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A Man of Convictions

13 Nov 2007 04:15 pm

Speaking of New York Times columnists, I like that Bob Herbert today goes beyond questions of signaling and dog whistles to look at the policies:

And Reagan meant it. He was opposed to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was the same year that Goodman, Schwerner and Chaney were slaughtered. As president, he actually tried to weaken the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He opposed a national holiday for the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He tried to get rid of the federal ban on tax exemptions for private schools that practiced racial discrimination. And in 1988, he vetoed a bill to expand the reach of federal civil rights legislation.

Congress overrode the veto.

Reagan also vetoed the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime in South Africa. Congress overrode that veto, too.

Now whether Reagan pursued these policies inimical to the interests of black people because he didn't like black people or because he simply adhered to free market principles whose policy upshot was inimical to the interests of black people, I couldn't say. These days, I think a politician whose sincere views about the sanctity of the market led him to the conclusion that landmark civil rights legislation was a serious violation of the demands of political justice would just lie about it, much as Ronald Reagan never proposed eliminating Medicare though surely whatever principles drove his push to reduce anti-poverty spending (and if you look at the poverty numbers, you'll see that poverty in the Reagan-Bush years was consistently worse than under Nixon-Ford-Carter or Clinton-Bush) would also have indicated that Medicare should be gotten rid of.

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Yeah. The Gipper was concerned about that ol' free market for voting rights.

I can't wait for David Brooks's snappy comeback to that one.

Reagan was actively against Medicare before its creation. I have a good ol' vinyl LP of the Gipper exhorting the faithful to oppose the creation of Medicare/Socialized Medicine. It was intended as a grass roots efforts to mobilize middle class coffee and tea party attendees. Sip tea, listen to the Gipper, then call your Congressman. I kid you not.

Reagan was actively against Medicare before its creation. I have a good ol' vinyl LP of the Gipper exhorting the faithful to oppose the creation of Medicare/Socialized Medicine. It was intended as a grass roots efforts to mobilize middle class coffee and tea party attendees. Sip tea, listen to the Gipper, then call your Congressman. I kid you not.
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All sorts of people opposed Medicare. Hard as it may be to believe today the American Medical Association opposed it and the coffee party campaign was their creation.

The AMA was absolutely correct in pointing out that Medicare would cost billions and billions more than its supporters would admit. I remember watching a TV speech by an AMA spokesman who went through the numbers and asked "Who's gonna pay for all this?"

Now we know

Hard as it may be to believe today the American Medical Association opposed it and the coffee party campaign was their creation.

Actually that's really easy to believe.

Hard as it may be to believe today the American Medical Association opposed it and the coffee party campaign was their creation.

Actually that's really easy to believe.


Posted by Bill | November 13, 2007 5:10 PM

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Yeah, but now they've been hooked up to the heroin drip for 40 years and demand higher payments now!

Totally off-thread, but what happened to the Aggressive Treatment post where Matt called for a "Flu Shot Corps" to prowl the streets and give people vaccinations?

It just disappeared!

"Yeah, but now they've been hooked up to the heroin drip for 40 years and demand higher payments now!"

I'm sorry, are we comparing Medicare with heroin addiction now? I'll have to check on my mom to make sure she isn't rolling bums for her insulin fix...

I assume you are joking b/c I'm not sure what free market principles could possibly explain any of those things.

Enough already! What is it with this idea that, well, we'll just never know if Reagan was a racist?

It's not enough that he told racist jokes and campaigned on racism? It's not enough that his agencies actively discriminated, illegally, on the basis of race? It's not enough that he supported the apartheid regime of South Africa?

Well, what in heaven's name would be enough?

This is like saying that we'll just never know if Hitler was a anti-semite. Maybe he didn't really believe all those things he said, he just said them to get public approval for his policies. After all, nobody actually saw Hitler personally kill any Jews, and blah blah blah.

I'm guessing this endless apologetic for Reagan is coming from people who were children when Reagan was in office. They find it so hard to reconcile the kindly father-figure they knew with the way objective observers see him.

Look, Matt, my father actually liked Ike and voted for him twice. But there was never any confusion in my house about who was the President, and who was my father.

I agree that this issue should actually rest in peace or involve all involved (both sides had a white sheep in the family that liked white sheets more than a white vest?). But Matt's post is one of the rare ones that is balanced... Herbert's isn't, Brooks's isn't?

Serial gets the award. Not only was she (surely I'm right about that) the first to chime in with a Hitler analogy, but she also included an additional two sentences of elaboration, just in case we didn't get the point.

Excellent work, madam. Rarely do I get to see a tired quip bloom into a trite paragraph of meaningless masturbation (it even ends with 'etc'!).

I love this blog.


Wait, can I ask why anyone should care whether Reagan himself was a racist? Because I really don't. What I care about is that he was willing to pander as heavily as humanly possible to the very real racist bloc in this country. In a politician, that's a far greater sin.

The Civil Rights Act "embarrassed the South"? Fuck that. What a stupid rationale. I like Southerners a lot, but why shouldn't those who embraced policies of segregation be embarrassed about them? I'm a Red Sox fan. If I were alive when they were the last team without a black player, I like to think I would have been embarrassed about that, too. And that's on a scale maybe 1/41695748 as big.

More to the point: why should we have coddled that racism rather than stood up to it? If he wasn't actually a racist himself, the "embarrass" argument is the worst kind of political cynicism, the very kind we liberals decry in the unwillingness of the last twelve years' Democrats to take on the Guns-God-Gays triumvirate that Republicans trot out every election. In some ways, it's worse than being a racist: if he wasn't one, then he knew it was wrong, but encouraged it anyway, just to win some votes. What a fucker!

And a campaign announcement in Philadelphia, MS? Herbert's right. There is literally no way – apart from self-delusion – to interpret that as other than an appeal to racists. Why? Because there is literally no other reason for an Illinois-born former governor of California to have made his announcement in that little backwater town. That announcement was truly vile. States' rights might look like a nice idea from a certain viewpoint, but let's not pretend that this particular speech meant anything other than "I won't force you to play nice with those darkies."

Did he know better? More than a few people think Reagan was dumb as rocks, and when he pulled out his "Golly, I didn't really know that" routine about various matters of policy, he was actually being honest. Maybe. But it seems to me that there are only three ways to see Reagain vis-à-vis race: racist, stupid, or manipulatively willing to subject blacks to further racism because he didn't care enough about what we did to them. None of those should be a point of pride.

He wasn't alone in this: it's what the Southern Strategy was built on. But the Republican Party has officially apologized for that strategy. Continuing to defend Reagan's policies and rhetoric against charges of racial pandering belies that apology.

Curse of the Babe - not. Curse of the bigots.

Reagan was also dubious about Carter and Thatcher helping push through black rule in Rhodesia in 1980. So that makes him objectively anti-black, because, clearly, black rule in Zimbabwe has been wonderful for blacks.

Oh, wait, never mind ...

I disagree with Matt very strongly on this one.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 mostly guaranteed equal rights for blacks. If he genuinely opposed it -- and not just opposed it to, say, get through a Republican primary in the south -- then he is racist. Libertarians would tend to think that everyone should at least be allowed to vote. To say that blacks don't deserve the same rights as white based on some free market principle is wrong. He would have to oppose it b/c he didn't think blacks should be able to vote. Saying he opposed it because of some principled free market ideology is just as crazy as saying Reagan had a principled view that one "Can't legislate morality" -- when in fact he would have been comfortable legislating conservatives ideals of morality.

Also, Matt, yesterday you wrote that "Brooks was also right". In what sense was Brooks right?

To Matt: damn, son. Your trend line is roughly in the right direction, but still, watching you try to write about racial attitudes in American politics is like watching Al Gore try to dance the Macarena.

Was Saint Ron really a racist or did he just play one on television? What a moot question. Let's try an analogous one: does George W. really hate GIs and Marines, or does he have some other reason for causing so many of them harm? The point is that it just doesn't matter. The effect on those harmed is the same either way.

Not to mention that, as Prof. Veblen points out above, to suppose that Reagan was acting out of some libertarian, market-ueber-alles principle when he opposed civil rights legislation is to stretch logic way past the breaking point. You suppose that when he used the phrase "young buck" in the same Philadelphia speech, he was expressing some libertarian concern about recently-printed one dollar bills?

Your penance is to go back and read Herbert's column again. Mr. Bob "Too Bad He's Too Boring to Read" Herbert delivered one serious smackdown on Brooks's silly, specious column. No padded gloves on his hands. And you didn't even pick out the best paragraph to quote. The right one, the one that slapped Brooks's central argument into the dirt was this:

Everybody watching the 1980 campaign knew what Reagan was signaling at the fair. Whites and blacks, Democrats and Republicans — they all knew. The news media knew. The race haters and the people appalled by racial hatred knew. And Reagan knew.

So, if the fact that the late Mugabe administration has been bad (including for most blacks) combined with the fact that Mugabe's presidency is a result of black majority rule means that supporting Rhodesia's apartheid state is not racist, then does that mean the fact that the Bush administration has been bad (including for most whites) combined with the fact that Bush's presidency is a result of white majority rule mean that supporting the disenfranchisement of American whites would not be racist? I'm a white guy, and I want to be able to vote, darnit!

Basically, serial catowner gets it. Reagan was a big fan of South African aggression in the rest of Africa even before sanctions were mooted.

Now, it is true that he was a bloodthirsty psychopath in a lot of other ways too, I don't want to insinuate that he was nothing but a racist. Let's not forget the 300 000 Central Americans butchered on his watch. But racism is completely consistent with his inhuman policies.

Was Reagan really an anti-Mayan racist when he helped his close friends those wonderful Evangelical Christian Guatemalan generals actually attempt to carry out genocide against the Mayan population in Guatemala, or was he just playing to his anti-Mayan base?

About the Civil Rights Act of 1964 it should be noted that at the time opposition really did take Libertarian form, although it is hard to know how much of it was in good faith.

Part of the bill was the idea that blacks should be able to eat in any public restaurant which seems like a clear advancement of freedom (for blacks anyway). But this can also be put in the opposite direction by noting that it says that white restaurant owners need to be willing to do business with people that they don't want to do business with. And so it was taken as a limitation on the freedom of association.

Robert Bork had an argument at the time to the effect that the Act violated 1st Amendment rights of association. But then when endorsing absolute rights failed as a way to protect discrimination, Bork, perhaps coincidentally, became a minimalist about rights when dealing with issues in which conservatives wanted rights minimized. So bad faith does not seem a ridiculous suggestion.


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