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How Empires Happen

05 Nov 2007 05:28 pm

One point that I think it's sometimes easy to overlook is the extent to which a policy of imperialism somewhere or other is compatible with that country remaining nominally sovereign in many respects. You probably know, for example, that Vietnam used to be a French colony. You may not, however, realize what a glance at yesterday's edition of Robert Farley's "Deposed Monarch Blogging" will tell you, namely that Vietnam was technically under the control of the Nguyen dynasty whose scion Nguyen Phuc Anh was embroiled in conflict with Tay Son peasant rebellions when he "asked for and received support from France, which helped him unify Vietnam in 1802." Over the course of the nineteenth century the dependence of the Nguyen regime on French support led to a situation where "by the 20th century, the monarch was seen as little more than a French puppet" but the last emperor didn't actually abdicate the post until 1945 and even then the French tried to have him installed as Head of State in South Vietnam.

Similarly, the United States effectively controlled Cuban affairs through the Platt Amendment and Dominican affairs through the US-Dominican Treaty for Assistance in Governing. An important part of the psychology of the Middle East is that the monarchies in the region are all successors to Vietnam-style arrangements where noble families secured control of their patches of land thanks to military assistance from Western powers who then allowed the Sauds, Sabahs, Husseins, etc. to sub-contract as local monarchs and the continuing pro-American orientation of those regimes combined with American support for the regimes can be understood as the United States simply taking the place of the British Empire. Along the same lines, Nasser rose to power in Egypt after participating in a coup that deposed a similarly situated monarch, and the decision of Anwar Sadat and Hosni Mubarak to make peace with Israel, accept US foreign aid, and adopt a generally America-friendly foreign policy is open to criticism as moving backwards from the anti-colonial tradition of Nasser.

Needless to say, few Americans see things this way, but Americans aren't well-known for our deep understanding of the history of foreign countries. But once you understand this view of the region's history, you can see that from this context the idea of the United States coming in to overthrow Iraq's Baath regime (another country that, like Egypt, once had a semi-colonial monarchy before it was replaced with an anti-colonial dictatorship) and install a new one more sympathetic to American foreign policy goals in the name of democracy wasn't going to have much credibility.

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Let's not forget the precedent of providing corporations with privileged operating rights in foreign countries, either.

Needless to say, few Americans see things this way, but Americans aren't well-known for our deep understanding of the history of foreign countries


The large fact looming behind all these 'installed' govts they are old provinces of the Ottoman Empire that they were put in place after the Ottoman Empire broke up after being on the losing side in WWI by the winning side in WWI. In order to know that, all one would have to do is watch 'Lawrence of Arabia'.

"install a new one more sympathetic to American foreign policy goals"

I seem to remember the Iraqi people electing the government.

Wow! An American has finally said this!

For years Arabs have been trying to tell anyone who'd listen that it's gonna be very tricky for Americans to preach democracy after decades of doing everything to destroy democracy and any notion of responsive or representative government.

If the Bushies really meant what they were saying about democracy, then they are real idiots for thinking that anyone in the Middle East would welcome them as a help to democracy (other than Chalabi.)

It's far more likely, of course, that they never meant any of this democracy bullsh1t, and it was something they were just doing to sell the war to Americans. That Arabs have been shouting for 6 years about the absurdity of this idea has of course not affected any American's perception of it. Even today, when criticizing the 'democratization' agenda, Americans blame its failure on the inability of Arabs to be proper humans, and not on the fact that it came perched on the tanks of the two countries that have done the most to destroy democracy and freedom in the Arab World.

Of course, the U.S., U.K., France, Russia/USSR, etc., were acting in what they perceived to be their national interests. The fact that their behavior often turned out to be not in their own best interests--not to mention that of the dominated peoples--and that many folks cautioned them to that effect, didn't seem to deter them, nor, I expect, will it do so in the future. And folly marches on.

I seem to remember the Iraqi people electing the government.

No, no, no. You see, to the Left-wing, an election is only valid if the person elected is sufficiently anti-American. To the Left, the proper response of all non-Americans to America is hatred of America, and therefore if anyone who is pro-American appears to have been elected, that person must have been "installed" by the American imperialists.

This has got to be a different Al, I don't remember his rhetoric being so crude.

There is an elected government in Iraq, but they don't run the country -- they don't have any sovereignty or control over the 180,000 troops occupying their country.

On Matt's post: always entertaining to watch young folks sloooowly working their way around to acknowledging stuff the left has been saying for decades. Watch out, Matt, soon you'll be one of the dreaded "Chomsky-ites"!

Matt...Nice post, but you are merely stating the obvious. The question is: why isn't this done more often by other bloggers? Would Andrew Sullivan ever see what is in front of his nose and call this for the imperial adventure that it is? I doubt it.

1.No, the Saudis is the exception.

2. Lots of Americans see it that way.

The government of Iraq doesn't control the American troops currently in the country, but what has that to do with whether the US has "install[ed]" a government in Iraq that is "more sympathetic to American foreign policy goals"? We clearly didn't, since the Iraqi election was free and fair.

Matthew's post simply doesn't make sense with respect to Iraq. We simply cannot be "install[ing]" any government that is elected in a free and fair election.

You see, to the Left-wing, an election is only valid if the person elected is sufficiently anti-American.

Actually, I think the opposite of this is much more common--the right-wing doesn't accept an election as valid if the person elected is not sufficiently pro-American (or pro Israel). The Palestinian election of Hamaas is but one recent example. Also, let us not forget that Ahmadinejad and Chavez were both elected.

I'll admit that Dave's point is a good one and not lightly dismissed. Certainly the fact that we've installed an electoral republic in Iraq makes the situation different from Matt's other examples. However, Dave, and Al, I don't think you can lightly dismiss that fact that the US continues to exert quite a bit of control over there, can you? There may be an elected government, but they still operation within a framework that we created and our influence is huge--given our overwhelming military presence.

The possibility of the Iraqis electing an openly anti-US and anti-occupation government appears to be nil. So this is hardly a bastion of independence.

In order to know that, all one would have to do is watch 'Lawrence of Arabia'.

I'm sure hundreds of thousands of Americans have seen that movie and have never made the connection. If you don't bring a modicum of knowledge of Ottoman history and geography with you to the film, the Turks and Arabs may as well be Klingons and Vulcans. Hollywood films are generally poor teaching vehicles.

j mct-
If you are going to be snarky, I suggest you try and make some sense first.

Yes, Al I am offended by the Iraqi government's pro-american stands and conclude it must be installed by CIA ballot-rigging. It is just SO pro-American! I mean, it is busily reconciling factions, pushing such an anti-Iran agenda, and every second making clear how much gratitude it feels towards America and the depth of its desire for us and our contractors to stay. It even shows its desire to emulate our president by taking long vacations in the midst of crises.

All the American politicians and journalists heaping praise on Maliki just get me so mad at the Iraqi government, it makes me bite my pillow in rage Al.

This has got to be a different Al, I don't remember his rhetoric being so crude.

Sadly, it seems to be the same Al. But you're certainly correct that he's become far stupider. While I date his deterioration to the Democratic takeover of Congress, correlation does not necessary mean causation. Maybe he just hit his head on something.

... you can see that from this context the idea of the United States coming in to overthrow Iraq's Baath regime (another country that, like Egypt, once had a semi-colonial monarchy before it was replaced with an anti-colonial dictatorship) and install a new one more sympathetic to American foreign policy goals in the name of democracy wasn't going to have much credibility.

Oh, if only it were as simple a matter as installing a new government here or there. But in fact, since the beginning of the war the US has been building the infrastructure for the more-or-less permanent military and political occupation of Iraq. The US is now just about as dug-in in Iraq as anywhere else in the world. No wonder our leading Democratic politicians are left only to compete among themselves with proposed invented missions for the intractable US presence in Mesopotamia. Who among them would dare propose pulling the plug on a project into which we have already sunk so many resources, and which now counts so many economic and military interests with a vested stake.

This is another one of those hidden-in-plain-sight issues of which the left has a devil of a time convincing our more centrist liberal friends to take any consistent notice, and attempted discussion of which is guaranteed only to raise accusations of paranoid anti-American delusions.

Another characteristic of imperial states is a general tendency among its citizens to regard decisions about the basing of military forces to be a question for professionals, lying outside the proper sphere of ordinary politics. Imperial citizens don't think they have any business telling the imperial garrisons where they should or should not put down stakes.

Musa,
You said: "Would Andrew Sullivan ever see what is in front of his nose and call this for the imperial adventure that it is? I doubt it."

On May 15th, 2007, Sullivan said (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/palmetto_pundit.html): "McCain supports a war without end, a permanent occupation of Iraq .. [] .. He's for empire, as are Cheney and Bush .. [] .. empire is the new Republican consensus."

I can't say that I admire Sullivan's general views on the Middle East, but with regards to Bush and Cheney, he started seeing what was in front of his nose some time ago, even if he was later than some.


Matt,
Good post, but I have one comment. You said: "Nasser rose to power in Egypt after participating in a coup that deposed a similarly situated monarch, and the decision of Anwar Sadat and Hosni Mubarak to make peace with Israel, accept US foreign aid, and adopt a generally America-friendly foreign policy is open to criticism as moving backwards from the anti-colonial tradition of Nasser."

You're right, such criticism is made in Egypt and throughout the Arab world, but I would emphasize that this is not the exclusive Egyptian interpretation of the policies of Nasser's successors (Sadat in particular). Two other narratives are accepted: (1) that Sadat's move to make peace with Israel and move closer to America was a shift away from Nasser's failed pan-Arabism towards a foreign policy centered more on Egyptian national interests, and (2) that Sadat and Mubarak's moves constituted a realignment of Egyptian Cold War and post- Cold War policy away from the Communist bloc towards the American bloc.

I point this out, at the risk of stating the obvious, just to emphasize that the narratives don't necessarily break down into one believed exclusively by America and another believed exclusively by the Arab world.

Khaled,
Good point. He has come around on Bush/Cheney, which must have been hard, so its too his credit. But I wonder if he sees other U.S interventions as part of U.S empire building? Afghanistan? Israel?

The Brits supported Ibn Saud's Wahhabi
proclivities in the early 20th century
thanks to Philby and Cox; despite their experience
with Wahhabi involvement in the Raj post
Mutiny and the fact that the Hashemites were the only party that really fought the Germans and Turks. Nasser one recalls was backed by the likes
of Copeland and Eichelberger; because they thought
Farouk's regime was too ineffective. Ironically, had Suez worked out the beneficiaries would have likely been a MB influenced regime. Nasser's nationalist proclivities really drove him into the hands of the Soviets; Sadat reversed the pattern by inviting American advisors and unbanning the MB the starkest contradiction imaginable. Iraq, an increasingly Shia majority
population has been almost exclusively under Sunni rule since the 1500s.

Even the Romans were invited into Greece by one of the factions in a war.

Who knew that Greece would be subsumed into the Roman Empire, then the Eastern Roman Empire, and finally the Ottoman Empire for the next 2000 years.

(Ignoring the despotage in Morea, and the fact that the the Eastern Roman Empire gave up on Latin).

I'm unsure which Arab-speaking countries besides perhaps Jordan you are talking about: Algeria? Libya? Syria? Ibn Saud was hardly a puppet of the United States government. Nasser was saved by Eisenhower in 1956, did that make him an American puppet? In 1990, Kuwait wasn't a puppet of America -- that's why Saddam took it over.

Not incompatible with petty imperialism at the level of the subordinate states either; the word "unify" below:

"asked for and received support from France, which helped him unify Vietnam in 1802"

covers up a lot of fast footwork in terms of the (second) Nguyen dynasty ending up in control of large parts of Vietnam which had historically been politically if not ethnically distinct.

What is this "policy of imperialism" you are speaking of? I'm sure it's propriety for a certain context will be known, but it's a poor term to describe the process in which weak princes in unstable countries appeal to and utilize foreign muscle to neutralize the situation and save their butts. More like a "policy of being a client kingdom", in which the relation between the vassalage of your country and it's sovereignty are rather obvious.


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