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11 Nov 2007 07:02 pm

Garance Franke-Ruta reports from Iowa on the Village's field trip: "The joke last night at the Hotel Fort Des Moines bar is that the last thing you want to do the morning after a potentially-momentum generating speech is go on Meet the Press with Tim Russert, because he’s such a tough questioner." The level of respect most political journalists have for Russert is hard to overstate, as is the extent to which I find it difficult to respect people who respect Russert.

The crux of the matter is this reputation for being a "tough questioner" and the notion that Russert's brand of toughness is worthy of emulation. And it's true that Russert is a tough questioner. Watch any Russert-moderated debate or a typical candidate appearance on Meet The Press and you'll see that he goes way out of the way to put the politician in a tough corner -- he'll ask about some unimportant issue that's politically awkward, he'll drag up a quote from five years ago to try to trip you up, he'll ask about stuff your husband said, he'll harp on whatever recent story has most damaged your candidacy -- he's tough.

But while I wouldn't want to say that "tough questioning" is a bad thing, making toughness the goal is perverse. The goal should be to inform the audience. Climate change, for example, is a hugely important question. As a result, candidates ought to be subjected to questions about their climate change plans. And as it happens, the plans released by Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Edwards are all based on good science and good economics. So asking them questions aimed at elucidating their plans shouldn't lead to any embarrassing incidents. Shouldn't, that is, unless the candidates are unprepared to discuss their own plans in an intelligent manner which really would be worth knowing about.

John McCain, by contrast, might or might not end up embarrassed by serious questions about his plan, which moves in the right direction but on a schedule that's too slow and in a way that's too inefficient. Serious questions would give him the opportunity to make the case for half-measures and whether or not he winds up embarrassing himself would turn on whether or not he can give a convincing rationale for what he's doing -- which is at it should be. His Republican counterparts, by contrast, would almost certainly wind up embarrassed by serious questions about their views of climate change since their policies are badly at odds with reality.

Turning back to the Democrats, a serious question about Clinton's biofuels subsidies or Barack Obama's past support of coal gasification schemes might prompt some embarrassment and would be worth asking. But it would be bizarre to jump initially to these topics since they're less important than the more general issue of carbon caps and auctioned permits and voters deserve to hear about the important issues. But Russert wouldn't do it that it. It wouldn't be "tough" to provide politicians with an opportunity to explain their plans. Rather, the "tough" thing to do would be to leap straight ahead to whatever question is most likely to create problems for the politician irrespective of the importance of the issue. The reason, of course, is that Russert doesn't care -- at all -- about whether or not his actions inform the American electorate. Rather, he cares about creating a "news-making" event -- likely something embarrassing for the politician -- and about burnishing his reputation for toughness. He attracts a circle of admirers who share his perverse and unethical lack of concern for whether or not his work helps produce an informed public, gobs of less-prominent television journalists seek to emulate his lack of concern with informing the public, print journalists eagerly court opportunities to appear on the non-informative shows hosted by Russert and his emulators, and down the rabbit hole we go.

But he's tough.

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Wow, bravo. The best Russert takedown I've ever read. You really need to do some video segments about Russert, and intersperse some good clips of Russert being tough in a counterproductive manner. This critique needs to get out into the MSM.

he is also poorly informed about most issues, which leads us to the continuing question is just what it is elite journalists like russert do all day, since informing themselves is nowhere near the top of their to-do list.

Great post, Matt. This nails the problem: entertainment vs education.

Right frigging on!

I have tired listening to him rant on and on about little things, when the big issues just seem to float on by.

Very well done Matt.

I would only add that Russert's style is also lazy. No need to study and inform himself of the policy proposals of his guest, and the pros and cons of those proposals.

Much easier to just find a couple scabs to pick at.

Russert is the problem.

I would only add that Russert's style is also lazy. No need to study and inform himself of the policy proposals of his guest, and the pros and cons of those proposals.

Much easier to just find a couple scabs to pick at.

Indeedy. Russert just needs to read the quotes his staff finds for him.

If Russert was actually 'tough' in the manner you want, he wouldn't get the 'gets' he has now.

Climate change, for example, is a hugely important question. As a result, candidates ought to be subjected to questions about their climate change plans.

Oh, come on. These are politicians, they have no idea what they are talking about. Do you think Obama wrote his climate change plan? If we wanted to have a serious discussion about Obama's plan, we would need to talk with Obama's policy advisers. We're not going to learn anything about climate change talking to Obama. I'd bet he doesn't know the first thing about how coal is gasified, the environmental impact of gasified coal, or how important it will be to our energy needs in the future. He previously supported it because the person who briefed him made it sound like a good idea. If it turns out not to be a good idea then we get the mother of all ridiculous political responses:

If I knew then, what I know now.....

I think Russert's brand of toughness does inform the public. We get to see how the candidate responds under pressure. We get to see how quick witted and nimble minded the candidate is. We get a real sense of what the candidate is actually like. We get to see what a complete dick Cheney is. This is information we do not get from print journalists, debates, or wonkish policy discussions.

Good analysis, marred by a lack of good editing.

1) I don't think Russert is tough. Because, as Matthew notes, Russert doesn't ask the really tough questions -- i.e, those which might expose the damage some powerful special interests do to this country.

Tim Russert didn't acquire his wealth, his income level -- his position -- by pissing off powerful special interests.

2) The "Mainstream Media" deceives the citizens of this country as much by what they don't say -- the news they DON'T report -- as by what they do say.

To create a false impression in a viewer's mind by only reporting some of the facts --while covering up other, major facts -- is just as deceitful as telling an actual falsehood to the viewer.

In my opinion, Our news broadcasts are the functional equivalent of lying on a massive scale.

These are all good points, but there's another topic which Russert is a particularly egregious about, and it is Social Security. He's not inclined to say that "critics say" Social Security is in crisis, he just asserts it as fact.

And for all of the gotcha questions he asks Hillary about what Bill Clinton has said, why isn't Russert the journalist called into account for what his wife, the journalist, has written about Hillary?

"Indeedy. Russert just needs to read the quotes his staff finds for him."

If you listen closely, you can tell his staff has the quotes fed to them by various opposition research shops

Russert?

This is simple: First, don't go on the show. It does no good. Second, attack the asshole every time he makes a mistake.

Don't feed his ego and agenda, for Christ's sake. He doesn't matter unless the candidate makes him matter.

Good post, but there was a truly wonderful takedown of Russert by Joe Queenan in the NYT Book Review a few months ago. He was writing about ghostwriting, and found that

A perfect example of the shadow looming over the ghostwriting-industrial complex is Tim Russert's memoir, ''Big Russ and Me.'' This is the heartwarming 2004 best seller in which the distinguished newsman pays tribute to his wonderful father, a man of great character, grace and common decency who taught Russert all the important things in life -- like how to hire Lee Iacocca's ghost to write a book about how graceful and decent your dad is, but not to put the ghostwriter's name right there on the cover, because that might make it seem less heartwarming.

Tim Russert does a blue-collar minstrel show for elites. He's about as blue collar as Steve Forbes but his devotion to the Bills and the myth of Buffalo gives the elite 1% of our society a pink pencil like a dog humping America. He's an everyman like Al Jolson is Martin Luther King Jr. but nobody who watches Meet the Press for 'news' can tell the difference.

Fine, point made about Russert. Why doesn't a politician look him in the eye and say, as you have, "Tim, your line of questioning as to my position on clean energy does nothing to illuminate my views and policies for the electorate. You're seeking to sensationalize and ridicule statements made long ago in a different era. I won't dignify such insipid queries, however I will tell you what my current proposals are should you choose a more civil, germaine line of questioning." We won't see that because just as a Congress with majorities in both houses still caves to Bush, Democratic candidates cave to people like Russert. As Bill Maher has been quoted, can even one Democrat grow a damn ball? The answer is no, one can't.

dude, steve, if you attack the press corps, they attack you back. that's why no candidate does that -- it'd be political suicide, not cojones. it's up to us writerly types to get tim russert un-invited from all those swell cocktail parties so all the other political journos can find someone else to whom to kowtow. preferably colbert.

Russert resembles the potato he shares a name with: he's massive, dense, bland, starchy - but piping, piping hot.

Great points by Mr. Yglesias! But the dirty little secret that the media and the politicians want to ignore is that Russert reserves his gotchas for Democrats. Republicans are smothered with marshmallows. Hillary in particular has become the great white whale of the NBC news/slander machine. Edwards and Obama may delight in this for a while but once Hillary has been taken down NBC and Russert will turn its sights on them. Until the Democrats stand up to Russert and goons like him they are going to get slandered all the way through 2008, just like Gore did in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. The Democrats will all have "Character" issues. The Republicans will all be "Authentic" and "Straight shooters." We are seeing this swill already.

marc h:
That's bull crap!! Did Gore or Kerry attack the press? Yet the press attacks them anyway. Unless you stand up to a POS like Mr. Potato Head(Russert), they'll always pull the same crap. Russert is a fraud and a phony, the sooner he is exposed as such, all the better.

The Clinton campaign is much more comfortable when they get to plant the questions in advance.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/hillary_camp_planted_question_at_campaign_stop.php

The myth of Buffalo is true. Well except for the exaggerated amount of snow, wings and beer.

Fine, point made about Russert. Why doesn't a politician look him in the eye and say, as you have, "Tim, your line of questioning as to my position on clean energy does nothing to illuminate my views and policies for the electorate. You're seeking to sensationalize and ridicule statements made long ago in a different era. I won't dignify such insipid queries, however I will tell you what my current proposals are should you choose a more civil, germaine line of questioning." We won't see that because just as a Congress with majorities in both houses still caves to Bush, Democratic candidates cave to people like Russert.

No, you won't see it because if someone were to do that, he or she wouldn't appear on MTP again. Or on any of the other shows that set the Village agenda. Too embarrassing. Bill Clinton did it to someone on CNN, but he's not running for anything--and you won't see hiim on the Sunday morning gasbag shows either.

Closest I've seen is webb. But he still doesn't confront the hosts.

And do remember the testimony during the Libby trial. Cheney preferred MTP as the place to get his message out. Timmeh asks one "tough" question and then never follows up. That works fine for Cheney. He lies in response to the tough question, and then says what he wanted to say after that, with no gainsay.

Russert isn't tough. He's a partisan willing to lie in his interviews, either by omission or commission.
WWW>Dailyhowler.com covers this on an almost daily basis.
I'm willing to bet that if someone were to research all of Russert's surprise questions; they'd come up with the same level of accuracy as Ann Coulter's foot notes.

I have to side with Just Karl.

The Presidential candidates are auditioning for the highest executive job on the planet. They need to show voters the quality of their thinking, how they act under pressure, what priorities or policies of theirs might change under evolving circumstances.

How they resolve contradictions.

How quick-witted and nimble minded they are.

Not how they regurgitate talking points or wish to sit and do nothing but - for example - talk about "the disabled children and how my policies will address their every need as I cover the liberal female demographic...." That's what Larry King and various partisan hack outlets like O'Reilly, Air America, Rush, the NYTimes, Chris Matthews are for - pimp their candidates, explain to voters why their favorite's plans are wonderful and why their disliked politicans stink and are evil.

Not Russert. After elections he wants more explaining. During campaigns he works as one of the People's job interviewers...informing us, with his questions and their answers...is this person fit for office?

Timmeh asks one "tough" question and then never follows up.

jayackroyd has it. Russert will have someone on the ropes, then he'll launch into a whole different series of questions that are easy to answer.

Because he has no friggin' idea what makes sense and what doesn't.

He's not well informed. He just reads clippings that someone (MTP staffers? Oppo researchers?) hands him.

marc h:
That's bull crap!! Did Gore or Kerry attack the press? Yet the press attacks them anyway. Unless you stand up to a POS like Mr. Potato Head(Russert), they'll always pull the same crap. Russert is a fraud and a phony, the sooner he is exposed as such, all the better.

um, objection: irrelevant?

i'm not sure how press attacks on kerry/gore despite their not taking on the press proves that they would've done BETTER if they'd said they were being attacked by the press. look at how much love edwards gets, and he's talked the most openly of all of the candidates about the press's role in this stuff.

it's very awkward for a candidate to criticize the press because the press controls how the candidate will be presented. and the press tends to be pretty self-righteous-- see the emerging storyline about how hillary shouldn't be miffed about the latest debate because, hey, timmy only had the nerve to ask her QUESTIONS. the press expects their subjects to accuse them of bias. after all, if both liberals and conservatives criticize us, then doesn't that mean we're doing our jobs? (not at all, but that doesn't change the typical journalistic self-image.)

the people with the actual power to change the narratives are the narrative-makers. these include the likes of e.j. dionne and bob herbert, ostensibly "liberal" columnists who never say anything interesting, EVER.

as it is, if obama takes on russert, who's going to stand up for him? a couple of blog commenters? i can smell president giuliani already. and he doesn't bathe very often, because he's a straight-shooting manly man.

every now and then i wonder whether torture-supporter chris ford really is just a performance artist. no actual human intelligence could claim that tim russert wants "explaining," nor that he is one of the "People's" job interviewers. it's just not possible, even for a torture-supporter to believe something that inane.

No, it's perfectly reasonable to test candidates' verbal quickness and emotional toughness the way Russert does because they will be tested in the same manner when in office by all the people who want things from them. If a President can be pushed around, he or she _will_ be pushed around.

I think Russert's brand of toughness does inform the public. We get to see how the candidate responds under pressure. We get to see how quick witted and nimble minded the candidate is. We get a real sense of what the candidate is actually like.

We get a real sense of what they're like when some chowderhead is pestering them on teevee, which has very little to do with how good of a president the candidate would be.

The skill set that allows one to excel at dog-and-pony shows like Meet the Press is almost entirely distinct from the skill set that would make someone a good president.

Why all the anger at Russert?

If he asks stupid questions, a good candidate will answer it in such a way as to make the issue moot.

Think our next president is going to have to field stupid, off topic nonsense when dealing with the whack job world *leaders* of today?

Think there will never come a time in our next president's tenure he won't be faced with some *issue* tossed at him by some *very important* interest group and have to deal with it diplomatically?

Good grief...if all the press would do their jobs in the manner of true journalism, Russert would become irrelevant.

We deserve to see our candidates unscripted. If it takes Russert picking scabs to get that, so be it.

At least until the rest of the *journalists* step up and do the job they should be doing.

every now and then i wonder whether torture-supporter chris ford really is just a performance artist.

It's long been my belief that he's doing a long-form performance piece, in which he is creating and elaborating a character inspired by Cheers' Cliff Clavin.

Russert's Rudy-worship is annoying , but Barack missed an opportunity to use Russert's ('Rudy says you don't have experience ..') question by pointing to Rudy and pointing out that he is a worse Mayor than Bloomberg, so if you want a good Mayor - than vote Bloomber. He could have added that Rudy has less business experience than Mitt and less military experience than McCain etc

If he did this cleverly, Rudy would attack back and this would bump HRC off the news for a few days.

Barack could also point out that Cheney was a poor CEO at Halliburton - by any neutral measure - and this was called good experience at the time. But look what these experienced people did.

Chris Ford IS Cliff Claven.

You nailed it, Matt! Very good points. The lack of ehtics is the core of what's wrong with journamalism today.
:-|

I'd also point out that what Russert does is freaking LAZY.

It's easy to ask gotcha questions about old land mines - your husband blocked access to papers from 1993, Mrs Clinton - than to actually sit down and read through the necessarily long and boring and complicated pages of actual contemporaneous policy.

He gets to act tough while doing no real work. That he thinks that's a good gig - and admirable - speaks to his character as well as his work ethic.

Thanks, Matt. What I find interesting is that candidates take Russert seriously. If they want high office then they should take on people like Russert and Matthews head on. What about: That's a silly question/You obviously want a simple answer to a complex question/ now let me explain why your question really reflects some shallow thinkingTim /Tim don't you see how selective you are. But candidates are so busy thinking about not getting something wrong that they forget that those viewers who want to see Russert slammed.

All one has to do is watch the treatment of McCain. 100% deferential. Cheney: can't get down on one's knees soon enough.

Yesterday Matthews on CMS talked about Rudy without mentioning Kerik. But his chorus never said a word.

I don't watch MTP and will now stop CMS. Gave up on Tucker long ago and take Hardball only to switch off in 10-15 mins.

The web is the place to be.

Any high school debater can tick off various positions on issues that would be favorable to Mr. Yglesias. But character is central to any candidacy because we need to access the chances that a candidate will actually accomplish his stated goals with regard to global warming, social security, etc.

And that's why Russert's questions are pertinent. If Russert can point out instances in which a candidate changed his position an an important issue to suit the politics of the moment, or instances in which a candidate was ineffective in accomplishing his stated policy, and if the candidate cannot refute Russert's "gotcha" examples, then we know that that candidate's stated positions aren't worth much, because they do not predict his or her actions as President.

Brian: I take your point. But a candidate who said something in 1992 and changed a position in 2004 should be asked to explain the reason for the change. There is no particular virtue in consistency. The idea that one can predict his or her actions as President sounds unexceptionable in a discussion. But President have had to change positions depending on circumstances. So setting out something before Russert is not immutable.

If you look at Pakistan and India every President was against their acquiring a nuclear bomb. That was asked time and again by the talking heads and candidates always said they would oppose Pakistan and India's effort to get the n weapon. But when it happened what did Presidents in office actually do?

Just Karl wrote, We get to see how the candidate responds under pressure.

No, we get to see how they respond to a particular type of pressure. IMHO a kind which isn't really all that relevant.

Sure, someone who scores high in that sense might make fewer gaffes, but it says nothing about how they'll respond to, say, an international crisis.

We get to see how quick witted and nimble minded the candidate is.

Someone can be quick witted and superficially nimble-minded without having deep intelligence, wisdom, tenacity, etc, etc.

They are good traits for a debating team member or a stand-up comedian, of course.

Steve duncan,

Do you really want your candidate to go around spouting phrases like "insipid queries"? If so, forget about winning any red states.

"If Russert can point out instances in which a candidate changed his position an an important issue to suit the politics of the moment"

IF! But Russert doesn't even try to do this, probably because it would be too much of an effort to investigate the stance of a candidate on an important issue and to search for any recent statement that really shows bigotry (not so difficult in the cases of McCain, Giuilani, but also Obama, imho). Instead, he's satisfied with finding ANY snippet that can be constructed as flipflopping, even if the 'evidence' is 14 years old. Again, as Matt rightly remarks, obviously Russert's main goal isn't to expose the bigotry of politicians on important issues, but simply to produce another 'gotcha' moment regardless of the political relevance (and ignoring the common sense explanation that people might change under the influence of a decade of new experiences). Timmey would make a huge stink if he could reveal that anybody changed his stance on the most favorite bible quote in the course of the last 20 years, but how is this supposed to help the voters with their decision?

"If so, forget about winning any red states."

Red states? What red states? This kind of thinking is soo three years ago...
:P

Just Karl: "Oh, come on. These are politicians, they have no idea what they are talking about."

Well, excuse me! And you do?

If so, then why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and run for public office yourself?

Until then, well, as the old saying goes, "talk is cheap."

Alan, I think you're right, and the more important inquiry, in my view, is in the area of competencies, i.e., What have you actually done in the past? Most of the time when Russert posts on the video screen some quote from 20 years ago, it's not too useful.

Being a right-winger, this isn't my typical forum, but I am a little amazed (only a little) that the more experienced Democratic candidates like Senators Dodd and Biden are in the single digits, while the comparatively inexperienced Obama and Clinton are the contenders. Being someone's wife is not a qualification, and I don't know of any substantive accomplishments of Clinton or Obama in the Senate. So, I think Russert's questions to Obama on the issue of experience were fair, but he should have the honesty to ask them out of his own mouth, and not in the form of "critics say" or "Rudy says..."

Hey, welcome to the left blogosphere Brian. You're more thoughtful and less propagandistic than the usual right-wing commenter we get around here.

I agree with you about Dodd and Biden (Dodd in particular). But I think extended service in only teh Senate tends to taint a politician a bit, too much legislative compromising and windbaggery.

BTW, Hilary has a reputation as quite a good Senator, but being in the minority most of the 2000-06 period means it was hard to get many big accomplishments.

Well, excuse me! And you do?

No, Donald, I'm not claiming to know either. But deep discussions into what bdr called the "long and boring and complicated pages of actual contemporaneous policy" would produce a situation where Russert doesn't really know what the hell he's asking about, the guest doesn't really know what he's talking about, and the audience is in no position to judge the value of the information.

Also, while some of Russert's questions in the debate were poor, I don't like the "your husband said this" nonsense, Hillary tripped up on a perfectly legitimate and relevant question about immigration.

Full disclosure: I am an ABC Democrat and it seems to me that those who rail against Russert are all Hillary supporters.

about a year ago, senator ted kennedy was on mtp and cheney's buttboy pulled his patented gotcha with a friggin kennedy video clip from 1965(!).

and, man, was he proud of himself. that fat face could barely contain his smug self-satisfaction. i loath that pig.

it's perfectly reasonable to test candidates' verbal quickness and emotional toughness the way Russert does because they will be tested in the same manner when in office by all the people who want things from them.

Actually, Russert tests them this way to see if they will be able to 'take it' when....Russert (and people like him) test them this way. It's circular. There's a tiny bit of truth to what Steve and others say here, but it's mostly bunk - what these shitty journalists actually do, for the most part, is justify themselves and their stupid jobs. In any event, to the extent this sort of testing does have any value, it's minor compared with what else journalists are supposed to do - IOW, this 'testing' might be minorly necessary, but is miles from being sufficient.

Just Karl:

No, you don't have to be a Hillary supporter to raise questions about Russert or others for that matter. If Russert is such a knowledgeable journalist he does need quotes from 10 years ago. He can get into a give and take on issues without quotations, charts and the other flim flam that passes for serious engagement. It is really good to have 40 minutes for a sustained discussion; time to explore four or five issues in depth and force a candidate to deal with substance.

Instead I come away with the impression that Russert is tough on Democrats and far less so on Republicans. His treatment of Rice, Cheney and mcCain is in stark contrast to HRC and Obama.

For what its worth I feel that politicians should not defer to talking heads. One side comes across as evasive and the other as superficial. Which is why I gave up on the Sunday gabfest, and see bits and bytes on Crooks and Liars, etc. Can't stomach the stuff anymore.

Full disclosure: I am an ABC Democrat and it seems to me that those who rail against Russert are all Hillary supporters.
Posted by Just Karl | November 12, 2007 8:50 AM

"I am not partizan, why some of my best friends are democrats."
JK, you reek of lee atwater.
Your crocodile concern is noted.

Russert is only 'tough' on those that threaten might GE, the ultimate paymaster and arbiter of what he cares about.

Russert's focus on policy irrelevancies intended to make politicians squirm is little more than a symptom of journalism's overall focus on the horse race rather than policy. Given the enduring nature of this bias for the horse race, I suspect it accurately reflects demand side characteristics.

Russert repeatedly asks the equivalent of "Have you stopped beating your spouse yet?" That's not tough questioning; it's exactly as you put it Matt--questioning designed to embarrass the interviewee. Thank's for writing about Russert's tripe.

"liberal" at 7:35 AM really gets it regarding the valuable service that some commenters say Russert provides:

"Someone can be quick witted and superficially nimble-minded without having deep intelligence, wisdom, tenacity, etc, etc.

They are good traits for a debating team member or a stand-up comedian, of course."

Or good traits for a politician on mtp, but superficial and irrelevant otherwise. It's also true that it's just entertainment. How many times do we need to explain that people change their positions as circumstances change. Timmy's gotcha questions are simply playground taunts.
I don't know if he really leans toward Republican policies or if he just sucks up to power and loves the opportunity to pick on someone less powerful whom he can cast as an upstart nobody. I suspect it's the latter and that he has no real values whatsoever.

Tim Russert is an interviewer in the mold of Sam Donaldson, who would yell something at Bill Clinton as he was walking away from a press conference or to a helicopter, like, "Is it true that Whitewater is a moral disaster on the lines of the Teapot Dome Scandal?" The question isn't designed to yield useful information; it's to burnish the reporter's reputation as a tough guy. Except that Russert doesn't yell as loud as Sam and asks his questions in the studio ...

Re Donald from Hawaii's comment "If so, then why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and run for public office yourself?

Until then, well, as the old saying goes, "talk is cheap.""
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Yeah, but TV time isn't. Which is why our leaders lie through their teeth to cover up how they betray us for wealthy interests -- for the campaign donations so essential for survival.

And the huge profits TV makes off the PUBLIC airwaves from the current game probably explains why they are so amiable about helping politicians lie to the American people.

So long as the politicians don't threaten to end the current farce. If a politician does so --like Howard Dean suggested during his campaign -- then the TV networks destroy the politician's campaign with highly deceitful coverage.

Like the way the TV networks falsely showed Dean ranting after Iowa -- whereas Dean was really trying to make himself heard over the cheers of his supporters. Cheers which the TV networks muted/cut out.

We should require the TV networks to give free and equal airtime to candidates --without charge --as a condition for access to the public airwaves and as a requirement for a license to use the defacto monopoly of cable TV. Since the politicans play with the FCC in a malign way, we should ordain this requirement in a Constitutional Amendment.

You are mistaken. Russert hammers Democrats with misinformation, disinformation and outright falsehoods while he gives tongue baths to his favorite Republican candidates.

I think you're being disingenous, Matt.

I think you know why Russert spawns so many emulators and it isn't his gotcha style. It's his success.

Play the MSNBC game, keep Republicans in power, make the Dems look like hapless losers and maybe you too can live on Nantucket, write best selling books, and jet around giving well paid speeches.

As long as the Right holds the media purse strings "analysis" such as yours is the best we're going to get. Well fine but please spare us any speeches about how you're on the progressive side.

If YouTube had been around in Jan. 2004, the Dean campaign could have put out an unadulterated video showing the aural context of his "rant". It's too bad.

According to Matt and Kevin, Russert performs a stale, stupid version of gotcha journalism. But land o’ goshen, people! He does it to everyone! Matt implies that Russert goes after both parties. Following up, Kevin seems to comes right out and say it—though we’ll admit that his language is framed in such a way that he hasn’t actually said this.

Let’s be plain: It’s virtually impossible to quantify the “partisanship” of someone like Russert. That said: At this point, it’s astounding when liberals go out of their way to say that Russert treats Republicans the same way he treats Democrats. If you want to know how Dems lose elections, just gaze on the way these two fine fellows refuse to fight; refuse to observe; refuse to stand up for your side.

http://dailyhowler.com/

Russert has entered the lazy zone of relying on a style to get him by. The people seem to like this shtick so he does it over and over and over.

In fact, he's refined it to a point that most likely his researchers/writers put the whole thing together for him and he just has to show up and do his routine. This happens to performers. He needs to change his style or he risks becoming a parody of himself... or else I suppose he could try being a journalist.

Again...good grief.

Stand up for your side? What the heck is that?

I like that candidates have to squirm. All candidates. Recently, Hillary fell apart under the softest of all pressures, Obama seemed to skate right through it.

Tells me something about the two of them.

If there are better tough questions to ask, better ways to frame them, prod the MSM to take that tack. Or fill the blogs with that tack which will lead the MSM to follow.

But please, quit whining.

So in other words,Matt thinks that Tim Russert should just be another 'house queer' for the Democrats like he is?....just another partisan hack posing as an objective journalist?....why am I NOT surprised?

Mr. Yglesias, it is good that I found your piece because you are very instructive of what people like you think. I am even more amused by the fawning of your ilk. Let's see, Tim Russert is off base because his tough questions didn't related to biofuels but rather to illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses. Do I read you correctly? Are you kidding me with this? There are no tough questions about bio fuels because they aren't viable and while the government can pretend to have an answer to their viability they actually don't. You can all discuss all the alternative fuels you want however there is an oligopoly in the oil industry and they don't really want to bite the hands that feed them, petroleum. Now, if you want to ask the the candidates if they have the courage to break them up, that might be an interesting question, however that doesn't make the question about illegals any less interesting.

The problem you and your ilk have is that you think everyone thinks like you. They don't. While you and your ilk find illegal immigration to be about as important I find Brittney Spears' schedule, the rest of the country is quite concerned. Hillary Clinton's policy borders on open borders, no pun intended, and the country is entitled to know exactly where she stands.

While her stance on bio fuels maybe important, it is no more important than her stance on illegal immigration. Ultimately, it isn't Russert's priorities you have a problem with but rather that he made her look really, really, really, bad.

"He attracts a circle of admirers who share his perverse and unethical lack of concern for whether or not his work helps produce an informed public, gobs of less-prominent television journalists seek to emulate his lack of concern with informing the public, print journalists eagerly court opportunities to appear on the non-informative shows hosted by Russert and his emulators, and down the rabbit hole we go."

Why do I suspect that Matt's condemnation of Russert's "perverse and unethical concern for whether or not his work helps produce an informed public" is better translated as, his (Russert's) "inability to understand that, as a prominent member of the MSM, he must do nothing to embarrass a prominent Democratic candidate and in this way weaken their chances for taking back the Whitehouse in 08...I mean, Jesus fucking Christ, whose side is he on?"

This article is significant both as a confirmation of the Democratic bias within the MSM (not that it was needed), but, more importantly, as a sign of the inherent limitations of the current group of leading Democratic contenders as regarded by even one of their more ardent supporters. If the Democratic Party, with all its collective experience and resources, is really unable field presidential candidates who can effectively answer questions from a newsman whose MO has been on public display for years, then Republican prospects for 2008 have been vastly underestimated.

Oh boo freakin' hoo.

Russert asks Hillary one tough question which she trips and falls over in embarrassing fashion and all of the sudden you guys are out in full force to demonize Russert as some kind of evil being.

But you all just LOVED him when he was testifying against Libby, didn't you?

A) Russert is not so tough, unless he is questioning Republican.
B) Climate change is not a big issue. It's a natrually occuring phenomenon as proved by real scientists without grant money at risk.
C) His question to Hillarity was just an aberration. It won't happen again. Billy Jeff will make sure of that.
D) Anyone who votes for a democRat is truly not paying attention to fact and reality but living in an alternative universe.

Matt, you're just wrong.

The only way we know anything about what kind of president a candidate will be is through their record of public statements and actions. How they've repositioned themselves for 2008 is only noteworthy insofar as it is different from what they've done or said in the past. If Russert finds inconsistencies -- and they are usually not on trivial matters, contrary to your assertion -- that is precisely what he should be focusing on.

Perhaps the candidate has a reasonable explanation for why they stood for X for 20 years, but now stand for Y. Or perhaps it's a transparent political flipflop. We're not going to know if Russert limits himself to "Tell me more about how you're going to save the world" types of questions.

You want to let candidates that you happen to favor get away with spinning out of their past. Russert won't cooperate. Good for him. The "get Russert" meme of the past 10 days has been disturbing to say the least. I don't think the left has the strong commitment to freedom of the press it once had.

However, on a positive note, at least you didn't imply he is a racist and compare him to a Nazi like the New Republic's blogger did.

So, in other words, Robbins Mitchell, have you just shown that you have yet to comprehend the main gist of Yglesias's post?

Mike Volpe wrote:

Ultimately, it isn't Russert's priorities you have a problem with but rather that he made her look really, really, really, bad.

Ultimately, it is Yglesias's priorities you have a problem with, which is OK by me. You also appear to have a problem, however, with comprehending Yglesias's post.

Then J. Brenner wrote:

Why do I suspect that Matt's condemnation of Russert's "perverse and unethical concern for whether or not his work helps produce an informed public" is better translated as, his (Russert's) "inability to understand that, as a prominent member of the MSM, he must do nothing to embarrass a prominent Democratic candidate and in this way weaken their chances for taking back the Whitehouse in 08...I mean, Jesus fucking Christ, whose side is he on?"

I don't know, J. Brenner, why do you suspect that? How the heck should any of us know why you suspect that, when that's clearly not what Yglesias wrote that he wants? Try reading his post for what it is before you read any more into it.

This article is significant both as a confirmation of the Democratic bias within the MSM (not that it was needed)....

(Then it's not significant.)

If the Democratic Party, with all its collective experience and resources, is really unable field presidential candidates who can effectively answer questions from a newsman whose MO has been on public display for years,..."

It is, and if it weren't, I at least hope a majority of people wouldn't care enough.

then Republican prospects for 2008 have been vastly underestimated.

Yeah, keep believing that. Please.

Neither Matt nor any Democrat has been willing to answer my two questions:

1) Do you think that Iran has a nuclear weapons program - not an energy program, a weapons program?

2) Do you think a military attack on Iran of any type is both feasible and desirable IF Iran HAS a nuclear weapons program?

Not rocket science questions. Yes or no is quite sufficient.

Still no answer from Matt or any other Dem.

And of course it appears nobody in the MSM is willing to ask the Dems these two questions.

OK, Richard Steven Hack, I'm ready:

Ahem.

Answer to 1) ...Oh dang, is that the time? I gotta go to Quizo.

(seriously... Tim Russert --> Iran?)

(1) I don't think there's any evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. Beyond that, I don't have any magic intuitions. I am quite sure that if they could snap their fingers and have them, Iran would prefer to have nuclear weapons, if for no other reason than to deter a US attack. But that is a different question.

(2) I think it's ridiculous to ask if "a military attack on Iran of any type is...feasible." Of course it is, it might be attacked at any moment.

If the question is whether or not a military attack could feasibly stop a nuclear weapons program, the answer to that is trivial, too: more than likely, yes, there is some degree of military destruction of the nation and people of Iran which would divert a nuclear weapons program. After all, most people would assume that a nuclear attack against Iran would certainly reduce its scientific and military capacity.

If the question is whether or not some sort of military attack could both stop or slow a nuclear weapons program with some other qualification based on the degree of damage done, that's a tougher question. The current fantasy is certainly that there are identified sites which could somehow be bombed with specific technologies, perhaps with the new giant bombs in such a way that it would be considered 'clean' and 'surgical'.

How this could possibly affect a nuclear weapons program which, so far, none have given any evidence for, this too is unclear.

Is any military attack "desirable"? This depends on the type of attack fantasized and the type of results fantasized.

Currently it seems to me that any military attack by the US or regional powers on Iran will be terrible for both Iranians, regional residents, and the United States' population.

IF the question is "If space aliens said they wuz gonna kill us all unless we blew up China, wouldja dewit?", I can't help you.

Comment on Matthew Yglesias 12Nov07

Notice how many times Veep Cheney's been on Russert since the document(s) revealed in the Scooter Libby trial showed that Meet The Press was the White House's favorite forum for setting out their spin.

(Has he been on MTP at all since then? I don't watch Timmy any longer.)

Also, if you've got the time, take a look at Bill Moyers' opening show of his new "Bill Moyers' Journal." Title was something like "The Selling of Iraq," examining the roll of the pusillanimous, feckless press who never asked the critical questions, never examined or followed up anything.

Russert was one of the many "press" uncognoscenti interviewed. Asked why he hadn't done more to examine the kind of statements made by folks like Cheney, he said something like, "No one ever called me about it."

As a former reporter and TV editorialist, I thought that was such a cool answer. I pictured myself in Tim's position, slowly rocking in a string hammock in a Bermuda breeze, Sunday through Friday, a piña colada or margarita in hand, telephone on a high table next to me, with all my phone calls forwarded from DC, just relaxing while the news poured in. Ahhh, love those rating numbers!

Reporters for the print media mostly have to put on long pants, socks & shoes, etc., and, with pen and pad in hand, walk from place to place, meeting people, sorting through public documents, the Federal Register, the Congressional Record, stuff like that. Oh, and make lots of phone calls.

Of course, while my mug was on the "tube," I could call government agencies to ask where I could get this or that document--and they'd say, "Hey, no prob--we'll send them to you at 30 Rock by cab." But I still had to make lots of phone calls. Like 9+123+456+7890, or sometimes even 9+11+12+34+567+8900, depending on the country, of course.

My "take-away" on Tim is that he's grown lazy and not particularly imbued with a "watchdog for the people, to keep 'em out of danger against a runamok regime--definitely not what I'd call a paragon of the 4th Estate. But then, how many of those are there, these days?

Jon Stewart & Stephen Colbert come closer to exposing the basic hypocrisy and duplicity of the Demicans and Republicrats than many other news outlets--even though they're delivering "the fake news." And Colbert had the White House press corps pretty well nailed when he addressed them in 2006 with this:

Over the last five years you people were so good, over tax cuts, WMD intelligence, the effect of global warming. We Americans didn't want to know, and you had the courtesy not to try to find out. Those were good times, as far as we knew.

And the whammy:

But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works. The President makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration? You know, fiction!

I wish Obama had said, "I came on your show, Mr Russert, so I'l answer your questions. But first let me tell you what I think your audience would rather hear, and what this country needs to hear..." And then say clearly what the "war on terror" is really about and what policy it needs, and why the war has made things worse in every way. And every time Russert goes to his default gotcha mode, focusing on the trivia of the political game, Obama -- and anyone coming on MTP in the future -- should do the same: address real issues for which solutions need to be found and with which, because of Bush's failures, the next president will have to deal: deficits, forward-looking costs of the war, replenishing social security trust fund: all those critical survival issues which "journailists" like Russert ignore because it's too hard.

Just had a thought on how guests on MTPress should handle Russert--(inspired by Stephen Potter's Lifemanship: Or, the Art of Getting Away With It Without Being an Absolute Plonk.

Imagine Russert asking:


Sen. Clinton, you flip-flopped on the question of driver's licenses for illegal aliens in New York State in the debate Thursday. Why was that? You seem to be "triangulating" on that issue. Giving your usual hair-splitting lawyer-talk answers, right?

Hillary replies:

Well, Tim, first of all, the correct term is "undocumented immigrants." But let me answer you with a question. Just how many tons of barnacles do punters have to remove from their punts every year?

And Tim replies:

That doesn't answer my question. What is your position on driver's licenses for illegal aliens--that's what I call them, PC or not PC?

And Hillary responds:

It's not all that simple, Tim. On June 21st, the sun no longer casts a shadow on the rear-most plinth at Stonehenge. Some think it's because the earth has shifted in its orbit since the Druids erected the world's biggest sundial. What do you think?

And Tim replies:

I don't care about Druids. I'm asking about driver's licenses!

And Hillary responds:

Well, Tim, you're making my point for me--so I thank you for that. As you say, almost no one cares about the Druids. They have been ignored for all too many years. That's particularly true here in Washington, but it also, to some small degree, has happened in Adirondack State Park, in my beautiful upstate New York. Of course Gov. Pataki has jurisdiction over state parks and is working on a solution. And I'm certainly cooperating with him on this.

Do you have any suggestions on what we might do about solving the Druid problem here in the capital, Tim? Or are you in league with the other selfish, thoughtless no-nothings in the capital who just don't want to hear about their plight?

Etc. The general mistake guests make is trying to address Tim's questions directly, instead of using the plonk.

That is, while sounding and looking (a smile, always!) like you're responsive to the questions, completely conversational and erudite, you're off in some other land. (My examples, of course, are a bit too farcical, because you don't want the transcripts to be too idiotic.)

But have you ever tried saying really nasty things to your dog, but in the lovey-dovey tone you use to praise him? The dog wags his/her tail and comes right to you for his hugs and head-scratches. It's the tone of voice that counts. Ditto with Russert; just keep looking self-assured, like an expert in all things, correct about everything. And, as the interview progresses, keeping calm while Russert is loosing his patience/temper. Imagine a whole panel of guests all doing that. What a hoot.

Actually, I like Sid Schwab's solution even better.

I wish Obama had said, "I came on your show, Mr Russert, so I'l answer your questions. But first let me tell you what I think your audience would rather hear, and what this country needs to hear..."

It's like what Stephen Colbert, in that WH Correspondents Dinner roast, said about Jesse Jackson:

Jesse Jackson is here, the Reverend. Haven't heard from the Reverend in just a little while. I had him on the show. It was a very interesting interview, very challenging interview. You can ask him anything, but he's going to say what he wants at the pace that he wants. It's like boxing a glacier.
Of course, one can't pass up Colbert's next line:
Enjoy that metaphor, by the way, because your grandchildren will have no idea what a glacier is.

Aaron G. Stock writes,

"I don't know, J. Brenner, why do you suspect that? How the heck should any of us know why you suspect that, when that's clearly not what Yglesias wrote that he wants? Try reading his post for what it is before you read any more into it."

You invite me to read his post for "what it is." But his assertion is poorly supported by evidence, and thus, invites speculation regarding his true intent. Note that despite his failure to give a single example of a Russert question that he considers inappropriate, Yglasias expects he has made his case well enough to justify describing the man as perverse, unethical and guilty of sadism. Does that characterization strike you as proportionate, Aaron? Try this, is there any substantive difference between his use of these adjectives and the calculated bomb-throwing employed by Ann Colter? Think the Atlantic is going to give her a job?

Aaron goes on to write:

"It is, and if it weren't, I at least hope a majority of people wouldn't care enough."

Huh? Can I take it from your response that your ok with having a field of Democratic presidential hopefuls that are seriously challenged by a single MSN news personality who actually remembers that it's his job to ask challenging questions? Maybe if we elect one of this timid bunch, folks like Putin, Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong -Il will be nice and avoid trying to intimidate them, because I mean, that would be, like, perverse and unethical...and sadistic!

Aaron G. Stock writes,

"I don't know, J. Brenner, why do you suspect that? How the heck should any of us know why you suspect that, when that's clearly not what Yglesias wrote that he wants? Try reading his post for what it is before you read any more into it."

You invite me to read his post for "what it is." But his assertion is poorly supported by evidence, and thus, invites speculation regarding his true intent. Note that despite his failure to give a single example of a Russert question that he considers inappropriate, Yglasias expects he has made his case well enough to justify describing the man as perverse, unethical and guilty of sadism. Does that characterization strike you as proportionate, Aaron? Try this, is there any substantive difference between his use of these adjectives and the calculated bomb-throwing employed by Ann Colter? Think the Atlantic is going to give her a job?

Aaron goes on to write:

"It is, and if it weren't, I at least hope a majority of people wouldn't care enough."

Huh? Can I take it from your response that your ok with having a field of Democratic presidential hopefuls that are seriously challenged by a single MSN news personality who actually remembers that it's his job to ask challenging questions? Maybe if we elect one of this timid bunch, folks like Putin, Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong -Il will be nice and avoid trying to intimidate them, because I mean, that would be, like, perverse and unethical...and sadistic!

In case you give a damn, Ann Althouse is attacking this post as being biased in favor of Democrats. It's truly an insipid post, but that's Ann:
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2007/11/could-tim-russert-please-be-more-boring.html