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07 Nov 2007 11:22 am

Ryan Avent points to a great New York Times article that does what newspaper stories so rarely do: really break down and explain an issue:

Carbon dioxide is what economists call an “externality,” something that imposes a cost on somebody other than the manufacturer. At some point, the thinking goes, Congress will force industries to pay those costs, either with a tax or a cap-and-trade system in which allowances will cost money. The consensus in the energy business is that lawmakers will come up with a charge that could start at $10 per metric ton or more. [...]

At $10 per metric ton, the impact is minimal. But at $50 a ton, for example, the cost of a kilowatt-hour produced by coal goes from about 5.7 cents to about 10 cents. Wind power currently isn’t competitive, according to the institute’s calculation, but it becomes competitive when carbon dioxide costs $25 a ton. [...]

At $20 or $30 a ton, the 1.9 pounds of carbon dioxide emitted in producing that kilowatt-hour costs 2 to 3 cents. That cuts into coal’s price advantage and — when coupled with progress in reducing the cost of solar power through manufacturing and economies of scale — gives solar power “a much larger chance to be relevant,” Mr. Gay said. Solar thermal systems, which use mirrors to concentrate sunlight to boil water, might benefit even sooner.

The trick, it turns out, is that the story ran in the Times's business section where they're trying to make sure an audience of interested parties gets the information they need. Were this to run as a "Washington" or "politics" story in the news section, it'd be all full of dueling quotes from political hacks, obfuscation, horse-race stuff, and pretty much anything other than an explanation of the impact of carbon pricing.

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this is also why the wall street journal as a newspaper is so good (it is, of course, the home of insane people on the editorial page, but that's easy to skip).

"The trick, it turns out, is that the story ran in the Times's business section where they're trying to make sure an audience of interested parties gets the information they need."

Yup, that's why I read the Financial Times.

Howard: You are right, the same holds for the non-Opinion sections of the WSJ. (Though I still prefer the FT--you get great opinion stuff there too.)

No, Matthew: it did not run in the business section, but in a special section devoted to 'the business of Green' - it was only sorta-kinda-not-really associated with the business section in the print version (you are reading it online, I expect).

A lot of the mediocrity in journalism can probably be explained by the simple fact that most journalists aren't very bright.

I'm baffled why more folks aren't talking about solar thermal.

Just a point of correction about this article. The mix of power production is not limited to coal and the cost of coal is not necessarily effectively measured by the cost of burning it.

The upshot: It is fair to say that wind, in windy places, is competitive with the portfolio of power production alternatives in high electricity states like California and New England. Solar thermal, at 12-15 cents / kWh has a distance to go before it's competitive.

I have long championed the expanded use of solar cells to power homes and recharge those plug in hybrids. Their ability to reliably generate electricity in a predictable manner (whereas wind power is not). I have also championed the use of hydrogen fuel cells for said homes to store excess electricity for the predictable times of no sunlight (like at night). For some reason the private sector hasn't caught on to this, and I believe it is due to imperfect information. If the Times and the Journal would write about how wise such investments are, they would surely be.

freddiemac, where did you do this championing? I'd like to read about it.

One small problem that you don't raise about wind and solar (unless we are discussing a fictional space array of solar satellites):

They have to be backed by more traditional power supplies. Why? Because electricity is an "always on" thing, and neither wind or solar are "always on". If you have a 10 megawatt wind farm, you also need 10 megawatts of power available from coal, oil, nuclear (etc). Even Hydro-power is no panacea; a prolonged drought can wreak havoc on it, too.

The costs are more complex than you or the Times would have us believe.

Bill, I've championed it to anyone who will listen, and mentioned it on internet blogs (like this one and others).

Achieving a close to zero emission economy is both feasible and profitable. It would require:
1.plug in hybrid diesel cars.
2.homes and buildings to be powered by solar cells and hydrogen fuel cells. The solar cells power things by day and excess juice is store in the fuel cells, which power things at night.
3.develop a high speed passenger rail system.
4.more walkable communities

the homeowner's savings in utilities will increase disposable income and economic growth, which can pay for the passenger rail lines that will replace short flight airlines. This too will result in savings as airlines represent a dead weight loss, as well as simply being more fuel efficient. And walkable communities not only reduce the amount of driving, but promote health which will reduce the amount that the US spends on health care per capita (currently most in the world). It actually kills two birds with one stone.

This isn't a pipe dream, the technology to do this is right here right now.

"They have to be backed by more traditional power supplies."

While the costs may be more complex than is indicated, there are alternatives (such as fuel cells mentioned earlier) that don't require traditional fossil fuel sources as a back-up. There are also sources, such as geothermal or biofuels, for which this "drawback" does not apply. An economy with heavy emphasis on hydrogen (fuel and energy storage), solar, and wind and carbon neutral biofuels (even some reliance on nuclear, though not at the expense of lower subsidies for the other technologies nor as the primary energy source) will offset fossil fuels and still meet diurnal energy demands.

The projected cost for nuclear power from new plants now under construction in Europe is in the ballpark of 5c/kWh. Interest rates are lower than during 80s, and this helps when most of the cost is capital amortized over 30 years.

Of course, a regulatory regime that may entail decade-long delays and cancelations after a plant is completed change the calculations so it is hard to extrapolate for USA.

Rihilism: I see you like my language and my science.

"The projected cost for nuclear power from new plants now under construction in Europe is in the ballpark of 5c/kWh."

Does that cost include subsidies?

"Rihilism: I see you like my language and my science."

I do? Not seeing any other posts by WMB here, so I'm missing something?

Its a good point but you create a false dichotomoy between articles that inform by providing facts and articles that obfuscate by providing quotes. Hardly any fact in the policy debate over our energy future is uncontested. As Rihilism points out the cost for any energy source depends on a whole host of factors, including subsidies, and without a waste storage plan and excluding the infrastructure improvements (for example) that would be required to support a major increase in nuclear power, the numbers can be deceptive--especially when we assume them to be explanatory or objective. Less spin would always be appreciated, but without sourcing requirements for publications--such as what blogs and wikipedia have been including lately--it is difficult to know what is fact and what is a projection masquerading as a fact. There is incredible potential for the web on this with respect to linking to original source material. To use an example of this blog after the long and heated debate over Sarkozy's call for more nuclear, and calls for Matt's head for declaring himself a nuclear agnostic, I read the MIT report he sourced cover to cover. IT matters less to me that some of the facts in that report stood in stark contrast to the arguments Sarkozy and maybe Matt were making, than the fact that I was able to quickly get a lot of information about nuclear power--e.g. according to that report only two countries have even sighted permanent storage facilities for spent nuclear waste. I can appreciate the arguments for nuclear, but I think any argument for nuclear at least has to address honestly the question of what we will do to store it.

Rihilism: you summed it up rather succintly; but I do feel it is important to stress the language of economic growth and consumer savings in a carbon neutral economy, for the necessity of political salesmanship. Dollars and cents is the only language that seems to permeate the dim American consciousness these days.

The difficulty, as JC alludes to, is quantifying these costs for ANY of the alternatives as well as for ANY of the existing technologies. Personally, I'd rather "sell" it based on economic and environmental benefits rather than cost reductions since the cost differentials can be easily muddied by the complexity of the problem and the solutions. Clean air and cutting edge technology is usually easier to sell. Even the discussions of the obvious drawbacks of finite resources such as fossil fuels and nuclear is easier to understand than the costs imposed by pumping more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere or nuclear waste down a hole.

But, however it is done, we should probably start pretty soon...

A small correction to the article: parabolic trough collectors boil water in the focal tube; tower solar concentrators, which reach much higher temperatures, now often cut out steam and heat air. Blown through a porous ceramic target, the air becomes hot enough to drive a gas turbine directly. A neglected technology, but Spain is building a couple of midsize power stations using both designs.

PS to Bill Robertson: the intermittency problem can be tackled using existing technologies. Pumped hydroelectric storage is one; another is to strengthen the nationwide electricity grid, as proposed by Barack Obama, which would smooth renewable energy variations by widening the catchment area beyond the size of a single weather system.

It's also worth noting that the non-renewable capacity kept for security would always be lower than renewable capacity in the pecking order as it has a higher marginal cost. Your hypothetical 50-50 mix in capacity could work out very differently in annual supply. Looking forward, hydrogen production could be done using interruptible renewable power. So you build say 3 terawatts of renewable capacity to meet the 1 terawatt of current peak demand. It's doable.

I can appreciate the arguments for nuclear, but I think any argument for nuclear at least has to address honestly the question of what we will do to store it.
Posted by JC

The antis and original "nuke is the worst energy source" Greenies made storage a political issue by claiming its storage hazards are too long-lived for any nation or civilization to give assurances it would be safe 8,000 years from now. And saying to anyone that wanted "No Nukes" that the industry could be destroyed in favor of blessed sun rays for power and organic hemp oil for lamps...the surefire way to kill it was to choke it on it's waste and force shutdown when no room was left for onsite storage.

Of course, that overlooked that the best answer was recyling wastes. 99.5% of each fuel assembly is recoverable. All but a miniscule fraction of long-lived waste is transuranics like plutonium and Neptunium - which can be reburned. 95% of fuel assemble weight is recoverable U-238 that can go into another core load in a reactor. About 350 pounds of a spent fuel assembly core offload is the short half-lived, but intensely radioactive fission products. Which lose 99% of their radioactivity in 300 years.

And diversion fears appear specious as US, Russian UK, France, Benelux, Israel, India, Pakistan, and Japan reprocess. The "Big 5" have been doing so for 50+ years for weapons and more recently civilian programs - without diversion of PU-239.

And as people constantly agitate against the sequestration of CO2-free nuke power spent fuel remember:

A. Unlike coal and natural gas, the nuke civilian industry has paid up through it's ratepayers to do sequestration.

B. No "assurances" exist that CO2 "sequestration would avid be verying hazardous. An African Vocano suddenly throws out 8 million tons of CO2 out, killing everybody, every living anunal over.

out to 3,000 freet from the crater.

I'd feal better having a nuke storage facilty 20 miles away that that stuff - 300-350 million tons CO2 sequestation at 12,000 feet, begging to come out.

"organic hemp oil..."

Sniff all you want, but it's a wonderful for lustrous, shiny hair... because I'm worth it...

"but it's a wonderful for lustrous"

Sorry, for a moment there I was channeling Lawrence Welk...

Really, Freddimac, I can see the appeal of home solar with storage, and it's going to be economical when the price of the cells drops a bit more, but using it to generate and store hydrogen is a non-starter, due to conversion losses. Why throw away that much energy, just because hydrogen seems cool?

Super capacitors are the way to go. They're a lot more efficient, and the energy density is just about there. By the time the cells are cheap enough, the caps will be, too.

This "the business page sometimes comes out and explains things clearly because they're not beholden to the political story" theme is a point frequently made by Krugman.

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