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Mike Huckabee waxes populist, he "tells audiences that the only soap his family could afford was the rough Lava soap, and that he was in college before he realized showering didn’t have to hurt. 'There are people paying $150 for an exfoliation,' he jokes. 'I could just hand them a bar of Lava soap.'" David Brooks and I eat it up, but Tom Lee points out the truth: Lava soap is more expensive than regular soap. Comments (85)
Somebody better check out the prices in 1950whatever and do a comparo on the life of a bar before we go calling him a liar. Someone should also ask Mike if he ever got any Lava suds in his eye. Yeeoooooooooooooow. Something one would not likely forget and any mom making her kids was their faces with Lava might be considered a child abuser. 
"as Lava is essentially the only soap around that can cut through engine grease." Nah, I spend some of my time at work in the shop, and we keep a shaker full of Comet for that; Beats Lava all hollow for washing greasy hands.
"Lava soap is more expensive than regular soap." Lava soap is harder and lasts a hell of lot longer than Ivory or Camay or even Dial. That pretty much exhausts my memory of soaps available at the time Huckabee is talking about except for Octagon laundry soap.
Lava soap was always way more expensive than regular soap. We used it rarely. After changing the oil in the car or doing a brake job it would get the grease off hands and arms, and after tarring a roof it was used to scub hands clean. But using it to clean sweat and dirt off in shower was just plain dumb.
And if Gore had told this anecdote (instead of Huckabee, another Republican favorite of our "liberal" media), we'd be inundated with more RNC-sourced stories by our serious journalists about his aversion to truth. As well as anonymous quotes (or the always popular some say) speculating that he never used Lava as a boy at all, but was washed with a French perfumed soap by a family retainer in his deluxe hotel suite
Nah, I spend some of my time at work in the shop, and we keep a shaker full of Comet for that; Beats Lava all hollow for washing greasy hands. Good point, though the thought of showering with Comet just made me throw-up in my mouth a little. I imagine Lava would be more economical as grease-remover + (somewhat) family friendly.
And if Gore had told this anecdote... Yes, and it'd be ridiculous, as is Matt's little gotcha, and Atrios's flagging of it. C'mon, guys, this is a $400 haircut writ small. Even more meaningless. Their policy views are monstrous. This little stuff is silly.
I'm pretty sure Huckabee's dad worked as a mechanic, so it would seem his family was too poor to afford two bars of soap If his dad was a mechanic, it seems to me there's another possibility here. Perhaps they kept a great deal of Lava at the shop for grease cutting purposes, and Huckabee pere brought some of the surplus home on the sly. That would certainly make Lava the most economical choice . . .
Down in Ark. they only shower monthly. By then, ya need Lava. Take it from me, I grew up in Rodgers.
Their policy views are monstrous. This little stuff is silly. True, but it is also the way that the game is played. If you want to play nice and not "stoop to their level" then you want to lose. I am not saying that we have to become Coulter but we have to be willing to play the stupid little "anecdotal evidence" game. I do not say that with glee but with sadness.
They sell some kind of mechanic's soap in a little container like Crisco that has the consistency of orange pudding with sand in it. That stuff is great to have in your shop if you work on cars. I can't think of the name right now...I want to say Goop.
Boraxo is pretty good for cutting that grease too. I have heard that cat food tends to be more expensive than tuna and certainly more expensive than simple rice and beans so the short-hand we use for the poor eldely (they'll have to eat cat food) is a damn lie as well. Huckabee is the scariest of the Republican candidates because he projects the most "reasonable" face and demeanor. On another note, if you are so concerned about the Presidential election, make sure that your local voting machines and vote counting process is transparent and verifiable. I believe the Repugnants stole the last two national elections and have institutionalized as much of their thievery as possible over the last six years or so.
"C'mon, guys, this is a $400 haircut writ small." The difference is that Lavagate is confined to a few blog posts, whereas the so-called "$400 haircut" drove the entire campaign coverage agenda of all the major media outlets for several weeks.
I'm pretty sure Huckabee's dad worked as a mechanic, so it would seem his family was too poor to afford two bars of soap, Are you really being serious? If they used two bars of soap, the bars would have lasted twice as long. That aside, I didn't like a lot of Huckabee's policies, but at least he sounded honest. That's a lot more than can be said for many of the other candidates.
If his dad was a mechanic, it seems to me there's another possibility here. Perhaps they kept a great deal of Lava at the shop for grease cutting purposes, and Huckabee pere brought some of the surplus home on the sly. That would certainly make Lava the most economical choice . . .
Are you sayin' Papa Huckabee was a soap thief??? Time for the Huckabee Campaign to come clean on this issue....
It's called Gojo. A friend of mine worked where they make it or package it, in Stow, Ohio(I think). He worked on his own cars, too, so he ended up with cases of it.
if his dad worked in a garage he probably just kept a lot of lava around because its good at cutting grime.
Actually, the most awesome degreaser is gasoline. Doubt it's good for your health in the long run though.
This is a scriptwriter's attempt at a "George Washington and the chery tree" class story emphasizing the candidate's humble beginnings. Being a Republican candidate, it'll be allowed into the collective subconscious without debunking. Oh, and mechanics' soap has been around for years and years in both waterless and water-based configurations. The older ones came in cans and were solvent-based. They all work much better than Lava or any other bar soap I've found
Perhaps the solution is that Huckabee is just another fucking Republican liar. Occam's Razor, you know?
Helpful hint from Heloise: Washing your hands with a little cooking oil followed by regular soap removes grease or oil paint from your hands WHILE moisturizing.
My Grandfather, a welder, always used Lava soap to clean his dirty, greasy hands.
Are you really being serious? If they used two bars of soap, the bars would have lasted twice as long. Not when one bar lasts longer than the other.
Does Ann Althouse write this blog now? Because the stupid just leaps out at one.
Yeah, well, we always used real lava.
I washed my greasy hands in gasoline. The grease disappeared immediately!
There were two nuns taking a shower. And the first nun says "Where's the Lava soap?" And the other nun says "Yes, it does."
Lava is a blue-collar soap, never was in, say, the Al Gore or Geo.W.Bush homes (maybe in the servant's cottage) Huckabee's father probably did not want his children ro wash with Gasoline and Wil Burns, your solution may not even be a wise adult choice. And yes, the nun has hope in her soul, not the other way around. grytpype
Someone should give a bar of Lava soap to Larry Craig so he can wash that man right out of his hair.
Someone should Larry Craig a bar of Lava so he can wash that man right outta his hair.
In South Buffalo, Lava was the only soap you could buy. The first time I flew my dad Big Russ to Montserrat, he wasn't able to shower because they didn't have any lava there. After a few days of scuba diving and eating Coquille St Jacques, he smelled so bad that Mick Jagger and some of the other guests commented on it. I say "Dad, just shower with the stuff they've got here", but he said "I'll shower with Lava when I get back to Buffalo, us regular guys don't need to shower every day anyway." So I finally had my personal assistant overnight a box of the stuff and bill it to NBC news. They didn't have any Labatt's or Genny Light down there either, but that's a story for my next book "Big Russ in the Caribbean". It all goes to show what regular guys me and my dad Big Russ are. A stuffed shirt like Al Gore never would have had his special assistant overnight a box of lava for his dad.
C'mon, guys, this is a $400 haircut writ small. I completely agree Emph. Here is the problem, if liberals don't bring this kind of thing up (in an effort to raise the standards of the candidates), it isn't as though the conservatives will stop. On the other hand, I (for one) sense a kind of peculiar mentality at play here. If conservatives did stop bringing up tangential bs to support ridiculous claims about the candidates, then MY probably wouldn't have posted this way. Granted, Huckabee isn't a very big target, but at least one way for conservatives to really understand the implicit unfairness of this kind of attack is to hit them with it. I guess my question to you is, if you can't join 'em, how do you beat 'em?
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he was using Lava soap as a term for rough soap. I know my mom hates the smell of Irish Spring, but aside from that I couldn't tell you the brand of soap I used when I was a kid, and I'm half Huckabee's age.
My uncle was a mechanic, and his family was fairly poor. He also only used Lava soap, for pretty much the same reasons as Dave White mentions above. Some of you are just going to have to admit to yourselves that you're not being honest when you make this attack or just let it go. There's no point in deluding yourselves.
Kerosene works every bit as well as gasoline and is far less likely to burn your house/shop down. My father was an amateur bike mechanic when I was growing up, and he would soak greasy nuts and bolts in kerosene before scrubbing them, and dip his hands in it at the end to wash up. Personally, I like a little bit of crazzzy with my morning shower, so I'm a Dr. Bronner's guy. Dilute!Dilute!Dilute!
You're all missing the point and, in doing, you're making my point for me. Poor families in Arkansas don't have time to think about a price comparison between diluted Dr. Bronner's (which they don't even sell in Hope, Arkansas, you'd have to drive to the Whole Foods in left-leaning Little Rock to find it) nor do they have the energy to compare the longetivity of a bar of Irish Spring with that of a bar of Lava. They're too busy raising their kids and trying to get by. You folks are probably loafing around a Starbucks in Park Slope or Adams-Morgan, doing internet searches for soap prices and performing complex price calculations in Excel while you write this. Families in Hope, Arkansas don't have time for that. And it's a good thing they don't. They're only so many overpaid, overeducated, coastal smart asses this economy can support.
Huckabee's father was a fireman, and firemen have all their own washing facilites at the firehouse. That was true even back in the dark ages when Huckabee was young.
Poor families in Arkansas don't have time to think about a price comparison between diluted Dr. Bronner's (which they don't even sell in Hope, Arkansas, you'd have to drive to the Whole Foods in left-leaning Little Rock to find it) nor do they have the energy to compare the longetivity of a bar of Irish Spring with that of a bar of Lava. They're too busy raising their kids and trying to get by. I recognize this comment was meant to be facetious (likely by the same "Tim Russert" as above) but I have to say the unironic meaning isn't too far off. It's amazing to me the number of people here who must have just never been poor; when your weekly grocery budget for a family of four is $25, long-term price comparisons or purchasing in bulk is neither here-nor-there--you go with the soap you need to buy (degreasing Lava for the mechanic), not the most long term economical/aesthetic combination, and that's it. It takes money to save money.
Huckabee's father was a fireman, and firemen have all their own washing facilites at the firehouse. That was true even back in the dark ages when Huckabee was young. He worked nights and weekends as a mechanic to make ends meet.
Man, I grew up in the '70s, decades after Huckabee, and I can remember money being tight enough that yeah, we showered with Lava. My father was in the Navy, working on the hangar decks of aircraft carriers, and rebuilding old Chevy Vega-type cars in his spare time. Looking back on it now, I doubt highly that I'd choose to do with only the Lava now, but back then, you bought a bar of soap that did what you needed it to do, and you just freakin' kept going. WTF is wrong with this country that someone's hazy recollection of the soap he showered with fifty years ago is suddenly political fodder? Deal w/the damned candidates on their positions and personal character, not on their ability to remember whether mom ever bought Ivory soap.
I made the big mistake of using Lava once after a day of fighting a forest fire. Using Lave to shower is something you do not want to do. I was scratched up and just about scrubbed my skin off and I didn't know it until after the shower. I cannot imagine anyone using Lava as an everyday soap.
I like the undertones of "exfoliation." After all, no Real Man ever exfoliated. Huckabee is the dangerous one. Let's just hope that the Republicans are insane enough not to nominate him. Uh, Bill McD? "WTF is wrong with this country?" How about thirty years of Republican dominance and a famously free press that's so trivial and vapid that this is the only kind of story they focus on? I don't blame Matt for doing a little work on pre-emption, here. Maybe an Arkansas Project just for Huckabee is called for....
Lambert: Does that mean we have to sink to their level and abdicate our own responsibilities to meaningful discourse and rational evaluation of the candidates? Should we throw up our hands and elect the most incompetent candidate we have just because he's a good salesman and has a rich daddy? We decry and bemoan the behavior when they do it. Let's not by hypocritical enough to then do it ourselves.
Lava soap may come in handy for showers when the other soap is just a tiny thin sliver. But it is just an emergency soap. Ivory soap, which no one remembers now, was the cheapest commonest soap available back in the fifties and it lasted a long time. It was as hard as Lava, but without the pumice and about a third of the cost.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he was using Lava soap as a term for rough soap. I know my mom hates the smell of Irish Spring, but aside from that I couldn't tell you the brand of soap I used when I was a kid, and I'm half Huckabee's age. If you ever used Lava Soap, aleks, you'd remember it. *******************
I mix dish soap with fine sawdust from my table saw and use that as a kind of cheap "Go-Jo". It works very well.
The commentators complaining about the chicken shittieness of this gotcha post are missing the point. This is exactly the penny ante tripe that Republicans and their co-horts in the Media use against Democratic candidates and office holders.
Thanks, Chris Ford. I was going to tell aleks that he'd remember if he ever used Lava soap. I'm 61, and I remember having to bathe with Lava soap when I was a very young girl. I wanted some of the Ivory that I saw advertised, but my mother said it was too expensive. My father worked in a gas station, so that's probably where our soap came from. There were six kids in our family, and everyone remembers the horrors of Lava on young skin.
The commentators complaining about the chicken shittieness of this gotcha post are missing the point. This is exactly the penny ante tripe that Republicans and their co-horts in the Media use against Democratic candidates and office holders. I agree with you, but I also think that we should treat this for what it is: a big joke. I would be sorry to see us fall into the trap of thinking that these kinds of anecdotes matter. I'd be thrilled if we treat all purveyors of such anecdotes -- true or not -- with the mockery they deserve. Even if the Lava story is true and makes economic sense, David Brooks is an idiot to think that it qualifies Huckabee to be president. Everyone has some stupid story about how things were different in their home than in the rest of the world. I thought cream of wheat was supposed to have lumps in it til I had it at a friend's house once. I'm sure we've all got stories like that. That's all this is from Huckabee. And to suggest that it means that he's in touch with the working-class is just stupid. But it's a lot easier than examining actual policy positions, which is why Brooks (and the rest of them) focus on it.
Lava was always "Dad's soap," and we weren't to use it unless we'd been helping him work on machinery. And yes, Lava cost more than regular soap, at least during the '50s and '60s when I was growing up. One kind of soap in a family household? Despite the jokes my fellow Iowans told about Missourians and Arkansans when I was growing up, no one is that poor. Dial for mom and the kids, Lava for dad, and welcome to the typical blue collar household's bathroom circa the '50s. Huckabee's a congenial liar, but that's not news.
Even if the Lava story is true and makes economic sense, David Brooks is an idiot to think that it qualifies Huckabee to be president. Exactly...that's the point here. I'm sure MY would have never even noticed the issue, except for the fact that Leading Conservative Voice David Brooks thinks this is a point in Huckabee's favor. This is totally different from the $400 haircut business, which was dredged up by the Republicans and fed to the lazy idiots who comprise our press corps. The truly parallel situation would have been if John Edwards or one of his proxies had been trying to pump up Edwards' populist credentials by saying he spent $10 on a haircut. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that ain't what happened. And even if it were precisely the same behavior, fuck it. It's always the Republicans who are take-no-prisoners, and the Dems who say, oh, we mustn't respond in kind and stoop to their level! Well, that's why we lose.
Nobody remembers Ivory soap? I've used it for years. I dunno about the bars lasting forever, though, between my wife and I we use up one every week or two. To be honest, though, it's been years since I've used a different soap, so I couldn't tell you if that's long or short. Incidentally, I don't get the joke up there with the nuns, and I've even tried saying it out loud. Please explain.
Is there nothing new under the sun? Years ago (I forget when exactly) Donald Trump was flirting with a run for the Presidency and there was a populist Christian running in the GOP primary (Gary Bauer?) who filled the Huckabee role. Instead of bragging about using coarse soap, he bragged about his father being a janitor. Donald Trump wondered aloud whether that was something worth being proud about, that your family had been in America for generations and had been so unsuccessful.
WTF is wrong with this country that someone's hazy recollection [snip] years ago is suddenly Huckabee, and you, can get in the Wayback machine, and go to the end of the line. You'll find Al Gore at the head of it.
It might seem obvious that a post on soap would get a lot of comments- until you read the comments and realize how many people have never really had to get clean. The speculation that gasoline might work, or the distant rumor of a waterless handcleaner, really bring home the vision of a new world where soot, grease, excrement, and worse never sully the hand that rocks the keyboard. You know you're getting old if you can remember using carbon tet to clean up with. Or using a naptha soap because it 'works' in salt water. Or using Lava when you hit port and get a shot at the shower- it doesn't 'hurt', it 'makes you feel clean'.
Fred - wow, that makes Trump sound like more of a dick than I had previously thought. Partly because he's denigrating blue-collar workers, and partly because it's not the guy's ancestors who were running for President, it was the guy, and what matters is what the candidate did with his life.
When you belong to a party whose economic policy is to redistribute income and wealth upward from working people and the poor to the haves and have mores, you need this kind of phony baloney posturing to make you look like one of the ordinary folks. Other examples are Fred Thompsons rented pick up truck and, of course, the ranch Bush bought (actually it had been a pig farm) before he ran for the Presidency so that this New England old money brahmin could pretend to be a rancher.
"We decry and bemoan the behavior when they do it. Let's not by hypocritical enough to then do it ourselves." You have to fight fire with fire.
Adam Villani: "Nobody remembers Ivory soap? I've used it for years. I dunno about the bars lasting forever, though, between my wife and I we use up one every week or two." Years ago Ivory came up with special packaging so that the bars retain some moisture and are somewhat soft on opening. This makes them wear down much faster. I've known many people who buy like a 6 pack and unwrap all the soap. When they need a new bar it has had time to dry out and become hard.
Does everybody here really shower with a bar of soap instead of a washcloth, body wash, etc.? Is this the white stereotype thread or something or is it the attraction of having someone else's pubes on your shower soap?
Reality Man, real men use bar soap while women tend to use body wash, along with men who have been dominated by women and homosexuals. Some people claim the it is not a coincidence that some liquid soap looks like semen.
Lets talk a little about the "dropping down to their level" meme. The Lava soap thing should be rubbed in their eyes. Why? Game theory. Specifically, the Tit-For-Tat stragegy. As I recall from my grad school days, Tit-for-tat is the most effective of all the various strategies except one, that one being Tit-for-tat with the addition of going ugly first to create a lead. Clearly, the Rethuglofascists and their shit-swilling enablers like the NSA puke reading this comment, are not interested in playing at an adult level. We are all social apes and social apes respond predictably to Tit-for-tat. Just do it.
Being one of seven children my family used a lot of soap. Ivory being 99 44/100% pure floated and was preferred because a floating bar of soap was eaiser to find in a tub with 3 or 4 kids in it. Lava was probably cheaper back then than were the beauty bars that contained special beautifing ingredients. We had a bar of Lava in the basement where everybody washed off their hands when they were really dirty. What I want to know is why we paid more for higher levels of lead that increased octane, and then we paid even more for the gas after lead was removed?
Lava's for fairies and pantywaists! I use a mixture of gasoline, pumice, naphalene, ground glass, asbestos, and Caress liquid body soap (lavender and oatmeal blend) to scrub my nether regions. Dirty, dirty nether regions, never come clean...
And the other nun says "Yes, it does." ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Wait, I don't get it.
Does that mean we have to sink to their level and abdicate our own responsibilities to meaningful discourse and rational evaluation of the candidates? Would it make you feel better, Bill, if Matt had written a little disclaimer following the post saying that the citation of this event was more a tongue-in-cheek indictment on the media and its interest in playing 'gotcha' with regard to truly ridiculous trivia a la their treatment of Gore, Clinton, Kerry et al.? It was pretty clear to me that Matt doesn't actually consider this to be a substantive reason to vote against Huckabee...but maybe you're the kind of person who needs to have it spelled out for you every time?
In Propaganda practice the Huckster's ploy is called the "Plain Folks Doctrine". And dumb sob Americans eat it up like the poop eating dogs they are.
Kingmob is right. Gojo IS the name of that mechanic's hand cleaner. It's not technically soap because you don't need water to use it. Gojo kicks ass. Instead of getting the ladies a gift certificate to Sephora get them a gift certificate to Pep Boys and tell them to pick up some Gojo.
In my experience Lava is excellent soap. It really does the trick on grease. Still, you wonder why his family may have used it on their entire bodies. Most mechanics don't work naked.
joejoejoe, it's "Fast Orange" and it has pumice in it. Great grease cutter. I keep a gallon of it with a pump under the kitchen sink (along with the bourbon).
I am not saying that we have to become Coulter We don't have to become Coulter, but we sure do need one, and not those guys spoiling demonstrations either. "Left" needs to be dragged all the way back over to class struggle.
""Left" needs to be dragged all the way back over to class struggle." That's a good way to dry up campaign contributions from economically successful Democrats. Compare class warrior Edwards's donations to those received by Hillary.
Bill McD writes: Does that mean we have to sink to their level and abdicate our own responsibilities to meaningful discourse and rational evaluation of the candidates? Gosh, no, did I say that? (Whatever it might mean, if anything?) Let me set this straw man alight: The Conservative Movement has a layered architecture that has worked very well for them. Their people get ideological and media support all the way from genuine scholars through AEI "scholars" (propagandists) through Drudge down to absolute bottom feeders. I suggest that layered architecture what we need to emulate. The only thing I'd insist on for our bottom feeders is that their stories be, well, true (unlike the Arkansas Project, or most of it). Fortunately, it's easy to produce well attested evidence that the Christianist/Conservative movement is positively laden with closet queens, whoremongers, child molesters, people kinked about animals, and thieves. We have plenty of material to wreck the Conservative brand, and a very long way to go before even confronting the possibility of running out of good material. We look to the success of Adlai Stevenson for a party that is only "based on meaningful discourse and rational evaluation of the candidates." That's necessary, but not sufficient.
People, can we at least try to stay on topic here? The whole thread's about how Lava works on grease, but it's a Republican using it. So shouldn't we be asking how Lava works on slime?
There is also a handcleaner called Goop and it has an orange variety. http://www.goophandcleaner.com/orange_v2.htm
I still don't get the nun joke...
Daverz: "I still don't get the nun joke..." Its been mentioned above but to repeat: the unstated punchline involves "hope in the soul" vs "soap in the hole".
I'll bet there is more knowledge of various orange mechanic's hand degreasers on this blog than in all of the Kingdom of VSP. Glorificus orange manus manus lautus!
Does Lava kill crabs?
In the 1960s my dad worked at a Chevy dealership. I still keep Fast Orange around -- it stops acne even on teenage boys and is great for persistent dandruff.
There IS such a thing as Gojo, and there is another product called Goop. I can't find the ingredients, but they closely resemble generic lanolin soap which looks like cold creme but is slightly less solid. And for crying out loud, Lava DID cost more than regular soap (and it didn't last all that long when you had Dad and three sons using it 3-4 times a day during harvest season). There is more mis- and dis-information in this thread than in your average Huckabee speech, for crying out loud.
Back when I used to drive a beer truck and get pretty grungy, I used Lava soap all the time. I couldn't be bothered with buying multiple brands of soap, and I actually liked using Lava. (A shout-out to Cornhusker's Lotion, by the way.) I washed my face with it and showered with it, and liked the feeling. Then again, I wear leather underwear and.... maybe that's getting into Too Much Information.
"That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son." he "tells audiences that the only soap his family could afford was the rough Lava soap, and that he was in college before he realized showering didn’t have to hurt. is just the setup, using the "My family was so poor..." theme, for the punchline: 'There are people paying $150 for an exfoliation,' he jokes. 'I could just hand them a bar of Lava soap.'" Fact checking the price of Ivory and Lava soap is like fact checking Rodney Dangerfield. Don't spend time trying to critique what is obviously meant as a joke, when Hucklebee is saying things he seriously believes that sound like jokes.
I still use Lava soap in the shower, something I picked up from my father. I agree with the exfoliation part, but getting it in my eyes is no particular problem. I find that most mass-market soaps tend to leave me feeling either greasy (the "lotion" soaps) or itchy (Ivory and many others dry out my skin). Back in NYC, I had to get Lava from hardware stores, as none of my local supermarkets carried it. BTW, I don't know where that image at the top came from, but I never saw a package of it that color! While the soap itself is grayish-green, the wrapper is bright red.
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I'm pretty sure Huckabee's dad worked as a mechanic, so it would seem his family was too poor to afford two bars of soap, as Lava is essentially the only soap around that can cut through engine grease.
Posted by Dave White | October 21, 2007 10:55 AM