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American Anti-Torture Act

24 Oct 2007 10:21 am

Reps. Jerry Nadler (D-NY, indeed, my home district) and William Delahunt (D-MA) are circulating a letter to colleagues about their "American Anti-Torture Act of 2007." Time was one would assume an act with that title was some kind of scheme to prevent torture abroad -- some set of measures aimed at sanctioning regimes who practice torture or something like that -- though these days of course we recognize that Nadler and Delahunt are talking about preventing the United States from torturing people. The basic point of the act is to expand the McCain Amendment's prohibition on torture to all government agencies, so that, for example, detainees in CIA custody will also be governed by the interrogation standards called for in the Army Field Manual. Full text below the fold:

We urge you to join us in cosponsoring “The American Anti-Torture Act of 2007” to ensure a uniform, minimum standard for interrogations of detainees by the U.S. government. The American Anti-Torture Act ensures that individuals in U.S. custody are not tortured, a core standard already embodied in the Army Field Manual. In doing so, it reasserts basic American values as a basis for government action.

Congress took an essential step toward prohibiting torture by American personnel with the adoption of the McCain Amendment, the first part of which requires the Department of Defense to adhere to the Army Field Manual when interrogating detainees[1]. The Amendment had overwhelming bipartisan support. It was passed by a Republican-controlled Congress, winning the votes of 46 Republicans and 44 Democrats in the Senate and 107 Republicans and 200 Democrats in the House. The American Anti-Torture Act simply extends this first part of the McCain Amendment to all U.S. agencies.

The American Anti-Torture Act would thus ensure a single, uniform, baseline standard for all interrogations conducted on persons in the custody of, or under the effective control of, the U.S. Government. The bill would clarify that interrogation techniques that are prohibited for use by the military’s own field manual on interrogations are similarly prohibited if used by the CIA or other government agencies. Like the McCain Amendment, the bill would not apply to individuals in custody under a criminal or immigration law of the United States.

Torture is inconsistent with democratic principles of freedom and is a violation of the right to be free from cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment at the hands of the government, a core protection embodied by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

Moreover, torture has never proven to be more effective than other methods of interrogation. Indeed, many critics – including former CIA agents – worry that torture yields unreliable information and that the U.S. government’s apparent willingness to bend its own prohibitions on torture undermines our standing in the world. It aides our enemies’ propaganda against us.

Torture is abhorrent to American moral values and inconsistent with our deep adherence and respect for the rule of law. We should not make ourselves vulnerable to charges of hypocrisy, nor expose our troops to potential mistreatment by adhering to anything less than the standards of a civilized nation. By once and for all outlawing torture, we will be demonstrating our commitment to that standard.

We urge you to join us in cosponsoring “The American Anti- Torture Act of 2007” to reflect American values of human dignity, fairness, and the rule of law.

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Yeah, Nadler is one of the good ones. I know a couple of his staffers, too, and they are whip-smart and real progressives.

It's great to live in his district and pretty much know that your congressman is going to do the right thing. I do feel left out sometimes, though, when people are being urged to call their congressman -- it's so rarely necessary with him.

Thanks for posting this Matt. I have already called my Representative.

Again, big ups to my man Bill Delahunt and the Fightin' Massachusetts Tenth!

In addition to his objective rightness on this and other issues, it's always good to hear a Quincy accent on the floor of the House of Representatives.

I do feel left out sometimes, though, when people are being urged to call their congressman -- it's so rarely necessary with him.

Just call him to say thanks, then - positive feedback is as effective as negative, and he probably doesn't get very much.

Random DAS fact: I sat with the Nadlers one time for Erev Purim services at B.J.

I was with a attention-deficit friend of mine interested in politics. He noticed Rep. Nadler and started to chat him up, but then his attention-deficit disorder got the best of him, his attention shifted and he wandered off ... then services started. I ended up sitting down where I was ... spent the first half of the evening with Rep. Nadler, his lovely wife and some friends of theirs. It was quite pleasant.

Delahunt is a former DA who was a trail blazing Massachusetts prosecutor, tough on crime while highly protective of victims, especially women victims of sexual and domestic violence. As a DA he worked within the system aggressively pursuing the organized criminal conspiracies through electronic surveillance and top skilled prosecutors achieving a remarkable trial conviction rate.

He has no sympathy for terrorists or terrorism. But likewise he understands Americans are suppose to have some bright lines that are sacred. One is that torture by America is wrong.

What is sad about the Nadler/Delahunt letter is that it exists at all. Who would ever think the day would come in America when we would have a debate over whether our government could torture.

Torture is abhorrent to American moral values and inconsistent with our deep adherence and respect for the rule of law.

No it isn't. Or, at least, the attitude of the American people towards torture is much more complicated than that naive and simple-minded assertion pretends it to be.

Survey by Pew Research Center for the People & the Press Oct. 12-24, 2005; nationwide survey conducted among 2,006 adults

"Do you think the use of torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information can often be justified, sometimes be justified, rarely be justified, or never be justified?"

Often justified: 15%
Sometimes justified: 31%
Rarely justified: 17%
Never justified: 32%
Don't know/Refused: 5%

I bet almost all the signatories to the Nadler-Delahunt letter will be Democrats, and virtually no Republicans. (In the Senate, only Democrats on the Judiciary question signed the letter calling on the nominee for Attorney-General to acknowledge that simulated drowning is a form of torture.)

Republicans favor torture 52-46, Democrats oppose it 59-38.
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=866

In 1860 Democrats were the party of slavery. Today Republicans are the party of torture. (But I want to acknowledge that Instapundit has assured me that he's against torture. As has President Bush.)

You know that the NEXT big Muslim attack on Nadler's District will be accompanied by squeals from the fat porker demanding to know why US intelligence - FBI, CIA, NSA all failed in their duties to get the SIGINT, info from radical Muslim prisoners to stop the plot. Why they weren't suspicious enough of radical Muslims inside the USA like Mohammed Atta and the other 3 pilots that had no probable cause to be watched and their privacy violated or immigration status checked when they were under Nadler's sactuary laws....

Yeah, if only Bush Jr. had felt more secure about his authority to torture people, he wouldn't have demonstrated that before 9/11 he didn't give the slightest, tiniest sh*t about all the threats and warnings of terrorism he had been given.

"get the SIGINT"

How do you get SIGINT from torture, Ford?

Something new in the field of intelligence?

Moron.

As for Mixner, our resident Torquemada, why the fuck don't you just go to Pakistan or some benighted African country and sign up as resident torturer? I mean, if you think it's so effective, why not become one and get rich off it?

Or, if you don't like working with black people, just apply to the CIA for the job of "rendition coordinator"? Just think, you could have Jake Gyllenhaal's job in the "Rendition" movie! Sit there and watch "effective torture" of "Islamofascist US citizens" all day long while banging your female colleagues at the Embassy all night! Your dream job!

Nitwit. Your statistics only prove that a considerable percentage of the US population are as stupid and uninformed as you are.

Big surprise.

Hack,

According to the poll, only 32% of Americans say they think torture is never justified.

Your hatred and contempt for the other 68%, as well as pretty much anyone else who disagrees with you about anything, has been clear for a long time. Maybe it's time for you to consider emigration, if any other country will have you, since you hate this one so much.

I don't hate the country.

I hate the morons like you that fill it.

And like I said, the fact that only 32% of Americans have brains enough to know that torture is never justified or why merely demonstrates what Timothy Leary once said: that if the average American ran this country, they would run it like Idi Amin.

Like I said: big surprise.

Finally, why should I give a shit whether most Americans don't understand torture? I don't care. I understand it. That's all that's relevant.

The politicians referenced said:

"Torture is abhorrent to American moral values and inconsistent with our deep adherence and respect for the rule of law."

If you take that to mean that torture is inconsistent with the PROFESSED "moral values" of "Americans" - that is, Christians, Jews, and the like as expressed in their religions - and the laws and rules expressed by the Founders of this country, then the statement is correct.

Citing the fact that most Americans today don't even know what their religions have done in the past in regard to torture - as opposed to what their priests declare in church - or know what the Founders of this country intended, is hardly an argument that the statement is incorrect.

In fact, basically you're arguing that Americans are so fucked up they might as well be "Islamofascists". Nice. And you say I hate America.

It's merely an argument that you can't find any other justification for torture except that "everybody is doing it or for it".

Which is why nitwit Ford constantly harps on all the wonderful states over the centuries who have tortured people, thereby concluding that it really must be hugely effective since all those wonderful people - who aren't around any more due to revolutions against them and the wars they started - did it.

You're morons and trolls, the both of you.

The Delahunt-Nadler bill is most welcome, but even if it were to pass both houses and be signed into law (not going to happen under this regime), we'd still have a serious problem:

The Army Field Manual has been revised to allow torture, including prolonged isolation, temperature extremes, and deafeningly loud music/sound.

These are part of a collection of techniques that have been refined through decades of CIA-funded research into "touchless" torture. They've been used by totalitarian regimes, both official enemies and governments/security services with whom our military and CIA have been close -- regimes in which torture is routine, and not primarily aimed at gathering information but producing confessions, breaking opponents, and inducing fear of opposition in the population.

They do more long-lasting damage to human beings than physical torture. They are torture.

Alfred McCoy's A Question of Torture should be read more widely by those who are under the illusion that when Democrats retake the White House these abuses will end.


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