Lebanon is in part an expansion of Iranian influence in Lebanon, although the connections between Hizbollah and Iran are often overdrawn. But where else is this "encirclement" in danger of spreading? Jordan? Egypt? Saudi Arabia? Turkey? It is just not happening. This alleged Iranian push for hegemony is largely a figment of neoconservative imaginations, and a product of administration saber rattling and highly dubious propaganda about Iranian activity in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is one of several instances where I feel Clark has tended to undermine his credibility and the impact of his proposals by sending mixed messages. If one really thinks Iran is embarked on an aggressive, grand plan to dominate the entire Middle East, one is unlikely to be receptive to the idea that American interests in the region are going to be well-served by direct diplomacy with Iran, or that we should fundamentally re-orient our position in the region. Instead one is going to think that the situation calls for a policy of vigorous containment of Iran.

Clark sometimes can’t seem to decide whether he wants to wear a general’s hat or a politician’s hat. For example, while Clark has been heading a group called “Stop the War”, and opposes war with Iran, he wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post this week in which he drew various lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan about how to fight the next war, which he indicated might very well be against Iran. It is very hard to send a credible message that one strongly opposes war with another country while at the same time advising others on how to fight that war. These might be logically consistent approaches. And certainly military officers have to do this all the time: advising against the wisdom of a proposed military operation while also helping to plan that operation. But politically, this sort of thing confuses and weakens your messages. If Clark wants to be effective in the political sphere, and it appears he does want that, then he needs to clean up his messaging.

And what is going on with this Clinton endorsement? Since Clinton has given no indication whatsoever that she favors the “fundamental reorientation” Clark has described, endorsing Clinton only makes it look like Clark is not sincere in his views, or is not strongly committed to them. If he is in earnest, why not continue to use his independence from the various campaigns to promote his book and ideas, win some hearts and minds to his approach, and then have candidates court him. Frankly, endorsing Clinton gives the appearance of a person who is intentionally helping the Clinton campaign misrepresent itself to the electorate, by sending one message to one group of supporters and a conflicting message to another group of supporters. (Clinton seems very fond of this approach, issuing a major press release on Israel and Jerusalem, for example, but sending that release only to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.) As Matt has noted before, there is an enormous amount of public misinformation about Clinton’s positions on issues. Is Clark trying to give Clinton a pro-diplomacy, regional reorientation face with one crowd, while Clinton continues to articulate her fairly traditional and hard line views for a different crowd?

Re DAS

Apparently counterpunch and freerepublic have been running smear compaigns against General Clark. I even found a link where freerepublic reproduces a smear article from counterpunch! This only goes to show that the far left and the far right differ only in their labels.

Re Don Williams

1. Can Mr. Williams produce any written document authored by his pal Dubee where he criticizes General Clark? A google search failed to turn up anything except for a diatribe by Mr. Williams against General Clark on an earlier thread of this blog. Of course, maybe Mr. Williams can get Robert Novak on the phone and whisper in his ear. I'm sure that Mr. Novak would print anything negative relative to Ms. Clinton.

2. It certainly is fun to see Iraq war opponent Mr. Williams in bed with Iraq war supporter Mr. Ford. Of course, they do have disdain for the State of Israel in common.

3. Assuming that Mr. Williams resides in the State of Pennsylvania (I'm sure he will correct me if I am mistaken in this regard), it must be hell on earth for him to be represented in the Senate by somebody of the ethnic background of Arlen Spector and to be the subject of a Governor of the ethnic background of Ed Rendell.

Re Don Williams

I suspect that Norman Hsu will be a greater albatross around Ms. Clintons' neck then 10 Hiam Sabans or 100 Wesley Clarks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/us/politics/21cnd-hsu.html?hp

Clark was my choice for the Dem nomination (after Gore). But since both Gore and Clark decided not to run, I'd happily settle for Clark in the cabinet of a Hillary administration.

RE SLC's comment "Assuming that Mr. Williams resides in the State of Pennsylvania (I'm sure he will correct me if I am mistaken in this regard), it must be hell on earth for him to be represented in the Senate by somebody of the ethnic background of Arlen Spector and to be the subject of a Governor of the ethnic background of Ed Rendell"
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WHAT?? You mean my Senator and Governor are ..you know.. kosher?

Gee, who would have I guessed. I thought Arlen was Baptist. The crafty buggers.

In my defense, how could I have guessed that they were Jewish? They are powerful men yet they aren't married to young, blond shiksa goddesses with big tits. That's usually the tip off here in Philly.

Re Don Williams

"They are powerful men yet they aren't married to young, blond shiksa goddesses with big tits. That's usually the tip off here in Philly."

I think that Mr. Williams must be thinking of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder.

Hooboy. Where do you find the liars and morons to sully your blog, Matt?

Wes Clark was a great commander who led a fragile NATO alliance to victory in its first war without a single allied combat casualty. Pretty hard to argue with those kind of results.

If he talks like a politician now, it's because he's involved in politics and has been for the last four years or so. But his politics are informed by his military and diplomatic experience... how could they not be?

Finally, Clark is no Israel basher. Hope that doesn't disappoint the Jew haters around here too much. He is in fact one of the best REAL friends Israel has in American politics today.

Ret LTC

Yessir, General Clark is a great friend of the State of Israel, not. General Clark, a pal of Israel hater George Soros, joins such distinguished Israel bashers as Congressman James Moran in blaming US involvement in the Middle East on Jewish Americans.

http://www.forward.com/articles/top-dem-wesley-clark-says-ny-money-people-pu/

he didnt rule out the vp nom on cspan this a.m. he would be the best candidate for that position no matter who gets the dempreznom. he probably knows this so he was free to choose--like many who endorse clinton they have nothing to lose by doing so bk they know that edwards and obama will need them in the general election (at some point they would have to become the dems establishment candidate), whereas defections hurt hillary much more because they undermine the inevitability argument. only the paul hodes of the party have nothing to lose by endorsing obama and unions know hillary needs them more than they need her. so this is no surprise really. but the problem is that the bottom will fall out when she gets the nom because when it comes right down to it her campaign and her presidency will have to be the democratic version of the bush whitehouse--win every battle with 51% dont bother with trying to move the battle lines or the debate. it is the political version of the trench warfare of WWI 4 or 8 more years of barbed wire and machine gun fire while america waits in the no-man's-land in between for something to happen.


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