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Obama Starts Hitting

02 Oct 2007 12:38 pm

With today's foreign policy speech, he's starting to hit harder, though still not naming names:

But it doesn't end there. Because the American people weren't just failed by a President – they were failed by much of Washington. By a media that too often reported spin instead of facts. By a foreign policy elite that largely boarded the bandwagon for war. And most of all by the majority of a Congress – a coequal branch of government – that voted to give the President the open-ended authority to wage war that he uses to this day. Let's be clear: without that vote, there would be no war.

Some seek to rewrite history. They argue that they weren't really voting for war, they were voting for inspectors, or for diplomacy. But the Congress, the Administration, the media, and the American people all understood what we were debating in the fall of 2002. This was a vote about whether or not to go to war. That's the truth as we all understood it then, and as we need to understand it now. And we need to ask those who voted for the war: how can you give the President a blank check and then act surprised when he cashes it?

I think we know who the "some" are here, and Obama's exactly right. He also starts trying to push this in a more forward-looking direction:

So there is a choice that has emerged in this campaign, one that the American people need to understand. They should ask themselves: who got the single most important foreign policy decision since the end of the Cold War right, and who got it wrong. This is not just a matter of debating the past. It's about who has the best judgment to make the critical decisions of the future. Because you might think that Washington would learn from Iraq. But we've seen in this campaign just how bent out of shape Washington gets when you challenge its assumptions.

When I said that as President I would lead direct diplomacy with our adversaries, I was called naïve and irresponsible. But how are we going to turn the page on the failed Bush-Cheney policy of not talking to our adversaries if we don't have a President who will lead that diplomacy?

To try to use my decoder ring for a minute here, one thing that's worth noting is that there's no such thing as a "Bush-Cheney policy" of refusing to engage in high-level diplomatic talks with Iran without preconditions. You could more accurately term that the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush Bipartisan Establishment Policy. He's saying that simply returning to the pre-Bush policies aren't going to resolve our problems with Iran, but that we need the sort of newer policies that he and his team of people -- people who had the courage and judgment to make the right call on Iraq, when the conventional wisdom and political pressure went the other way -- are prepared to implement.

Then comes the nuclear stuff, which, as I said earlier, I think is the most important thing int he world and where Obama has the right position.

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Senator Clinton:

How can you give the President a blank check and then act surprised when he cashes it?

DAMN!

Obama is the 2008 Bill Clinton.

That's his subtext. Why vote to bring the old Clinton's back when you can vote for the new Clinton without the baggage?

Anyways, he's got my vote.

But he's got to be careful, as he'd also make a great V.P. with Hillary and he knows that.

I think you need to remember why Obama is at this moment, not naming names. Once he does, there's sure to be a sudden flood of op-eds and CNN segments declaring "OBAMA GOES NEGATIVE" "08 DEMS GET NASTY" and then asking: "HOW DOES THIS HELP EDWARDS?"

He's better off making a subtler pitch to the smarter crowd, getting them to repeat what he's saying more explicitly, and ingraining his good judgment argument in the discourse without saying it directly.

I actually think he's playing this just right for now. Let the media chew on the "Clinton is inevitable" meme long enough to get bored, then start firing with real bullets in the last few weeks before Iowa.

Just read the full speech, this man is a masterful speaker. He really nailed this one....

Sweet. Being right on Iraq is Obama's biggest weapon against Clinton; it's time he started taking it out and aiming it right at her putative strong point ("experience").

But the truly burning question is this -- what does McMegan think?

"Just read the full speech, this man is a masterful speaker."

Ummm...

When Obama says,"But the Congress, the Administration, the media, and the American people all understood what we were debating in the fall of 2002," he is saying we all knew Bush was lying about needing the resolution to show a united front to Saddam to pressure Iraq into accepting inspectors. Funny how Republicans and Democrats alike accept what Obama says here - this was a vote for war - without acknowledging what his statement means - Bush was lying.

I thought about correcting that to say that he "writes" a masterful speech. Thanks Petey.

Th: exactly right. Look, I'm for Obama all the way, but--and we've been around this block before with Mr. MY--it's just bullshit to say that the vote in October 2002 was a straight up-or-down vote for war. Bush and assorted foreign policy panjandrums were nattering on and on about avoiding war. So Bush was lying--that I believe. But he was lying to all of us, and I don't believe that everybody who gave him authorization assumed he would automatically cash it in--let alone do it in such a flagrantly unilateralist, fuck-you-world way. Bull effing shite. Bush was trashing the whole Cold War-era foreign policy paradigm of cooperation between Congress and the President against threats from abroad--but he didn't actually announce that until around February of 2003. And that's when too many in Congress rolled over in the face of the march of folly into Baghdad.

Being right on Iraq is Obama's biggest weapon against Clinton; it's time he started taking it out and aiming it right at her putative strong point ("experience").

I agree - Iraq is really Obama's weapon of choice - but hasn't he been using it as much as possible already? Seems to me he brings it up all the time. Most of his pivots in answers given at the last debate went straight back to "bring right on Iraq."

And anyone see Fournier on Obama's Iraq speech today?

Elle Loco:

2002 wasn't ancient history. You can go back and check the press accounts on this point, but I distinctly remember that the "unspoken" but acknowledge point was that this was an authorization for war. Plus, recall that Levin specifically proposed an amendment that would have required the President to come back to use force. Clinton voted against it.

Elle, I think MY and Obama's point is that if you were honestly fooled by the pony show Bush put on for the UN or if you really thought he would back down from an invasion, you (and Sen. Clinton) probably shouldn't be a major foreign policy decision-maker.

Much of international affairs requires scrutinizing the intentions of world leaders. If you couldn't tell in the Fall of 2002 that Bush was headed for Iraq by hell or high water, you're not fit to be president. (Sorry for the devastating news.)

"how can you give the President a blank check and then act surprised when he cashes it?" hell yeah!

It's all in the timing. If you come out swinging you look crazy. If you bring it up slow by January you have the CW on your side. You get the bobbleheads on the new repeating your points.

Obama is no dummy.


I was fooled by the war resolution too. I thought it was necessary threat. And now I feel like an idiot for buying it. So should Hillary.

There's a great moment about a minute into this youtube video of his speech at Howard, where he goes back to his joshua generation theme from Selma, and he has a line about Joshua saying to the Lord that he has no 'experience.' His dramatic pause is well done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E15OCktLU68

Obama may be a great orator but that is not his strongest asset. The key to his success as a candidate is tied directly to his positive message and his hope for a better future not only for the United States but for all of humankind. The goal he asserts of living in a "nuclear free" world should be the goal of all of us. The real sad part is that it is not. He gets it right!

If Obama has anything to say about this election and I think he will, fear will not dicate the results as they did in 2004. The republicans must not be allowed to scare voters into casting a vote for a negative and pessimistic republican candidate who will only continue to further erode the reputation and honor of this great nation!

Hey TH -

Would not say Bush was lying in 2002. I would say he was willfully ignoring the facts. Is that better?

This may be unrealistic, but I'd like to see Obama point out that pounding everyone you think has dissed you doesn't work in the long run, not in poor neighborhoods (referencing his history of organizing), not in bars (where GWB undoubtedly would have been drunkenly confronting bystanders), and certainly not in foreign policy. It seems like a good way to tie his rhetoric about lifting people up with the biggest problem with Americans' attitude toward the rest of the world. Or to put it another way, we need to quit acting like teenaged gang members and frat-boy drunks, and start behaving like a grown-up superpower.

It's always fun to be smug in hindsight--so smug away, folks.

But besides being historically inaccurate, calling the October 2002 resolution a go-to-war vote lets Bush off the hook for his high crime of bald-faced lying about his intentions. That's an expensive way to score points off your own team.

So we should just pretend that HRC (along with a host of other congressmen/women and the media) wasn't complicit in the biggest foreign policy disaster in recent memory for the good of the party (and by that you mean, HRC)?

No, Keith, I didn't say that; I just think we should be fair and accurate in our post-facto analysis of what went down. In the event, Hillary (and hubby) were all too gung-ho in the run-up to the war and for a good while after. I didn't roll with them, and I don't today. Obama scores hugely for having spoke out against the war before and after we invaded Iraq.

I just feel like this whole meme about the October vote has long since been corrupted by hindsight bias. Someone (or ten) will write a book about it someday.

No, phillydog, you can't say that. Saddam allowed the inspectors back in; he allowed them to inspect his personal residences; he reported to the UN an accounting of his weapons systems; his report turned out to pretty much match what we found after the invasion; he destroyed missiles that would fly too far; Iraq was flooded with news organizations following the inspectors around and interviewing Iraqi people and government officials; Saddam was negotiating his departure from Iraq. What part of "war is a last resort" fits?

My real point was that Obama can use this against Clinton, but media and Republicans should never be allowed to say she was voting for war without stating that Bush was lying. As in, "Senator Clinton, you voted for war in Iraq..." "Oh, are saying President Bush was lying?"

Philly (and everyone else, of course),

It's interesting to contrast the coverage of Obama's speech here with, for example, Politico's, which has "Obama attacks Clinton for Iraq vote" as it's front page "lede" right over a picture of Obama pointing his finger.

Just imagine what they'll do if he really starts to get tough.

Nor should everyone who sits around and says, "I was brilliantly cynical and I saw through the whole thing in October 2002!" forget to add that Bush was a bald-faced liar, as were his minions, before, during, and after the debate over the October resolution. It really was a high crime.

TH

I think I get your point. If this were a criminal prosecution for an unlawful death: Bush is probably guilty of at least manslaughter (willful disregard of life") and Clinton is probably guilty of involuntary manslaugter(reckless disregard)--although the argument could be made that her failure to do her homework (given the nature of the assignment) was willful disregard. Either way, she (and others) are culpable.

"Nor should everyone who sits around and says, "I was brilliantly cynical and I saw through the whole thing in October 2002!" forget to add that Bush was a bald-faced liar, as were his minions, before, during, and after the debate over the October resolution. It really was a high crime.

Posted by elle loco | October 2, 2007 3:04 PM"

When a lying fratboy lies to you with a history of lying, you know they are lying. I know family friends of Kerry and Clinton who were extremely pissed at them at the time of the vote for this because they knew it was a vote for war and they aren't even in Congress. Congresspeople had access to the intelligence, which was extremely thin. If you thought that if inspectors would come back from Iraq and say "there's no WMD's" and that would satisfy Bush, you are a fool.

QED

Obama's great. He's got my vote. But he is being too abstract to win. These quotes are great, but they sail right over the head of most voters.

Simplicity, and start naming names.

What Obama has to worry about is crap like this in the NYT today:

"While his position of going forward in Iraq is largely similar to his leading rivals, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards, Mr. Obama said members of Congress should be held accountable for voting “to give president the open-ended authority to wage war that he uses to this day.”

This (deliberately?) minimizes the importance of what Obama said today and shows just how important it is to be SPECIFIC and CONCRETE -- repeat it over and over, and follow up with clowns who still get it wrong.

"By a foreign policy elite that largely boarded the bandwagon for war."

Better hope Obama doesn't name names, Matt.

Meanwhile, HE'S doing the EXACT SAME THING with regard to Iran. He's buying into the bullshit about an Iranian weapons program and pushing it. Just because he SAYS he's for diplomacy - well, Bush said that, too - long after the decision to go to war had been made.

Why should I believe Obama any more than Bush?

Because he's BLACK? Gimme a break.

Barack's a nice kid. He was a nice kid back at HLS when I attended as an older student in 1988-1991. He makes everyone feel good. He isn't mean and doesn't name names like other politicians. I am sure he will make a nice President. He sure will make people feel good!


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