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A Clean Break

13 Nov 2007 10:18 am

I'd highly recommend Ed Kilgore's thoughts on different approaches to the politics of national security available to Democrats (though I think his #3 is something of a straw man, whereas #2 and #4 are very real and vibrant strains of thought) and the best way for going forward. What I would add, though, is that I'm not sure how available Ed's number five really is to those Democrats who voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq back in October 2002. Ed characterizes the best way forward as:

Find ways to compete with Republicans on national security without supporting their policies and positions (e.g., the 2002-2004 Clark/Graham "right idea, wrong target" criticisms of the Iraq invasion as distracting and undermining the legitimate fight against terrorists).

I'll call it Clark/Dean because I think Dean's been unfairly maligned on this score and Graham wound up articulating the really crazy view that we should go to war with Hezbollah. But old fights aside, we could also call it the "John Kerry at his best" strategy:

Saddam Hussein didn't attack us. Osama bin Laden attacked us. Al Qaida attacked us. And when we had Osama bin Laden cornered in the mountains of Tora Bora, 1,000 of his cohorts with him in those mountains. With the American military forces nearby and in the field, we didn't use the best trained troops in the world to go kill the world's number one criminal and terrorist.

The trouble is that this kind of message, nicely re-enforced by the fact that Rand Beers resigned from the Bush administration in protest over the president's Iraq strategy and wound up working for Kerry, cut against Kerry's actually record. Just a few sentences later, Kerry was shifting into an HRC-like explanation of why his vote in favor of authorizing the war didn't mean he favored the war:

He also said Saddam Hussein would have been stronger. That is just factually incorrect. Two-thirds of the country was a no-fly zone when we started this war. We would have had sanctions. We would have had the U.N. inspectors. Saddam Hussein would have been continually weakening.

If the president had shown the patience to go through another round of resolution, to sit down with those leaders, say, "What do you need, what do you need now, how much more will it take to get you to join us?" we'd be in a stronger place today.

This is, in a vacuum, plausible. It's not, however, consistent with the strategic focus argument since handling Iraq Kerry's way (recall that "there was a right way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable and there was a wrong way") still would have entailed the shift in focus away from Afghanistan, al-Qaeda, and Pakistan and toward Iraq. Consequently, while I think this sort of argument is a great one for Barack Obama and other challengers like Jim Webb who can easily adopt it, folks who backed the war aren't that well-positioned to do so because the strategic focus argument isn't really consistent with trying to wriggle away from a pro-war record by citing the manipulation of intelligence.

All of which is to say that while someone like Dennis Kucinich who opposed the Iraq War because of an extremely dovish overall outlook would still have a very hard time winning an election, someone like Webb or Obama or Dean or Clark who can plausibly claim prescient judgment about what's become an extremely unpopular war is just in a much fundamentally stronger position to go up against a candidate (at either the presidential or congressional level) who's be a die-hard war supporter but not someone who was personally involved in the well-known Rumsfeld-era cavalcade of ineptitude.

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I think you are vastly overestimating how much people care about the 2002 AUMF vote. Outside of a few web cranks sitting around waiting for their prescience merit badge, most voters have moved on.

I mean you haven't suffered any adverse career affects.

As one who hopes for Democratic success as an antidote to eight years of Republican ideological excesses, I am appalled by the suggestion that we abandon common sense in an effort to trick voters into thinking people like Yglesius can be trusted to have plausible ideas on national security.

"If we had only copied the techniques of the Soviet Army in Afghanistan, then we'd really have had success." Please, leave this stuff to the grownups.

Excellent post and the best implict argument for Obama.

Obama needs to make it implicitly by being STRIDNETLY for ENDING the Iraq War NOW!

No funding without timelines!

Find ways to compete with Republicans on national security without supporting their policies and positions

Are you trying to market toothpaste?

I have a modest proposal instead:

First, we decide what does or does not constitute "defense" in the present context. F-22's? Slingshots? Photon torpedoes? Mass conversion of the American public to Sufi Islam? ( Hint. It necessarily entails energy independence and also must consider that our foreign creditors are not going to tolerate our deficit financing of huge Pentagon budgets much longer. )

Second, we actually must advocate these policies because they work - or at least are the best than can be achieved under present circumstances.

Third, we must support those who share these views and oppose those who fail to do so. If Pat Robertson endorses these ideas, work with him, at least on this. If Martin Luther King would have opposed them, then King had flaws in his philosophy.

But there is one national security topic on which Democrats have a built-in advantage wherein they could not only conveys "toughness" and seriousness on national security, but also rebut years of Republican attacks: military readiness. As Steve Benen points out today at TalkingPointsMemo, the "Clinton hollowed out the military" myth was not only a staple of Bush's 2000 campaign, and a subtext of attacks on Kerry's defense record in 2004, but is still being monotonously repeated by 2008 Republican candidates:

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A myth?

US Active Duty Military:
1992 - 1,807,177
2000 - 1,384,338

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004598.html

US Defense Spending (constant 2004 dollars):
1992 - $397.2 billion
2000 - $329.3 billion

http://www.cdi.org/news/mrp/us-military-spending.pdf
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No honest person can claim Clinton didn't cut the military - active duty personnel fell by 23% and spending fell by 17%.

Now you can make a case that those cuts were appropriate but I didn't read that anywhere in those two linked pieces.

But to assert that it's a "myth" that the US military in 2000 couldn't do everything it could do in 1992 after cutting almost a quarter of its personnel is dishonest.

Campesino:

Since you are challenging my honesty here, I should note that you'd be right if I had actually described military force reductions under Clinton as a "myth," but that's not what I said. Both parties supported major force reductions after the collapse of the Soviet Union, including Bush I and Cheney. Remember the "peace dividend?"

It's the idea that Clinton vitiated the ability of the military to perform a vastly changed and (in terms of conventional threats) reduced set of post-Cold War missions that's IMHO a "myth." And that's what the "hollowed out military" rap was all about, not force reductions that everyone supported. I thought that was apparent without spelling it out, but apparently not.

Campesino:

Since you are challenging my honesty here, I should note that you'd be right if I had actually described military force reductions under Clinton as a "myth," but that's not what I said. Both parties supported major force reductions after the collapse of the Soviet Union, including Bush I and Cheney. Remember the "peace dividend?"

It's the idea that Clinton vitiated the ability of the military to perform a vastly changed and (in terms of conventional threats) reduced set of post-Cold War missions that's IMHO a "myth." And that's what the "hollowed out military" rap was all about, not force reductions that everyone supported. I thought that was apparent without spelling it out, but apparently not.

Posted by Ed Kilgore | November 13, 2007 1:58 PM

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If you look back at my comment you'll note I said - "Now you can make a case that those cuts were appropriate but I didn't read that anywhere in those two linked pieces"

Sometimes we speak too quickly in "short hand" and I was put off by the fact you asserted this as a fact and your only link to justify the assertion was just another assertion of it as a fact.

Yes I do remember the peace dividend and at the end of the Cold War I agree that it was appropriate to reduce the military.

Actually this claim:

There are 365,000 fewer employees in the Federal government workforce than in 1993 -- giving us the smallest Federal workforce since the Kennedy Administration. [Budget of the U.S. Government FY 2000, "Historical Tables" (table 17.1); Budget of the U.S. Government FY 2000, "Analytical Perspectives," (table 10-1) p. 248]

was all pretty much done on the back of military force reduction and reductions in DoD civilian employees.

I agree with AJ.

People have moved on with regards to the 2002 AUMF. It's a non-issue, save for a few.

AJ Says:

"I think you are vastly overestimating how much people care about the 2002 AUMF vote. Outside of a few web cranks sitting around waiting for their prescience merit badge, most voters have moved on.

I mean you haven't suffered any adverse career affects."

You're probably correct that people who aren't wonkish aren't stying up at night thinking about the NIE, or the AUMF, but you're flat wrong if you think that doesn't matter. Remember the "for the war before I was against it" crap? It doesn't sound any better the second time around.

We have a couple of arguments against the way the GOP wants to run the White House that are absolutely damning. Iraq is one of them. Wouldn't it be nice to have a candidate who can hit the GOP hard on this and not have to worry about apologizing for authorizing the war, or explaining why they couldn't even be bothered to read the intelligence report?


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