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04 Nov 2007 10:41 am

Like most everyone in the blogosphere (but see Barnett Rubin for a counterexample) my knowledge of and understanding of Pakistani politics is rather limited. What's more, it's clear that people who are knowledgeable about Pakistan disagree on the key points. One school of thought holds that Musharraf is a key bulwark against Islamist extremists whose power we need to help shore up. Another school holds that Musharrafism is actually rotting away the social foundations of moderate Pakistan. As Joshua Hammer put it:

And while the military aims to do the opposite, it is slowly destabilizing Pakistan. Eight years of usurpation of power by Musharraf have weakened secular parties, corrupted the judiciary, and implanted army men in every facet of civilian life. Pakistan’s population is now doubling every 38 years, creating severe social pressures. If the political process remains stunted, the Islamists may continue to gather strength until the country reaches a tipping point. “We are not going to collapse if Musharraf goes tomorrow; Pakistan will go on, insha’allah,” I was told by Mohammed Enver Baig, a senator with the Pakistan People’s Party. “But the 2007 elections could be a turning point for all of us. If the elections are not fair, don’t be surprised if next time—after five years—you come and see me, I might have a long beard myself.”

My best guess would be that this latter line of assessment is closer to the truth. The real policy problem, however, is simply that it's hard to know. Very few Americans have the sort of language skills and life experience that puts them in a good position to really understand Pakistan, and of course the Pakistani most capable of influencing the American elite's understanding of the situation are interested parties — Musharraf himself, other security officials, Benazir Bhutto and her circle, etc. — whose ideas and information are of questionable probative value.

The deeper problem, I think, is not so much that our understanding of Pakistan isn't as good as it might be, but that the country has put itself in a position where there's widespread consensus that we need to be trying to micromanage political outcomes in Pakistan. Within that context, there's a lot of disagreement, but the general trend is still to try to analyze the situation and then frame a policy as the thing to do if you want to bet that the analysis at hand is the correct one. It seems to me, however, that understanding and micromanaging Pakistani politics isn't something the United States is likely to be good at. The knowledge gap is sufficiently severe that the more we wade into trying to manipulate events there, the more likely it becomes that in fact we are the ones being manipulated and I don't think there's any way around that.

Rather than strategies for micromanaging Pakistani politics more successfully, what we need are strategies that don't require successful micromanagement and that try to avoid betting too heavily on any particular group or individual or interpretation of internal Pakistani events. Whatever the shake-out of the current crisis, we need to be prepared to deal with the resulting power structure on issues that are important to the United States, but I don't think it'll serve our interests to be too closely identified with whoever that is or to have us trying to pick the "best" candidate or course of events. Sheryle Gay Stolberg and Helen Cooper write in this morning's New York Times that "For more than five months the United States has been trying to orchestrate a political transition in Pakistan that would manage to somehow keep Gen. Pervez Musharraf in power without making a mockery of President Bush’s promotion of democracy in the Muslim world." This time, though, one can hardly chalk up their failure to the usual Bushian bumbling. That, simply put, would have been a really hard thing to do. And, indeed, "on Saturday, those carefully laid plans fell apart spectacularly." But it probably would have been impossible to keep them together.

The problem's not in the failure, but in the setting of the goal. Or, rather, in the setting up of a grand strategy that gets us stuck in that vise. We need approaches that don't depend on our ability to successfully pick and choose who comes to power where since our efforts to do this seem to have a noticeable pattern of making things worse.

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Speaking as a long retired diplomat, we need to learn to keep our mouths shut. We want democracy, the rule of law, and human rights, and should support them, but we aren't going to get them by interfering in other countries internal affairs. They will come from the public's demands, if they are going to come at all. We can't impose them on others.

Isn't this really the normal state of affairs for Pakistan? It's a semi-failed state, and it has been a semi-failed state since its inception.

"but that the country has put itself in a position where there's widespread consensus that we need to be trying to micromanage political outcomes in Pakistan"

Matt - Here the basic assumption is that the military of Pakistan needs to be on your side. If somehow, the democratic institutions in pakistan become stronger (its not in US control btw), the political class will micromanage for you. The other basic assumption is that, people in pakistan cannot be trusted to come up with a solution of their own ( may be true)..but in either case , supporting musharraf is not the answer. He has clearly shown in past (2003 elections), that he is willing to support both sides to stay on in power.

The other point is, Musharraf is replacable (Finding dictators in pakistan ??)..democracy based strong institutions..hmm.

Its not as difficult a choice you make out to be.

Their silence over Musharraf's blatant dictatorial actions must now put to rest the notion that there was an iota of sincerity in the Bushitas' loud protestations that they want to send our kids to die in Iraq only for the higher purpose of bring freedom and democracy to the people of middle east.

My most clinically depressed idea on the Pakistani situation, which then extends to the entire Muslim world, is that things are going according to plan. To wit, that the entire Muslim world is being pushed by our Great Global Strategic Thinkers into failure of the states and encouraging the radicalization of the people. This includes Turkey.

This is a strategy based upon the idea that the Middle East region and Muslim fundamentalism in general is just too damn hard to manage and that a final good solution is impossible so it's best to encourage the forces of anarchy and violence so that we can eventually move in and kill them all, and then let God sort them out.

As an extra bonus if we can drive Turkey into chaos and radicalism then we can deal a really neat blow against western Europe who will have to deal with their own growing populations of radical Muslims.

Somebody tell me I an wrong.

"For more than five months the United States has been trying to orchestrate a political transition in Pakistan that would manage to somehow keep Gen. Pervez Musharraf in power without making a mockery of President Bush’s promotion of democracy in the Muslim world." This time, though, one can hardly chalk up their failure to the usual Bushian bumbling.
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Not Bush's bumbling but rather the transparent insincerity of his commitment to democracy. We've been trying to orchestrate a transition from the dictatorial rule of an unpopular and autocratic man to the democratic rule of that same man! Of course it isn't working out, it couldn't possibly.

That is an excellent point. And probably as good a diagnosis as any for our problems in Central Asia and the Middle East (e.g. Iran).

However, I worry about the framing. You characterize the issue as epistemic and pragmatic:

We don't know enough to effectively intervene on behalf of our interests in Pakistan. It wouldn't be good for us (and for them) to do so.

And that is all certainly true, but the Kantian in me thinks that procedural justice--both international and national--can't be simply a matter of what instruments produce the best outcomes. That means that international institutions are only contingently legitimate and international law is only contingently binding.

Now the utilitarian such as yourself might suggest that it would be better for utility if we all acted AS IF international institutions were non-instrumentally binding.

No conclusion, but something I was thinking about.

1) The lack of an ability to draw connections between things like "military actions in Afghanistan" and "diplomatic efforts with India" with the instability of Pakistan can be quite fairly laid at the door of the US foreign policy community and the Bush/Cheney approach in particular. Yes, there are knowledge problems, but they haven't always been that hard, what has happened (as in Iraq) is that a series of blundering big boots and bombs actions have been undertaken without any thought for what the tremors may uncover, which has made all the knowledge problems that much harder.

2) In a sense, you're right, the wisest thing to do is have a policy that doesn't rely on micromanaging Pakistan. But that affects Afghanistan in particular and is also less than attractive when one considers Pakistan's nuclear potential.

I bring this up because one outcome that no-one seems to want to talk about, but is just as likely as an Islamic revolution is a fairly serious civil war between Taliban backed Pashtun factions, Iranian backed Baluchs and the Punjab/Sind "core Pakistan." And that's not exactly the ideal environment to have nukes lying around in...

Hence I think the "micromanagement urge" is kind of understandable.

And, indeed, "on Saturday, those carefully laid plans fell apart spectacularly." But it probably would have been impossible to keep them together.

It's overstatement to call them "carefully laid plans," in the first place. Only real option outside of a CIA-orchestrated coup (which have worked so spectacularly well in the past) doesn't constitute "carefully laid plans."

For more than five months the United States has been trying to orchestrate a political transition in Pakistan that would manage to somehow keep Gen. Pervez Musharraf in power without making a mockery of President Bush’s promotion of democracy in the Muslim world.

It already is a mockery for anyone paying attention. Our closest Muslim allies? Egypt and Saudi Arabia - and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

Behind them? Turkey - an actual democracy which we've spent the last couple months debating how to condemn them for 90 year old actions, while silent on the current human rights catastrophes in Egypt and Saudi.

This "mockery" can all be solved with a speech admitting that not every place on the planet is either ready - or, more importantly - willing - to have Western style democracy. And while it's our preference that societies in all parts of the globe trend in that direction, we are not going to impose it upon anyone or insist upon it as a precondition for aid, negotiation, cooperation, etc, (while not totally giving up on a more subtle and careful plan/strategy of democracy promotion over all).

More importantly, we can get a lot closer to solving the problem with a Democrat winning in '08.

I think that is the right idea. Don't interfere in Pakistan. Leave it to its own.

I think it's enormously destabilizing to wonder what the superpower might be doing. During the Bush era, the Bush administration hasn't had much time to meddle in South America, and they have been doing quite well. An outside force, that can interfere and turn any which way based on whim, is destabilizing.

If there is to be any outside interference, it should be based on principle - which makes it predictable - such as support for democracy. The Bush administration say they have principles but they do not.

Both Brad DeLong & Paul Krugman have questioned the wisdom of a Clinton/Rubin fiscal policy because Republicans will just come into power and throw all the surpluses away.

Similarly, any foreign policy has to take into consideration the distinct probability that crazed bloodthirsty irresponsible neocon wingnuts will come into power in the Whitehouse. A stronger, more aggressive Iraq policy by Clinton might have saved a million lives after Bush got elected.

MY isn't gonna like it, but he should plan his policy to make the world safe for Rudy. If nuclear Pakistan is controlled by al-Qaeda, HRC & Obama might handle it well, but Rudy would blow up the freaking world. And Rudy, or someone like him will become President.

So we must micromanage Iran. The irresponsibility on this blog is disgusting. Thank God Hillary Clinton know better.

"micromanage Iran s/b "micromanage Pakistan" or "micromanage as much as we can"

Y'know, y'all don't get to say:"Oh no, the American people elected a madman. Well, I did the best I could, and a world in fire is not my fault."

I really kinda despise the folk who assume rationality & rational actors, be they economists or foreign policy pundits. Lazy.

I will confess as to not being an expert on Pakistani politics. However, I have studied enough developing states and enough military regimes to say that at least based on the reports, it would seem that Musharraf's actions are a whole lot more about consolidating power than anything to do with combating extremists.

Indeed, as I argued this morning, the whole things looks eerily like Cold War era dictators using Communism as an excuse to grab more power.

Well, arguing that Pakistan needs a "strong military rule" is interesting considering that America supports the Saud family's rule since decades back, that is a very strong rule, and most of Al Qaeda comes from there. In other words, that is exactly the wrong thing to do.

None of the 9/11 terrorists came from Iraq or Iran. The terrorists come from friendly dictatorships, not from unfriendly dictatorships.

We need approaches that don't depend on our ability to successfully pick and choose who comes to power where...

In principle, I agree. This is good, old-fashioned realist commonsense (of the Kennan/Morganthau variety, not of the crackpot "rollback" school). But of course the problem is that, in the immediate circumstances in which we find ourselves, we don't have the luxury of a fresh start.

Three facts dominate the moment for us: 1) NATO is deeply committed to a counter-insurgency cum nation-building effort in Afghanistan, as a way of trying to prevent a resurgence of Taliban/Al-Qaeda power there; and, 2) Pakistan is the key strategic partner in one of the most important political-military dimensions of that effort--namely, the need to isolate the Afghan theater; and finally, 3) The U.S. is, as part of said effort, supplying massive amounts of military aid to the current regime in Pakistan.

In short, we are already deeply in bed with the current regime, and whether we continue (as Bush has appparently chosen to do) or now withdraw that support, we will in fact be making a major intervention in the current crisis. It would be nice if there were some regime-neutral position for the U.S. to occupy in the current crisis, but unfortunately there is not: we are, ineluctably, a major player in it.

Matt's assumption that this crisis can't be laid at Bush's feet is entirely wrong.

Bush started the war with Afghanistan which drove the Taliban and Al Qaeda into Pakistan. There, they gained influence and have now decided to spend their efforts dropping the Pakistani government so they get TWO bases to operate from (once they finish driving out NATO from Afghanistan - which they will.)

Then Bush supported a dictator who only marginally changed his dictatorial ways in order to curry favor with the US in exchange for $10 billion in weapons systems, most of which were useless in COIN operations.

When the dictator started having problems controlling the democratic impulse of his people, Bush tried to import yet another corrupt official, Benazir Bhutto, in an attempt to put a "democratic face" on the dictator.

However, Bhutto's return merely emphasized the dictatorial nature of Musharraf and that in turn threatened his power.

So he reacted by seizing more power, which is the only way dictators can react.

Thus the entire sequence of events was set in play by Bush's stupidity in attacking Afghanistan in the first place, when there were better and easier ways to get bin Laden and Al Qaeda. The Taliban were irrelevant to that goal.

It has nothing to do with "micro-managing" another country's internal politics - not that we didn't do that, too - and everything to do with the overall strategy of trying to use military force to defeat terrorists - which is both geopolitically and physically impossible.

Pursuant to my comments on Matt's Pakistan thread yesterday, here is Barnett Rubin confirming what I said about the Pakistani Army's condition:

Live-Blogging the Emergency: Military Morale

Islamabad -- A major reason for the declaration of emergency is the catastrophic loss of morale among the Pakistani army and police. Musharraf referred to this in his speech, saying that the judiciary had demoralized the security forces. The Emergency Declaration also mentions the low morale of the police. But is the army, his own institution that concerns Musharraf above all.

At a recent dinner in the region, a senior Pakistani diplomat confirmed that President Musharraf's top priority was and always will be the institutional integrity of the Pakistan armed forces. A contact from the intelligence community who has worked on the ground with the Pakistan Army referred me to this article in the Times of India, which he says captures the rock-bottom morale in the army, which has seen hundreds of desertions by soldiers in the field. Musharraf is well aware of assessments such as this from the Indian "security establishment":

The Pakistani Army is "bleeding", and quite profusely at that, in its ongoing bloody skirmishes with extremists in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, with a "high" casualty rate as well as "unprecedented" levels of desertions, suicides and discharge applications.

Syed Shoaib Hasan of the BBC reports:

But just as much as the political imbroglio, it was the growing loss of morale in Pakistan's armed forces which was a source of concern. Pakistan's army, deployed throughout the country's tribal regions to combat pro-Taleban militants, was losing ground to them. The last straw, in this regard, came when at least 300 army troops surrendered to militants in South Waziristan. Since then, the government and its security troops have all but lost control to the militants in the tribal areas. The emboldened militants have subsequently moved forward into settled regions - Pakistani territory where normal law applies. The most recent of these is the growing insurgency in the Swat valley.

Some U.S. analysts have already given up on the Pakistan Army as an effective ally in counter-insurgency or counter-terrorism. As the Indian security establishment signals its perception of the Pakistan Army's weakness, it is no wonder that Musharraf has declared the Emergency. He spoke last night about the need for the three pillars of the state -- executive, legislative, and judicial -- to work together in harmony. But the architect and master builder responsible for harmonizing these pillars in his scheme of things is the Army. And right now that central institution is revealing a terrible weakness at its heart, despite its nuclear weapons.

Posted by Barnett R. Rubin at 10:49 PM

"We need approaches that don't depend on our ability to successfully pick and choose who comes to power where since our efforts to do this seem to have a noticeable pattern of making things worse."

Okay. What are they?

By the way, check out this page:

Pakistan Polls and Growing Support for Islamism
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/11/pakistan_and_islamism.php

If this material is correct, probably half the Pakistani population supports some form of Islamist government, and many support bin Laden, the Taliban, and the tribal Islamists.

I don't know how Barnett Rubin sees this, but it seems to be that the situation is considerably worse than it has seemed up to this point.

So I think my estimate that Pakistan's central government will be in collapse - if not actually replaced by an Islamist government - within two to five years is reasonable.

By the way, Barnett also posted this about Iran:

"Update: In my haste to finish this post before a lunch with a member of parliament in Islamabad, I left out the main point. In my original post, I reported that the supporters of a war with Iran thought they had to get public support up to 35-40% first. They must have been looking at the Angus Reid poll from last summer showing less than that. Goldfarb refers to this benchmark I reported as context for quoting the Zogby poll, showing they have the support they think they need, provided they can convince the public that a military strike on Iran is necessary to prevent Tehran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Hence President Bush's reference to a "nuclear holocaust" caused by a country that is years away from being able to make a nuclear weapon. We are definitely in the danger zone."

Another excellent post by Rubin says the following about the relationship between the Taliban and Al Qaeda which supports the view that attacking Afghanistan to get bin Laden was not a smart move:

"The Afghan insurgency, loosely affiliated to the Taliban, is not a marginal extremist organization that can be destroyed by force. It is a social movement (though not representing the majority) in the Pashtun areas of both Afghanistan and Pakistan. It actually has more support in Pakistan. The Taliban's origin had nothing to do with al-Qaida, and, indeed, they were initially hostile to them. The Taliban-dominated Islamic Court of Qandahar issued a fatwa in 1988 stating that Wahhabis were not Muslims, placing takfir on the takfiris! I don't recommend this tactic to my Muslim friends, but it indicates that there were differences.

Today's Taliban are subjected to conflicting pressures. On the one hand, their Pakistan-based leadership has reaffirmed its ties to Al-Qaida. On the other hand, while the Taliban have continued to use extremely brutal tactics (including the hanging of a fifteen-year old for posessing US dollars), they have also adopted more to the modern world, recognizing Afghans' demands for education and lightening their past restrictions on media. Like the mujahidin field commanders of the 1980s, the Taliban field commanders are not fully obedient to their leadership in Pakistan. Furthermore, that leadership is finally coming under significant if still insufficient pressure, unlike the exiled mujahidin leadership of the 1980s.

One great danger is that the longer this conflict goes on, the more it becomes dominated by a new generation of young, radicalized, pro-Qaida Taliban. These new fighters belong to neither Afghanistan nor Pakistan: they are products of refugee camps and militarized madrasas in the tribal areas of Pakistan. They have never experienced benefits of citizenship in any country, and they have never participated in any "traditional" society based on agricultural production, pastoralism, kinship relations, and state patronage. The longer the war goes on, the more the transnational milieu that creates this group becomes more deeply rooted in the region.

The relationship with al-Qaida deserves more attention. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, much of the Taliban showed solidarity with their Arab brothers and believed that they were falsely accused of an atrocity engineered by others. Former senior Taliban officials, however, have told me that since that time, as they have watched Bin Laden repeatedly claim credit for these attacks, they have concluded that he was in fact guilty, and that he had sacrificed the Taliban's Afghan goals for his global agenda. Some have chosen to embrace that global agenda, but others are seeking a way back to a national Islamic agenda. They recognize, so these former officials claim, that the US and the international community have legitimate demands that Afghanistan's territory not be used to attack them. This recognition, if it can be confirmed, can create space for negotiation.

The real dangers of negotiation are not those pointed out by its critics. Negotiation with insurgents could help bring stability and peace to Afghanistan if it brings former armed groups into the political system. But it will merely change the nature of instability if it is part of a realignment rather than a peace process.

This is the threat seen by the Northern Alliance, many other non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan, Iran, Russia, and India. They suspect that this effort is not part of a plan to bring peace to a more inclusive Afghanistan, but part of a plan to return Afghanistan to the hegemony of Pakistan and pro-Pakistan Pashtuns (if such exist, which I personally doubt), exclude northern ethnic groups from power, encircle Iran, and create a corridor of US-aligned states from South Asia through Central Asia. They see what appears to be a similar process in Iraq, where the US has turned against the Iranian-supported Shi'a groups it helped to power and aligned itself with militias of Saddam Hussain's Sunni supporters.

As long as these groups suspect that the negotiations have such goals, non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan will feel obliged to seek the protection of the Northern Alliance, the Northern Alliance will feel the need to seek the protection of Iran and Russia, and Iran and Russia will seek to assure that these negotiations do not succeed. The escalating rhetoric of conflict over Iran intensifies these dangers."

Actually, supporting friendly dictators forms a kind of litmus-test. Terrorists attacking America come from places with America-friendly, tyrannical regimes. But it would be better to have unfriendly regimes there. They would be more of a conventional threat that the US is more equipped to deal with.

Supporting friendly tyrants is a way of building an empire.

So, if Bush supports more friendly tyrants - then he's building an empire. If he supports fewer friendly tyrants - then he's fighting terrorism.

Yglesias writes

Like most everyone in the blogosphere (but see Barnett Rubin for a counterexample) my knowledge of and understanding of Pakistani politics is rather limited. What's more, it's clear that people who are knowledgeable about Pakistan disagree on the key points. One school of thought holds that Musharraf is a key bulwark against Islamist extremists whose power we need to help shore up. Another school holds that Musharrafism is actually rotting away the social foundations of moderate Pakistan.

I don't claim any expertise on Pakistan either, but these two schools don't need to be mutually exclusive. My understanding is that throughout much of Pakistan the military is indistinguishable from government as it routs local tribal leaders and black markets. People end up relying upon the military not only to keep order (and check the designs of would-be extremists) but also to provide logistics and services for people who live outside of major cities. This picture of Pakistan derives solely from Robert Kaplan's 2000 article in the Atlantic, The Lawless Frontier. I couldn't say if conditions in Pakistan are substantially different seven years later, but the situation then certainly confirmed the essential permanence of the military in Pakistani civilian life:

When seven million Muslim refugees, fleeing India, created Pakistan, the role of the military became paramount, by necessity. The refugees were consumed by the need to manage enormous and unruly borderlands and by fear of their much larger, Hindu-dominated neighbor. Furthermore, with local tribal and ethnic identities so strong, civilian politics became a bureaucratic forum for revenge and unsavory tradeoffs. In the ancient tribal and feudal cultures of the region leaders bartered water wells and tracts of desert; in the new state they bartered flour mills, electricity grids, and transport systems.

Furthermore, the transition to civilian life depends on replacing the "parallel state" the military represents:

Even if Musharraf's reformist plans succeed, one crucial element will remain: the military itself, which with its own factories, agribusinesses, road-construction firms, schools, hotels, and so on, constitutes a parallel state. No less than the civilian sector, the military is mired in corruption, and yet it is exempt from investigations by the courts. Tanvir Ahmad Khan, a former Foreign Secretary, told me that Pakistan's only hope may be "a genuine hybrid system in which the army accepts responsibility for poverty and illiteracy in return for limited political power." A successful hybrid system, he went on, would "democratize the army." Rifaat Hussain, who chairs the Department of Defense and Strategic Studies at Quaid-Azam University, in Islamabad, agrees: "I will not rule out a formal constitution on the Turkish model in order to create a national-security council and give the army constitutional privileges. We must find a way to legally stabilize civil-military relations."

It is true that the military government is a "bulwark against Islamist extremists" but it is also true that "Musharrafism" is, if not actively rotting away, at least an obstacle to democratic reform.


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