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Philadelphia Story

09 Nov 2007 11:47 am

David Brooks takes the pushback against the idea that Ronald Regan pandered to racists in Philadelphia, Mississippi and winds up dramatically overplaying his hand. But first let me just note that the specific charge has always struck me as oddly irrelevant. Look at the election map from 1980:

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This just wasn't a close election. The country's economy was performing poorly, Jimmy Carter's foreign policy was perceived (unfairly, I might add) as failing, and Carter was strongly disliked by his party's liberal base. Under the circumstances, he was almost certainly doomed. Carter's strategy, which actually worked pretty well given the unfavorable environment, was to try to paint Ronald Reagan as a dangerous extremist. Under the circumstances, whatever Reagan was or wasn't doing in Mississippi, it's just not plausible that coded appeals to segregationists was the foundation of his electoral success.

On the other hand -- and here's where Brooks overplays his hand -- the centrality of race and racism to American politics in general and to its unusually conservative cast in particular is really undeniable. This isn't really a partisan point at all. Obviously, electoral power is bound to swing back and forth between the parties no matter what. And it's actually a bit hard to find a particular election to point to and say "the Republicans won this one because of racism" (had Thurmond pulled enough votes from Truman in Virginia to throw the state to Dewey, that would be your candidate) because racial divisions systematically impact American politics in a way that both parties have always adjusted to.

For example, lots of people believe that it would be very morally wrong if we used progressive taxation to finance a system of high-quality health care for all Americans and don't ground this belief in racism at all. Still, it's empirically the case that the reason such a system wasn't enacted during the New Deal Era was that white supremacists who feared that federal involvement in health care would lead to integrated hospitals. More generally, the fact that the recipients of anti-poverty transfer payments are disproportionately minorities -- and even more disproportionately portrayed as such in the media -- plays a large role in casting them as "Other" and in reducing political sentiments of solidarity and the implementation of solidaristic policies.

Indeed, I think it's uncontroversial, even among right-wingers, to observe that the Nordic countries have such an egalitarian policy environment largely because they're so small and homogenous, imbuing their politics with a communitarian spirit that's largely absent from the US. Racial divisiveness' role in impeding social democratic policies in the United States is just the inverse of that.

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Map colors are reversed from general useage?

"General usage" used to be "switch colors every presidential election".

Once upon a time, being called "The Red Party" was one heck of a slur.

Next Bobo will tell us that Reagan never said "welfare queens in Mercedes."

Under the circumstances, whatever Reagan was or wasn't doing in Mississippi, it's just not plausible that coded appeals to segregationists was the foundation of his electoral success.

While I agree with the broader point of the paragraph, I think you're relying too much on the map to make your point. The question is whether or not, state-by-state, race-related appeals add a sufficient number of people to your guaranteed base. IIRC, Rove et. al. claim that these days only 7% of the electorate is up for grabs. So you're looking at moving only maybe 4% of population.

Tim:

Reagan didn't win those states 51% to 49%. . .

Oh, dear lord, now we can just sit back and wait for the racist nut squad to show up and fill up the comments with their dreck again.

By the way, no one as far as I know was suggesting that Reagan in any way crudely or in a stupidly alienating fashion used his racial code words and phrases.

As a matter of fact, that was the f***ing point. That's why those of us who were around at the time recognized it for exactly what it was -- a way to signal to dumbass white racists that, hey, I'm really one of you, while disguising it in code words and contexts that would allow you to then say, "What, I was just talking, you know, about more local government when I said 'states rights'."

Good grief.

Yes, I listened to the audio of Reagan's speech in Philadelphia not too long ago. I may have even linked to it here. (I also listened to Reagan's short but hellraising populist 1948 speech against Republicans and corporate fat cats for a union campaign drive.)

Yes, he wasn't some idiot standing on stage saying "We 'uns hate the n***ers, right???" and no one is, I believe, suggesting he was that crude and stupid, or even that he felt that way.

Have the last 30 years of US political life just vanished? Do they last, what, 5 minutes before pundit idiots start remembering only the myths they made at the time?

David Brooks is a GOP sophist.
He has to hide the truth while he claims to clarify it. It's in his nature. Like the scorpion.

I am surprised that David Brooks has not mentioned in this context the racially enlightened Willie Horton ad by the elder Bush campaign.

Brooks essentially admits that Reagan did pander to racists -- he says it was insensitive to mention states rights in Philadelphia and that it would've been nice if he said something about civil rights. So Reagan went into Philadelphia and used a term that could reasonably be expected to attract support from racists and then said nothing to express disagreement with those racists. That couldn't have been by accident. Since Brooks can't deny the political impact of that speech, he's left arguing that the appeal to racism wasn't the central focus of the campaign. That's pretty small beer if you ask me.

"And it's actually a bit hard to find a particular election to point to and say "the Republicans won this one because of racism""

1968 maybe?

Brooks starts by stating that Ray-gun didn't want start his campaign in Philadelphia and make the racist appeal to "States Rights", claiming the big idea of the campaign was to appeal to urban voters and give a major address at the Urban League and visit Vernon Jordan in the hospital. But, "believing it would send the wrong message to go straight from the Urban League to Philadelphia, Miss." so, in fact St. Ronnie did start his campaign in Philadelphia and in fact he did make his coded racist appeal to "States Rights".

What was the wrong message and who would they be sending it to? The white working class, the so called Reagan Democrats. I grew up in the Bronx, and saw first hand how the southern strategy was perfected by Reagan. He was seen a the white workingman's ally against welfare mothers with eight kids and pink Caddy's.

In a related note, Arthur H Bremer -- the man who shot and paralyzed Alabama Gov. George Wallace during a 1972 presidential campaign stop -- was released from prison today after serving 35 years of his sentence.

How about we pass the hat and welcome Mr Bremer back into society by buying him a slot in a NRA marksmanship class?

Ref: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071109/ap_on_re_us/wallace_shooter_release

The editorial sought to defend Reagan against (what he considers) an agit-prop slur. Anyone know whether Brooks raised a concern about the Swift Boat Vets, the Invention of the Internet, or Willy Horton?

I think trying to look to specific elections and say "racism won that one" is the wrong approach to understanding the absolute fundamental centrality of race to American domestic politics pretty much throughout this country's history.

Matt's point about the New Deal is absolutely right. He could carry that point further into the 1940s by looking at thge CIO's attempt to create bi-racial unionism in the south (which failed - the south staying union free being very, very important - even when union density was like 50+% in many northern and western states). He could go to the Great Society. And so on. There are literally thousands of books and articles by political scientists and historians making these points.

The point is that race is probably one of the two or three most important factors that has determined the structural and institutional contours of American state building and its welfare state policies more specifically. THIS is the way in which it mattered to American politics - all election happen within the space created by these institutional and structural factors. So in this sense, every election is in some way "about race."

one of the important parts of an obama campaign may exposing in a large and undeniable way the relation of racism to the republicans. it really would ask the question, in so many ways, what kind of america do we want?

one of the important parts of an obama campaign may exposing in a large and undeniable way the relation of racism to the republicans. it really would ask the question, in so many ways, what kind of america do we want?

David Brooks...winds up dramatically overplaying his hand.

Imagine that!

Bobo, and so many other small-bore (sic) conservatives are simply disoriented having to defend their party actually being in power. Their proper place is where it's mostly been (post war): in the minority, criticizing liberalism. Let's do them a favor and restore them to their rightful role, eh? Brooks can be liberal's 'favorite conservative' again.

In fact, many British and other European social democrats in the past (say, through the 50s and even into the 60s) supported immigration restrictions and other policies that trim pretty close to racist in current perception, for the very reason that they recognized too many visible "others" would undercut support for egalitarian and redistributionist economic policies. Social democrats were more honest then. Now it's sort of assumed on the left that social liberalism (open immigration, multiculturalism, etc.) and social democratic economic policies go hand in hand without controversy. I'm glad to see Matt recognizes that's not so.

Matt, your map overstatea the case. At the time of Reagan's speech in Philadelphia, he was way behind Carter in the polls.

Re Richard Riley's comment "Now it's sort of assumed on the left that social liberalism (open immigration, multiculturalism, etc.) and social democratic economic policies go hand in hand without controversy "
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Actually, what's "assumed" by the Democratic leadership is that if you kiss the ass of the Hispanic lobby you will take the electoral votes of Florida, California, and Texas

-- and that your Afro-American base will be too stupid to notice that your pandering is destroying their job opportunities and their hope to move out of poverty --or out of a life in prison.

This just wasn't a close election.

Sure, after the votes were counted. And the Yankees had no chance this year against Cleveland either (I have to let go...)

But back in 1980 it was considered a close race to the end:

Reagan's landslide challenges the pulse-taker profession

For weeks before the presidential election, the gurus of public opinion polling were nearly unanimous in their findings. In survey after survey, they agreed that the coming choice between President Jimmy Carter and Challenger Ronald Reagan was "too close to call." A few points at most, they said, separated the two major contenders.

But when the votes were counted, the former California Governor had defeated Carter by a margin of 51% to 41% in the popular vote—a rout for a U.S. presidential race. In the electoral college, the Reagan victory was a 10-to-l avalanche that left the President holding only six states and the District of Columbia.

I doubt the Reagan team foresaw a landslide in August.

I'm surprised Matt is revisiting this.

Tom Maguire is absolutely right. I vividly remember seeing some political, I think one week before the election, in which they all said it would be close, half predicted Carter would win, and half predicted Reagan would win.

Its amazing how people all look back on it now as an inevitable Reagan landslide.

Meanwhile, the Dems don't speak in code. They just count on the MSM to hush up or "contextualize" statements like these (audio files included).

Note that those aren't nobodies: the first is linked to a U.S. Rep. and leading CA pols (as well as the BrownBerets) and the second is, of course, chairman of the CA Dem party.

Why, there's even one there that's running for president.

This is an extremely POOR post.

That, in hindsight, Yglesias is now sure Carter was doomed in no way reflects what the respective campaigns were thinking at the time. Nor what polls reflected.

Reagan very much ran a race based campaign IN THE SOUTH. That was the point of Philadelphia, MS.

This post is bereft of information on the 1980 campaign, the history of Ronald Reagan's political career and the undeniable Southern Strategy of the GOP.

Frankly, it misses the point. Which, unfortunately, Yglesias has a habit of doing when it comes to issues of race.

One of your worst.

Reagan didn't win in 1980 because he played the race card. But I recycle the following comment that I filed early with RD:

When Ronald Reagan was elected, one of his first acts was to attempt to provide tax exemptions for segregated "private academies" set up in the South to avoid the effects of official integration. A furious backlash resulted and he dropped the plan.

When he visited an integrated classroom to take the heat off and a black child asked him why he tried to give tax exemptions to segregated schools, he lied and said that he didn't know there were any segregated schools. Lying to a black kid. Classy!

Ronald Reagan was a passionate supporter of the segregationists, if not of segregation itself. He felt that segregationists were the salt of the earth. On the other hand, he hated the civil rights movement, which he saw as communism, pure and simple. He fought to allow the South to maintain its system of racist oppression. Ronald Reagan was on the side of the racists.

And it's actually a bit hard to find a particular election to point to and say "the Republicans won this one because of racism"

This isn't quite what you had in mind, but I think several thousand spoiled ballots in Duval County and thousands of disenfranchised non-felons statewide in 2000 would disagree.

Another nice reflection from Time magazine, back before it was established as historical fact that Reagan was beloved by everyone.

from "Meet the Real Ronald Reagan", April 1980


An example of how Reagan's mind works is his view on welfare. As he says, the system is a mess — costly, self-perpetuating and so far immune to reform. Reagan blames the bureaucrats. Welfare recipients, he says, have become prisoners of their caseworkers' need for a clientele. His solution is to get Washington out of the system by turning over all responsibility for administration to states and localities, along with sufficient taxing power to finance the case load. But welfare already is administered by states and communities; that nasty caseworker is typically a county or municipal employee. How would giving the locals total power over money and regulations change anything?

When that question was put to him in June, Reagan replied, "I still think the greatest fault lies in Washington, because they're the ones who make the regulations and the regulations make it impossible to check up on people." The truth is the other way around: Washington for years has been pressing the states and localities to eliminate ineligibles. Reagan just cannot see that, because one of his abiding convictions is that Washington is the fount of most of what is wrong with the country. Remove the federal involvement, he thinks, and matters are bound to get better. In this area his conviction seems to have reached the point of compulsion.

But then, since that time 8,000 years ago, we all came to realize that Reagan was right about everything and ever since then we try to uphold every principle and view of His as God's honest truth.

This is a bizarre post. What's as issue is if Reagan's a bad person. If he didn't need to pander to racists, and did it anyway, it makes him an even worse human being, surely?

He probably did, though. The race was close right til the end, so a Reagan win wasn't an inevitability, even though he ended up winning big. (Or rather, Carter lst big. The Andersson votes might have mostly gone to Carter.)

"Indeed, I think it's uncontroversial, even among right-wingers, to observe that the Nordic countries have such an egalitarian policy environment largely because they're so small and homogenous, imbuing their politics with a communitarian spirit that's largely absent from the US. Racial divisiveness' role in impeding social democratic policies in the United States is just the inverse of that."

It's relatively uncontroversial among US pundits, but it shouldn't be, since it's wrong.

Can we go back to the part about how successful Jimmy Carter's foreign policy was? What in particular were the brilliant successes that Americans were too stupid to recognize? And can someone explain how the things that the moronic voters thought were failures were actually brilliant successes and/or things that no one, no matter how brilliant, could possibly have prevented?

This is an excellent argument for restricting immigration. If any more were needed.

I don't see how what you've said works against Brooks at all how's he "overplayed his hand" -he makes a refence to the "undeniable" role of race for goodness sake.


Ygelsi po0int is that when the margin is that big these things have less of an impact (t he fact people decided they could trust Reagan at the last minute does not change this fact).


I actualy take the opposte lin to Armando a) obsession with Republican gains from race ignoes that african americans can vote to-ie how many votes does the GOP lose north and south among African Americans because of race? Race is a two-edged sword. And when the south was most racist comped to hte rest of the US the 1870's-1940's is when they were the centerpiece of leftist views on the large majority of issue.

South Africa had a lot of control of buisness after -and a lot of hostility to capitalism-just like the South when it was at its most (comparatively) racist

Matt, a much more important question than trivia about Reagan is why Bartlett is revisiting these questions and why. Hint:Bartlett is not hoping with his new book to induce millions of blacks to change their party registration.

Second hint:I think Bartlett is in the camp of disaffected Republicans who say Bush II betrayed the legacy of Reagan by not cutting social spending enough.

Third hint:Read Lee Atwater on the evolution of racist rhetoric in Republican discourse.

Don't engage Republicans on their distracting bullshit. Look for the purposes under the narratives.

The map is deceptive. John Anderson probably cost Carter New York, Wisconsin and Massachusetts, and while Reagan would still have won the election, Carter would have had a more respectable showing. And this is forgotten in the pharaonic worship of Ronnie today, but as many people were scared of Reagan as were tired of Carter. The polls were neck-and-neck until the last week of the race, and the difference maker may have been a potential release of the Iranian hostages in late October that never materialized.

Elephant in the room, and nobody sees it?

THE PRIMARY. Reagan had to win a PRIMARY. That's why he went to Philadelphia - not to beat up on Carter.

Nevermind - I thought that's where he kicked off his campaign. The source I read says "general campaign" for Presidency - they mean after the convention.

Uh, Matt....

Reagan's speech in Philadelphia, MS was not just any speech. It was the place where he formally announced his candidacy for President of the US. The only historical event of note to take place in Philadelphia, MS before Reagan's announcement was the lynching of Goodman, Schwerner, and Cheney. And Reagan didn't talk about those three men in his speech, but about states rights. Certainly, his next stop was a meeting of the Urban League in New York. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to deduce that the latter speech was to establish plausible deniability for the obvious meaning of the former speech. The dog whistle comes through loud and clear.

The Philadelphia, MS speech was not about winning the general election, it was about winning the Republican primary. And the purpose of the speech was to tell the Wallace Democrats that they had a new home in the Republican Party.

I have no question that race played a factor in Reagan's speech, etc. But it is bizarre for Matt so say "this was not a close election"; therefore, the only reason Reagan went to Mississippi was to make an implicitly racist appeal.

Why is it bizarre? Besides what the other poster noted -- that the race was close until Reagan broke it open in the final weeks -- there is this fact:

Carter WON MISSISSIPPI in 1976.

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=1976&datatype=national&def=1&f=0&off=0&elect=0

Reagan had a sound reason to campaign in Mississippi. He wanted its 7 electoral votes.

The South wasn't solid for the GOP in 1976. It proved to be in 1980. But implying Reagan knew this months before the 1980 election is nonsensical.

Justin,

Quite true, the speech was August 4, 1980. I stand corrected on that part.

And the speech was at the county fairgrounds, which is eight miles from Philadelphia, MS.

And Reagan made the speech at Trent Lott's behest.

That being said, those corrections don't hit the main points that I made. The main historical event occurring in that Neshoba County, MS, before Reagan's speech was the lynching of Goodman, Schwerner, and Cheney. The speech was about states rights. Trent Lott certainly knew the dog-whistle implications of the speech, and it strains credibility to think that Reagan and his advisors didn't know. And it was done to court the Wallace Democrats. In the end, the election was not a close call, but at the time you had Anderson making a third-party run against Reagan, and a successful resolution to the Iranian hostage crisis could have boosted Carter's ratings, so the election was far from being a sure thing.

Reagan didn't win those states 51% to 49%. . .

No, it was closer than that. Reagan won Alabama by 48.8 to 47.4%. Mississippi: 49.5 to 48.1%. South Carolina: 49.5 to 48.2%. Arkansas: 48.1 to 47.5%. Tennessee: 48.7 to 48.4. In most of the South, 1980 was an extremely close election, where Reagan's appeal to white racists very likely tipped the balance in his favor.

David Brooks wrote an entire column about this? I can see a blog post, but a whole column?

He has 500 words or whatever, three times a week or whatever, to communicate with a massive audience ... and this is what he writes about?

Lee Atwater on Reagan's version of the Southern Strategy:

You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.'

Matt writes:

"Indeed, I think it's uncontroversial, even among right-wingers, to observe that the Nordic countries have such an egalitarian policy environment largely because they're so small and homogenous, imbuing their politics with a communitarian spirit that's largely absent from the US. Racial divisiveness' role in impeding social democratic policies in the United States is just the inverse of that."

Which I've written many times on VDARE.com.

So, why do you want more immigration?

The key point, though, is that America is not just more racially divided than social democratic Finland (which is 98% native born), it has different races than Finland does. If America was 70% white and 30% Korean, we'd have a smoothly functioning Nordic style welfare state by now, despite the racial division.

When liberals were running the country in the 1960s, they tried importing Nordic social democratic policies into the U.S., such as paying livable welfare rates. These worked out okay in, say, Minnesota, but were an instant disaster in black slums across America: the black illegitimacy and crime rates started shooting upward from 1964 onward. Some once-great American cities, like Detroit, have never recovered from this liberal experiment in Nordic social democracy. That's the single most important reason that "liberals" are trying to change their names to "progressives" today -- because when liberals ruled, they destroyed much of urban America.

" but were an instant disaster in black slums across America: the black illegitimacy and crime rates started shooting upward from 1964 onward."

The illegitimacy and crime rates shot up in Sweden from the mid-60s onwards as well. Illegitimacy and crime rates went up nearly everywhere (including even Japan) in the industrialized world in the 1960s. Except that the Swedish right had less success labeling poor Swedes as welfare cheats (though they certainly did attempt to do so).

"Some once-great American cities, like Detroit, have never recovered from this liberal experiment in Nordic social democracy."

Detroit was experiencing regular race riots and white flight from the middle of WWII onwards. Unless you're willing to date the experiment in Nordic social democracy back to the New Deal, the facts don't jibe with your theory.

I seriously doubt that Swedish illegitimacy went up as fast as African-American illegitimacy.

Steve, do you know where I can get some year-by-year data?

So, why do you want more immigration?

Obviously, Matt realizes that the negative impact that ethnic diversity has on welfarism is based on the more productive races being the majority. If the net welfare-takers get to be the majority, the situation changes.

"I seriously doubt that Swedish illegitimacy went up as fast as African-American illegitimacy."

No, it actually went up as fast or faster. It went from fairly low levels early in the twentieth century (around 5-7 percent) to 54% now. African-American illegitimacy rates went up from a much higher level (we don't have great data, somewhere between 15-25% in early twentieth century) to 68% now.

burritoboy - what you cite is very misleading. The African-American illegitimacy increase was almost all concentrated in the space of 30 years - citation.

The illegitimacy ratio (out-of-wedlock births to all births) for African-Americans was 25% in 1964 and 70% in 1994. Unless the Sweidhs bastard explosion happened in a similarly short time, and as soon after they adopted the welfare state, Steve's point holds.

Moreover, there is the issue of what ratio of illegitimate children are really living in single-parent homes, and how many are living in two paent homes where the parents are simply not married. I have a feeling that these homes are much more prevalent in Sweden than in black America.

The ongoing discussion here *definitely* proves Brooks' point that surely none of Reagan & Co's subtle racist signaling could have been heard by anyone.

Shorter El Cid:

"Statistics are racist!"

Right, in Sweden most children born out of wedlock are born into two parent families with the father bringing home some bacon. Even without social pressures, Nordics tend to be fairly monogamous (perhaps because they tend to be shy). The same reason is why the Mexican-American illegitimacy rate (48% among American born mothers of Mexican descent) isn't quite as bad as it looks. But the black rate (a little under 70%) is just about as bad as it looks -- the great majority of those unmarried mothers are not living with and being supported by the baby daddies.

"If America was 70% white and 30% Korean, we'd have a smoothly functioning Nordic style welfare state by now, despite the racial division..." (Sailor)
Then you must be glad we have diversity - to throw a monkey wrench into any possibility of comprehensive social welfare - Since that goes counter to your overal conservatism. You like diversity more than you let on - if only to have as something to be against - like Castro enjoying Gitmo on Cuba soil all these years. What would you do without Gladwell? Attacking David Brooks is a poor substitute.

Under the circumstances, whatever Reagan was or wasn't doing in Mississippi, it's just not plausible that coded appeals to segregationists was the foundation of his electoral success.

I made this point here a few weeks ago. Reagan would have won the election without winning any southern states. I agree that racism is a systemic problem, but the reason we don't have universal health care is not just because of appeals to segregationists (ie the South), it's because the rest of the country is just as racist. For example, I don't believe that Sailor is from the South. Unfortunately appeals to racism seem to work everywhere in the US, even in Nordic-like states with very little racial diversity like Indiana.

Steve Sailer is a degeneratye racist, and always lies in wait waiting to spread racist hatred.

Shorter Sailer: "How dare you think my comments racist -- after all, I've got an hour's worth of statistics I'd like to share with you on which racial groups are truly the problem causers!"

Paraphrasing El Cid: It's not that he is wrong, it's just that Steve Sailer is racist to have figured it out!

Paraphrasing Jennifer: Inconvenient facts = lies!

You maniacs are also incapable of noticing the irony. David Brooks writes a column suggesting it's silly to think that Reagan really 'pandered to racists' in his campaign. You then follow up obsessing about statistics which are meant to show that perhaps if Reagan's campaign wasn't racist enough, maybe you could have helped out with that.

Feel free to wander through the thickets of racists' preferred statistics all you want. I did so quite enough in grad school -- especially all the "g" nuts (you know who you are), but I'm sure you're all as energetic as the "free energy" cranks to share your dramatic insights into the unacknowledged true causes of 'our' problems.

Come on folks - let's cool the tone. Btw - Brooks was being insincere. You have to understand that - and why he was doing that. Steve - sorry for the typo on your last name. But anyway, your use of statistics is incorrect.

El Cid, is this the same El Cid that used to post on the MSNBC BBS in the late 90's?


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