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Clinton's Foreign Policy

15 Oct 2007 01:02 pm

I've noted this before, but reading Hillary Clinton's foreign policy manifesto in Foreign Affairs is once again a reminder of how nice it would be for politicians to give us some idea of what they mean by terms like "vital interests." When, for example, Clinton says that she will "use force to protect . . . our vital interests" she's not telling me very much. I'm pretty sure all the candidates would use force to protect the interests that they consider vital. The thing they're going to disagree about is which interests those are.

Beyond that, though Clinton's essay is similar to her Democratic rivals' in most respects, she gives a couple of hints that she'll take a more hawkish approach than some. One such hint is her odd way of joining John Edwards and Barack Obama in their endorsement of the Kissinger/Perry/Shultz/Nunn call for the United States to commit itself to verifiable worldwide nuclear abolition as a goal:

Neither North Korea nor Iran will change course as a result of what we do with our own nuclear weapons, but taking dramatic steps to reduce our nuclear arsenal would build support for the coalitions we need to address the threat of nuclear proliferation and help the United States regain the moral high ground. Former Secretaries of State George Shultz and Henry Kissinger, former Defense Secretary William Perry, and former Senator Sam Nunn have called on the United States to "rekindle the vision," shared by every president from Dwight Eisenhower to Bill Clinton, of reducing reliance on nuclear weapons.

Given that the op-ed actually called on us to "rekindle the vision shared by Reagan and Mr. Gorbachev," namely "an agreement to get rid of all nuclear weapons." I'm not sure exactly what she's trying to signal by means of this characterization, but I'm not thrilled with it. On Iran, instead of offering normalization of relations in exchange for better behavior, she says that "if Iran is in fact willing to end its nuclear weapons program, renounce sponsorship of terrorism, support Middle East peace, and play a constructive role in stabilizing Iraq" then in exchange we "should be prepared to offer Iran a carefully calibrated package of incentives." Again, I'm not exactly sure in what way (if any) that differs from I would have liked her to say, but the intent seems to have been to shade the position in a slightly-more-hawkish direction. Similarly, while she takes a generally praiseworthy line on multilateral institutions, she seemed to me to be straining to work in a swipe about Sudan being on the UN Commission on Human Rights. I was very glad to read this:

Getting out of Iraq will enable us to play a constructive role in a renewed Middle East peace process that would mean security and normal relations for Israel and the Palestinians. The fundamental elements of a final agreement have been clear since 2000: a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank in return for a declaration that the conflict is over, recognition of Israel's right to exist, guarantees of Israeli security, diplomatic recognition of Israel, and normalization of its relations with Arab states. U.S. diplomacy is critical in helping to resolve this conflict. In addition to facilitating negotiations, we must engage in regional diplomacy to gain Arab support for a Palestinian leadership that is committed to peace and willing to engage in a dialogue with the Israelis. Whether or not the United States makes progress in helping to broker a final agreement, consistent U.S. involvement can lower the level of violence and restore our credibility in the region.

In particular, that last sentence shows a healthy awareness of the reality that too many people are inclined to ignore -- that America's attitude toward the Palestinians is central to how we're going to be viewed in the Middle East. That's not the kind of statement Democrats have been incredibly inclined to make, but it's very true.

Broadly construed, I think Clinton accomplished her goals here: She's laid something out that I think most people will regard as indistinguishable from what her rivals have put on the table but that contains subtle signals to people paying close attention that she'll probably govern more hawkishly than they will. That said, I keep meaning to write a post noting that campaign rhetoric has, historically speaking, been a terrible guide to how presidents actually conduct foreign policy so I sometimes have my doubts as to whether or not close readings of these kind of texts are actually worth anything.

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The only US president to have taken concrete steps, both in rhetoric and in fact, toward the abandonment of nuclear weapons by the United States was Ronald Reagan. Odd but true.

"That said, I keep meaning to write a post noting that campaign rhetoric has, historically speaking, been a terrible guide to how presidents actually conduct foreign policy so I sometimes have my doubts as to whether or not close readings of these kind of texts are actually worth anything."

That's the most important point though isn't it? I wish you would expand on that and try to figure out if there is anything we can use to predict future foreign policy or if it's all just a big crap shoot. My instinct is that you should look at a candidate's decision making, both the process she uses and the end results, in general and that will give you clues to how she will respond to unforeseen foreign policy developments.

That said, I keep meaning to write a post noting that campaign rhetoric has, historically speaking, been a terrible guide to how presidents actually conduct foreign policy so I sometimes have my doubts as to whether or not close readings of these kind of texts are actually worth anything.

Right. And please keep that in mind the next time anyone (including Hillary) engages in some embassy-to-Jerusalem-type pandering to the AIPAC crowd.

campaign rhetoric has, historically speaking, been a terrible guide to how presidents actually conduct foreign policy

As I've said this before, I agree almost entirely. But campaign rhetoric--and specifically, the groups being pandered to by it--might be an indication (among others) about who will be in the room when decisions are made. And that's probably among the best available predictors.

I keep thinking that one benefit of DC-based journalism must be that DC journalists can distinguish the gradations of influence various policy people have on a campaign or party and tell us. But they haven't told us much--Arkin's (IIRC) attempt was a good one, but surely there's more fine-grained detail available--so maybe I'm wrong.

Useful to recall that there's already been a 'Clinton Foreign Policy'---Bill's. He quickly removed the Marines from Somolia, engaged in an Air Campaign in the Balkans (without Congressional authorization but without American casualties) and apparently destroyed the last of the WMDs in Saddam's Iraq with 'Desert Fox' in 1998.

Some might feel that such a foundation puts Hilary' starting point too far 'right'. Some might think it's reasonable and moderate. But there it is.

Biography trumps campaign promises, I've found.

serious question: how on earth did Ike seek to reduce America's reliance on nuclear weapons? Wasn't this the same guy who was elected on a platform of considering their use in Korea and then introduced MAD?

What campaign rhetoric can determine--or anyway, affect--is who gets elected.

It looks increasingly like that's going to be either Clinton or Giuliani.

I'm sufficiently terrified of a Giuliani election that I would judge anything Clinton says largely by one criterion: does it tend serve to reduce the probability of the election of the one frothing-at-the-mouth crazy man running for president?

The fundamental elements of a final agreement have been clear since 2000: a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank in return for a declaration that the conflict is over, recognition of Israel's right to exist, guarantees of Israeli security, diplomatic recognition of Israel, and normalization of its relations with Arab states.

...and repatriation of the Palestinian refugees?

Well, if this is really what they want, all they have to do is to agree to the Saudi initiative offered in 2002, unanimously approved by all members of the Arab League and re-offered again earlier this year. Nothing could be easier, it can be signed tomorrow.

But of course this is all bullshit, neither US nor Israeli government want any of it.

Hillary - shared by every president from Dwight Eisenhower to Bill Clinton, of reducing reliance on nuclear weapons

Not true. Eisenhower, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, and Reagan had strong vision of reducing or eliminating nuclear weapons. Eisenhower and Carter had little influence on reducing nukes. Eisenhower perhaps built up nuke bomb stockpiles slower than he could have, and no one listened to Carter. Nixon successfully added to the work LBJ started with SALT, and unilaterally ended US biological warfare and chemical WMD programs. Reagan had a huge impact in both advocating against nukes and building defenses against them.

On the flip side, JFK ran on the "missile gap" and the US having an "inadequate number of nuclear bombs". He began a massive buildup in the US nuclear weapons inventory, continued by LBJ until the end, in 67-68, when he began talking SALT with Brehznev and Kosygin and Suslov.

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Unfortunately, the Lefty-Pacifist dream of the US disarming so India will since they no longer fear a US attack then Pakistan doing so makes no sense.
Proliferation is mainly avoided by nuclear-capable nations accepting that being under a Great Powers nuclear umbrella is preferable to their long-term security than developing their own independent force. India did so because they early on chose to be a "nonaligned power" in a bipolar world. France out of national pride and knowledge that their "Force de Frappe" would only need to be used in the unlikely event that the USA and the Soviets would fight WWIII over Germany and the Red Army was able to push through into the cheese and wine lands of France..Israel and S Africa developed nukes because they were pariahs no one else wished to fight for. Paks because they were also outside anyone's umbrella and the NORKs because they are batshit crazy.

The rest of the world, for reasons having nothing to do with pacifism or the Soviets having 30,000 nuke warheads in 1980 vs. 5,000 today, did not build nukes. About 30 nations could. From Sweden to Switzerland to Thailand to Japan to Argentina, S Korea, Brazil, Australia, Canada, Poland, the Germanies, Turkey...The prime reason is they were covered by the nuclear umbrellas of the Bipolar World and remain so today. The trick is figuring out how to make regions nuclear free that do not wish to be "clients" of the NATO countries, Russia, or China. What security guarantees they should have.

Going nuke or not going nuke has absolutely no bearing on that decision being predicated on the US nuke inventory, unless you are a Lefty that believes that all menace to the world comes from the US wishing to colonize other nations..... After the US and Soviets (with blatant lies given their secret VEKTOR Program) abjured biological weapons, several nations started up significant biowar programs..

Iran is Obama's Donkey Kong kill screen. Hillary can keep submitting these taped high scores from the 90s all she wants. Obama is going to kill screen her and the Twin Galaxies that is the DNC.

As Ezra Klein points out, Clinton's position on Iran is: we will bomb you if you don't give up enrichment.

It's that simple.

Notice that Clinton EXPLICITLY says that Iran has a "nuclear weapons program."

No, it doesn't. The IAEA is very clear on that. While the IAEA cannot be sure that Iran has no INTENTIONS to EVENTUALLY make a nuclear weapons (despite the highest authority in the land issuing a fatwa against it), they have been very clear that Iran does not have a PROGRAM NOW.

Therefore Clinton is simply lying.

And her position is utterly indistinguishable from Bush's - stop enrichment or we won't do anything for you. Sure, she says she'll "talk" - but with the precondition that Iran stops enrichment, despite having waffled on that point of "preconditions" in recent statements. If your first "talk" is about the precondition of "stopping enrichment", how is that different from Bush's position of no "talk" at all until enrichment is stopped.

Once you get past that, Clinton's position is the same as Obama's and Bush and Giuliani's - bomb Iran.

And I'M STILL WAITING FOR MATT TO SAY ANYTHING CONCRETE ON *HIS* POSITION ON IRAN!

He's still skirting around the subject. Talking about Clinton not being clear is amusing, since Matt hasn't said anything even as concrete as Clinton about Iran.

We KNOW where Clinton stands. We DO NOT know where Matt stands.

"serious question: how on earth did Ike seek to reduce America's reliance on nuclear weapons? Wasn't this the same guy who was elected on a platform of considering their use in Korea and then introduced MAD?

Posted by pt | October 15, 2007 1:57 PM"

Very true. Part of the point of the military-industrial complex was that we should rely less on keeping the nation on a quasi-war footing because that would lead to corporatism. The answer, in his view, was having a nuclear stockpile that could provide for the national defense. As such, fewer people would be needed in the military and could stay civilians, less money would be needed to pay for their guns, etc. We could rely instead on technology to keep us safe, in Eisenhower's view.

Hack, as is convenient for him, ignores that Iran is doing enrichment only. They have no nuke plants planned outside Bushar, which had contruction stopped in June because Iran wont make payments. They have no fuel fabrication facility, nor bids out to construct one to make fuel out of their enriched uranium. They have no program to build other nuclear power plant components, or train cadres in their operations.

Not a single fuel stick of 3% enriched uranium built. Only talk of "more centrifuges".

In an understatement, the IAEA calls Irans single-minded focus to enrich uranium, get more centrifuges running to go past the 3% enrichment and do nothing else indicating they are going for peaceful power geneation - highly suspicious...

Lying again, Chris Fraud, of course, you are a liar beyond all self-control.l Lie on, Fraud.

In ref to Jack Kennedy and the 'missle gap': I think he realized soon enough that it was bullsh#t and generally acted pretty moderately as Prez. His secret compromise during the Cuban Missle Crisis (ours out of Turkey, theirs out of Cuba) would have been terrible politics--the Birchers and Goldwaterites would have creamed him--but was good policy. And I happen to have had the honor of attending the AmericanUniversity graduation where he announced the Test Ban Treaty.

Ford, who knows nothing about nothing, babbles:

"They have no nuke plants planned outside Bushar, which had contruction stopped in June because Iran wont make payments."

Totally false. I pointed this out in earlier threads here. While Russia was complaining about slow payment in early 2007, Iran was saying that Russia was deliberately delaying the completion due to Western pressure. This appears to have been resolved, as Russia is now saying the fuel required to complete the plant is ready, but not under IAEA seal and thus cannot be delivered yet. The earliest operating date for Bushehr appears to be sometime in 2008.

"They have no fuel fabrication facility, nor bids out to construct one to make fuel out of their enriched uranium."

Nitwit doesn't realize that Russia has offered to do this for Iran. In fact, what the Iranians are waiting for is the first shipment of nuclear fuel. However, Iran does want the full enrichment cycle because it is apparent to them that trying to rely on external sources for fuel is a no-win situation depending on external geopolitical factors. No country is going to run their nuclear program on that basis.

"They have no program to build other nuclear power plant components, or train cadres in their operations."

False again.

A glance at Wikipedia's article on Iran's nuclear program produces the following:

Ardakan

Construction of a nuclear fuel site at Ardakan is reportedly scheduled to be finished in mid-2005. [Presumably this has either been done or been pushed back or superceded by an Iran-Russian agreement. The point is that a nuclear fuel site was indicated.]

Iran announced on April 15, 2007, that it is seeking bids for two additional nuclear reactors to be located near Bushehr.

Not to mention, I might add, the clearly established fact that Iran NEEDS nuclear energy in order to avoid having to consume exportable and profitable oil resources to produce its own energy.

Which would make it a bit ridiculous for Iran to be exclusively intending to use these reactors to produce bombs.

It's simply a stupid suggestion.

I don't understand Hack's economic analysis in the last post. So oil-exporting states should be the most likely to want/need nuclear power? That only makes sense if nuclear power is cheaper than oil power....in which case the oil-importing, middle-income, no-environmental-movement-to-speak-of world should be heavily into nuclear power. I'm not seeing it.

This is not what I said, or anybody said. It's not a question of nuclear being cheaper than oil - it's a question of foregoing the income from oil exports which are being relied on to enhance the country's infrastructure.

This has been established by independent studies IN THE WEST - not just in Iran. Iran's population growth and energy needs are growing such that if they do not develop nuclear power, they will be forced to consume their own oil production (and they really have few refineries to even do that, IIRC) within the next twenty years or so.

This means they have to GIVE UP exporting their oil for income. Obviously not something they would want to do.

Again, this isn't in any serious question. Look it up. This is one reason why the the West supported the development of nuclear power by the Shah - although the situation is much worse now than then.


I might add that the reason you don't see a lot of other countries doing it is that they don't have the economy, technological resources or industrial base to support their own nuclear development program. Iran does.

This is outstripping my power of economic analysis, but it still doesn't make any sense to me. It seems premised on an impossibility: that nuclear is cheaper than oil in Iran, but more expensive than oil everywhere else.

Anyway, I don't think it's an important point. Plenty of countries have nuclear power but represent no risk to develop nuclear weapons. That's partly a function of the nuclear power technology they've chosen (or had access to), and partly a function of the overall nature of their regimes and dominant ideologies. Iran has eschewed nuclear power technology that doesn't offer a path to nuclear weapons development, and it has said on countless occasions that it would like to re-draw the map of the Middle East, underwritten by an eschatalogical religious ideology. Short of re-naming the country Nukehavistan and adopting the mushroom cloud as their national symbol, like the article in The Onion a couple of years ago, I'm not sure what clearer signs we could ask for. What to do about those signs is a legitimate debate, and doing nothing is an option, but denying the signs is obtuseness.


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