Seventy-seven year old Germany playboy sues nineteen year-old for refusing to have sex with him even though he paid for dinner.
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25 Oct 2007 07:08 pm
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I hope he wins.
Well, of course, this all took place in Berlin, in Germany.
If it had taken place in the tort-reform happy US, his emotional distress damages would be capped at $250,000 . . .
>>Seventy-seven year old Germany playboy
Seventy-seven-year-old German playboy
Do they teach grammar at Harvard? Or wherever you went to junior high school?
>>Seventy-seven year old Germany playboy
Seventy-seven-year-old German playboy
Do they teach grammar at Harvard? Or wherever you went to junior high school?
or we could have just gone with deutschehefner. You're allowed to invent your own compound words in German, right?
As a practical manner, there is indeed some social expectation of that sort, and of course it would be both unfair to make it binding, and to ignore it altogether.
Perhaps some clarifying social convention would satisfy those that claim that sex can be denied even in the middle of the intercourse. For example, one could introduce a clarifying toast:
"And let this drink serve as the last toll sign before the toll". Then the lady can refuse to drink it, but otherwise she would have a moral, and perhaps legal obligation. Breaking it would require providing reasons that were not known to the lady prior to that toast. E.g. "I was truly inclined to proceed with all plans that were set forth for this evening, but I have found his wheezing too distracting".
Disgusting. Along with the "airstrike" entry I think you need to take an occasional nap.
Playboy? I thought this meant someone young and carefree. (plus filthy, stinking rich)
Has it been redefined to mean "younger than Hugh Hefner?"
Does the AARP have a position on this?
piotr, I wish I thought you were 100% kidding.
or we could have just gone with deutschehefner. You're allowed to invent your own compound words in German, right?
That's clever, but if you're gonna go that route, go the whole Schwein--the pleasure of concocting German compound nouns is in compounding as much as possible.
For example, instead of "deutschhefner" (your addition of the second "e" is questionable, lieber dude), I propose "Vorliebefürjungefrauenlüsternenreichaltenmann," which--if we are willing to overlook some grammatic creativity on my part--possesses the proper Teutonic lengthy dignity.
I am so ashamed that we Jews didn't think of this first.
Um, the article is written pretty badly and only gives a little bit of the story. It's no wonder that you wrote about it, and I am glad to see that Feministing's emails and faxes are getting to you.
But um, what's the backstory? How did these two meet? Why did a 19 year old woman agree to go on a date with a 77 year old man? Was understood to be a date? Because if it was, what the fuck was she doing going out with this guy if she thought he was too old for her?
If she went into the date thinking this guy was too old, but understanding he would take her someplace fancy, and spend a lot of money on her, I would call her a whore.
And since she's a whore dating for the free food and alcohol, and already consented, then I'd say, yeah, she should put out for the guy. As someone at feministing pointed out, if she really is a hooker, she probably IS guilty of ageism in Germany. If she's not a hooker, she sure is acting like one according to the way her behavior is described in this crappy story.
Or Matt, you could figure out for yourself that just because the mainstream media says "X" happened doesn't mean that "X" happened. It may even mean there was no story, or the opposite happened.
So apart from modern feminists wanking late at night, who gives a shit? He didn't rape her, or sexually abuse her.
I know that modern mainstream feminists don't want to view women as rational, effective agents, as adults, as adults with sexual desires, but that's what feminists used to seek.
Let her be responsible for her behaviors. Stop pandering to her and condescending to all women. Treat her as an adult.
So he took her to court for a contract violation. Seems like an interesting case.
you've got issues, man
You mean, aside from there being no contract involved? I'm not sure if you've ever been on a date before, but it is perfectly legitimate to go on a date with somebody for the companionship and possibility, but no promise of nookie. What the hell kind of an upbringing did you have?
Is this the first time this jerk has ever been rejected? Is he that irresistible? Do German women have such horrible taste? If this tard has a case, where can I get my cut from when I was a teenager?
At least it was a girl.
belle waring: honestly, in my somewhat sheltered experience I have heard about people having such an expectation, but never first hand. The way I perceived the social norm was the following:
if a girl does not sleep with you after a year or two of dating, it is fair to start dating another girl. Of course, people can go beyond the minimum level of expectations, but the minimum is no higher than that.
It should be mentioned that, in Germany, the loser pays it all, court costs plus the expenses for the lawyer(s) and experts of the winning side. And the payment for the lawyers is regulated, it's a percentage of the value of the issue that the parties disagree about. Since Eden could have had sex with a premier class callgirl for, say, 1000 Euros, even if the girl is losing this case (which is very questionable, since there isn't a discrimination law covering such private issues), she won't end up paying for this too long.
But imho Eden knows perfectly well that he got close to no chance in court. I guess the whole point of this is just that he is hungry for some attention and press coverage. Nobody did care much for the old fart recently...
:D
"or we could have just gone with deutschehefner. You're allowed to invent your own compound words in German, right?"
Firstly, we would say "der deutsche Hefner" or, maybe, "ein deutscher Hefner" . Secondly, you may invent words, but there is no requirement for anybody to appreciate your balderdash or even to pay attention to it. Quite to the contrary, randomly inventing words like "Bundesmacht" (Roger Cohen recently) will make people believe you're a moron and will lead to become a misfit in society.
:P
Gray, thanks for the Roger Cohen explanation. I've been scratching my head about that one since I read it.
Doch, doch, Herr Gray! "Bundesmacht" is actually a perfectly acceptable if uncommon German world, used by Immanuel Kant among others. It might mean "Federal Army" or it might mean "federal power" depending on context.
Aside from the amusement, is this really an incident of significance to feminists, or, for that matter, anybody else?
Obviously we either have some senile idiot here who is misusing the legal system (assuming there aren't grounds in the German legal system for this sort of thing - which wouldn't surprise me all that much) or someone who has a serious over-appraisal of his attractiveness (especially vis-a-vis the age difference.)
I wouldn't expect such behavior of Hugh Hefner, but I wouldn't care if he did do something similar. So why should I care about this guy?
If Feministing wants to make a point, make the point.
Otherwise, nothing to see here but a mild chuckle. Move along.
However, piotr: "The way I perceived the social norm was the following: if a girl does not sleep with you after a year or two of dating, it is fair to start dating another girl."
That was funny. These days, it's more along the lines of: no sex by the third date, good-bye. See: "Hitch". movie.
In fact, if you follow the PUA (Pick Up Artist) movement, if you don't get any on the second date, you should be thinking of moving on. And on the first date, you should at least get a kiss. In fact, you should get a kiss before you complete the pick up, as part of the pick up. It's called a "kiss close" and is only less desirable than the "f--k close" and is much better than the mere "phone number close."
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Heads in the Sand
The class action bar is watching this case with great interest.
Posted by blah | October 25, 2007 7:21 PM