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Class and Voting

25 Oct 2007 03:03 pm

Paul Krugman posts a telling graphic from Gelman, et. al. showing that the correlation between income and voting behavior has generally grown stronger over time (the dot is the correlation, the whiskers are the range of uncertainty):

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Krugman comments that "the conventional pundit wisdom about the relationship between class and voting" -- namely that there's less class polarization than there used to be "is, literally, the opposite of the truth." The difficulty is that there's a lot of ambiguity about how we should define class. Fortunately, the best article on this controversy was written by me. Krugman, following Larry Bartels, wants to define the "white working class" as being composed of white people in the bottom third of the income distribution (which, note, is considerably less than one third of all white people). Dissenters from this view make some good points:

Gopoian and Whitehead point out that “only one-third of the Bartels voters were actively doing paid work,” a fact that undermines the “working” half of the working-class label. What's more, “of those who were working, nearly half were under the age of 30,” a category that would include such non-obvious members as several 20-something Ivy League–educated members of the Prospect's staff.

In short, the low-income whites who Bartels finds to be strong backers of the Democratic Party have a marked tendency to be retirees or students and even those who are working tend to be very young. The alternative definition of "white working class" is "white people who don't have a bachelor's degree." Under that definition of white working class, the white working class does, indeed, support the Republican Party. However:

The education-based definition of the working class comes with problems of its own. Using the education criterion, almost two-thirds of white voters, and a significantly larger portion of the overall population, get defined as “working class,” arguably making the group too large to target politically in a meaningful way. The median household income of non– college-educated whites was $47,500 in 2004, slightly above the national median. Consequently, the working-class category of those without four-year college degrees ends up comprising a rather miscellaneous group, lumping together people living below the poverty line with many reasonably well-off people. Indeed, college dropout and richest man in America Bill Gates is considered working class under this standard. One outlier hardly disproves a theory, but according to the NES fully 29 percent of voters have some college education but no degree, slightly outnumbering those with a bachelor's degree or more. The “some college” group was, according to 2004 exit polls, the educational cohort in which Bush achieved his best performance. Thus, the conservative inclinations of the educationally defined working class are largely attributable to the sentiments of its best-educated members.

The moral of the story, in my view, is that we need better data. With a sufficiently large data set and adequate statistical tools, it should be possible to try to prize apart the influence of age, income, and educational attainment on voting as separate factors. But as things stand, the picture looks very murky. One major takeaway, though, is that people need to write and talk more carefully about the oft-neglected "some college" crowd. This is a much larger proportion of the population than educated professionals tend to realize, and it's their conservative political views that mainly drive the right-leaning voting habits of the entire non-college block. Since I feel like most pundits don't realize that "some college" status is so common, they also don't realize what occupations "some college" people are doing, or really have a clear picture in their heads of who these people are even though their political views are the cornerstone of a major trump in contemporary political journalism.

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matt

have you seen bartels' latest (and published) update of his "what's the matter with....." paper?

in this one, he follows Franks advice and uses whites w/o a degree, and, most of his conclusions still stand - to the degree that this group seems to have abandoned the Dems, it's in the South only.

it's here, if you're interested.

http://www.princeton.edu/~bartels/kansasqjps06.pdf

Well said! We really ought to have more of the politics of "some college" voters.

Fortunately, the best article on this controversy was written by me.

Wow, that is fortunate! What are the odds on that?

On topic - the points made in the post are exactly right. I'd like to know more about the "some college" group.

Also, I would think the better definition of "white working class" would include BOTH an income threshold AND and educational threshold.

Yep ... the some college crowd is huge. But how do you actually define it?

Does my mom (graduated HS ... tried a few times to go back to school, but never really was able to manage it due to various learning disabilities, health problems and problematic study habits as well as family demands) count the same as my friend who's just a few courses away from a degree?

Also, is this voting block really so conservative?

Maybe I have undiagnosed vision impairment, but doesn't the Gelman graph show that the strength of correlation has declined since 1980? Yes, it's still stronger than in 1950.

Re "I'd like to know more about the 'some college' group "
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1) How about this:

"In fact, in any given year over the past twenty-five years, about 10 percent of the Forbes 400 [US Richest Billionaires] either dropped out of high school, only graduated from high school or never reached college."

"Yet Murdock, Blixseth, and Flatley all made fortunes with little formal schooling. And they aren't alone. Four of the five richest Americans on the 2006 Forbes 400 list -- software king Bill Gates, casino impresario Shelton Adelson, Oracle's Larry Ellison, and Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen , whose combined net worth in 2006 came to a staggering $110 Billion -- are all college dropouts."

Ref: "All the Money in the World", Bernstein and Swan, 2007.

2) In almost every community across the country , you will find a lot of self-made men who make their money in real estate development. Which is largely driven by the ability to obtain rezoning decisions from the local government -- a mechanism that ensures a oligarchy control over home sales.

It's no accident that real estate organizations are the most frequent and largest source of campaign donations in many Congressional districts.

When I lived in Northern Virginia , I looked into buying a lot from a local farmer and building my house myself (managing the subcontracting, actually). But I found it couldn't be done. Because a farmer selling me the land would lose his tax exemption for agricultural land.

By contrast, I saw several developers who bought parcels of land and then increased their value by a factor of 10 merely by getting a rezoning decision. That is why the common citizen has to pay through the nose for a new house.

It's all a political and legal mechanism to enrich the few at the expense of the masses.

3) Often, the health of the local real estate market depends upon new money coming into the area -- often via federal contracts to defense contractors. Hence, the avid interest real estate developers have in supporting Big Defense contracts for their area.

Don't know if it means anything, but the correlation seems to "pop up," that is become stronger than in nearby years, in blow-out elections. '64, '84, '96. Oh, but '72 and '76 seem kind of weird in that regard, '72 not as strong as you'd expect if that were a key, '76 stronger. Of course, those were the years in which the whole correclation was gaining most strenght (lousy 70's economy?). Oh, the hell with it.

Since I feel like most pundits don't realize that "some college" status is so common . . . . yglesias

Are you dissing the stylistic attainments of the "some college" crowd? Or self-referentially, the "lots of Harvard" crowd?

I've thought about this a lot, doing undergrad american cultural history largely under Stuart Blumin, a great teacher and scholar of urban class-oriented history.

My preference would be to assess less on income than to put people on a spectrum on the basis of capitalization, and cut out some share of that, including valuations of skills (education levels, knowledge of a skilled trade, etc.) based on cost, or predicted effect on income, or some combination. It gives the clarity and statistical utility of your first method, but imports a bit of the cultural capital angle of your second, and it sorts a lot of the exceptions with your systems "properly" - Bill Gates, because of his wealth, properly gets put at the top end of the spectrum; trust-fund slackers and comfortable retirees and your typical elite college type settle into their places in the lower ruling class; someone who's had low income because they've been going to State U or training to be an X-Ray tech come in higher than people in dead-end, or no jobs; in a year in which neither of them sells a manuscript, John Grisham still comes in well ahead of a struggling unknown writer; if two people have similar incomes in any given year, the one with a bigger home and a boat is likely to behave, or be (if there is a distinction) more upper class (but again, the focus on net capitalization sees through attempts to live above your income on credit, depending on what you want the model for, that might be a feature or a bug); experienced tradesmen register around lower-middle to middle, depending, etc.

Also, imo, the lived experience of a family making $55k a year and spending $55k a year* is probably going to be more akin to that of a family making $28k a year and spending all of it than it is to one making $55k but accumulating $10k a year.

(*factoring in capital accumulation, appreciation [house, land, investments] and depreciation [cars, appliances, investments] all proper accountant-like)

The best group for Republican presidential candidates usually is not "some college" but
"college graduate with no postgraduate education".

Ignoring all college graduates obscures this fact (as does cherry picking 2004).

go to Krugman's blog click on the link -mislabeled "since 1972" (he's talking about income and voting and such data are available only since 1980).

Of course more data would be nice, but I don't see why people want to force 19th centuries of class on 21st century America. One fact is clear, support for Republicans increases strongly and monotonically in income.

Only a desperate effort to define this fact away makes people interested in "class" not income and eager to define class so that Democrats appear to be elitists.

Another fact is clear, postgraduate education is correlated with higher income and a higher probability of voting for the Democrat for president. This is a small group (Matthew Yglesias is excluded) and no one cares about us except Karl Rove when he is trying to trick people into thinking he is a populist.

back for more. For some reason firefox was using 100% of my cpu last time so I couldn't check the data to which Krugman linked.

An equal or smaller fraction of college graduates without postgraduate education than of people with some college voted for the Democrat in each of the five elections for which this was measured (equal in 2000 and 2004). A larger fraction of just college voters than some college voters voted for the Republican in 3 of 5 elections (tied in 2000 and all of 2% less in 2004).

To pick out that one single solitary comparison out of 10 and describe a 2% difference with the non quantitative word "best" is cherry picking that would make Doug Feith proud.

Maybe I have undiagnosed vision impairment, but doesn't the Gelman graph show that the strength of correlation has declined since 1980? Yes, it's still stronger than in 1950.

Yeah, what am I missing here? If I had to interpret that graph I'd say that the correlation increased radically in the 1970s, peaked in the early 1980s, and has generally been drifting slightly downward since. A triumph of the Reagan/Bush era's disdain for class-based politics? Somehow I doubt it.

The paper from which that graph is taken notes:

"Richer counties used to support the Republicans, but this pattern has steadily declined to zero in the past 40 years."

It goes on to point out that rich counties in red states tend to be more Republican, while rich counties in blue states tend to be more Democratic. All of which is food for thought, but doesn't seem to support the argument Krugman's making.

Where I'm from in the rural West the whites without degrees live tough lives, do a lot of work under the table, and like to hunt.

All I know about class is that if you don't have it you'll never be A #1.

Does anyone get this highlarious reference?

The "some college" category takes in a lot of very diverse territory. It can mean people who started at a four year university but dropped out-- and in some cases (Bill Gates, as has mentioned) someo f these people did very well for tehmselves indeed. But it can also mean people who got associate degrees at two year colleges, or people who attended just a semester or two at community colleges. You can have everyone from street bums to billionaires in this group.

As far as "working class" goes the following question set might be a good way of winnowing that out:

1. Are you (or your spouse) regularly employed (not counting layoffs) at a full-time job, or a combination of jobs equalling at least 40 hrs a week? If Yes, go on, if No then stop.
2. Does your job(s) customarily require a four year college degree (regardless of whether you have one or not)? If Yes, stop, if No go on
3. If you work mainly indoors are you mostly on your feet or on your butt at work? If on your feet go on, if on your butt stop (note: if you work mainly outdoors it's OK to be on your butt mostly, e.g., truck drivers, etc.)
4. Are you more likely to feel the need to shower before work or after? If Before, stop. If After-- you are working class.

... he oft-neglected "some college" crowd. This is a much larger proportion of the population than educated professionals tend to realize, and it's their conservative political views that mainly drive the right-leaning voting habits of the entire non-college block.

What? All those web/advertising/media/vfx/film people I know, half of whom belong to the "some college" crowd, are supposed to be conservatives? And only having some college is supposed to let us differentiate their political views from those of their peers with degrees?

Get a different metric.

Income and education correlate strongly through college. Income and Republican voting also correlate strongly. So one should expect that Education and Republican voting correlate, through college.

Post-graduate education does NOT correlate as strongly with income: Business, Law, and Medicine pay reasonably well; just about any other advanced degree is a wash at best.

So post-graduate education should NOT correlate as strongly with Republican voting.

And this is in fact what the results show.

The problem is not that we need more study - survey research and voting behavior gets TONS of published work in the poli sci literature - its that the customary classifications we use hide more than they reveal.


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