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Stasis

05 Nov 2007 10:18 am

Dave Roberts writes:

Over the course of Monday and Tuesday, Hillary Clinton is going to introduce her new energy plan -- "Powering America's Future: New Energy, New Jobs" -- with a few speeches and briefings.

Lacking any special insight, I assume she's going to put out a good plan. She has access to policy people who are, from a technocratic standpoint, as smart as any others out there and the dynamic of the race with two challengers running to her left mean that it would be a huge unforced error to release a plan that doesn't make the relevant groups happy. She has the incentive to produce a good plan, she has the people to write a good plan, and she's had the time to make a good plan, so I'm pretty sure a good plan will be the result. This is one respect in which the painfully long primary season has been a boon -- John Edwards' bold strokes have tended to set the tone, leading the other contenders to eventually put forward bolder, better ideas than they otherwise might. The result is all-but-guaranteed to be a general election nominee running on a solid platform of health care reform and carbon emissions curbs.

I worry, though, about the reverse dynamic kicking in on Iraq.

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Ezra Klein recently reminded me of Fafblog's classic "Fafblog Interviews the Democratic Party" post which, in turn, was a reminder of how lame 2005-vintage Democratic thinking about Iraq was. Over time, though, that thinking improved, which is a good thing. Nevertheless, Iraq is a constantly changing situation and when in early 2007 Bush rejected the verdict of the American people and the Baker-Hamilton Commission, much of the previous wave of proposals became irrelevant to the future debate.

But unlike on other issues, neither Hillary Clinton nor any of her rivals could afford to wait before talking about their plans for Iraq. As a result, the frontrunner has a stated position on Iraq today that's really based on the year-old Baker-Hamilton proposals. Worse, because nobody wants to be seen as "flip-flopping" and because everyone knows you tack left during the primaries and then right during the general election, she's all-but-guaranteed to have a platform in October 2008 that was really designed for the circumstances of December 2006 and doesn't reflect either the evolving situation on the ground or the evolving thinking of policy people, including some of her own advisors. And, indeed, though Edwards and Obama have both staked out positions I like somewhat better than Clinton's, the same basic dynamic of stasis will, I think, apply with nobody wanting to recalibrate their statements on Iraq (lest such a recalibration spawn a thousand process stories) even though this is precisely the sort of issue where people need to be constantly re-evaluating their ideas to see if they still make sense in light of changes in the objective situation.

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You're worrying about nothing. There will be a crystal clear difference between the two parties' nominees on Iraq. There will be plenty of time after January 20, 2009 for the new Democratic President to come up with a recalibrated Iraq plan.

Yes, it'll be comforting to hear how Hillary is going to find a gazillion barrels of oil in the ground heretofore unknown and undiscovered by the best geologists on the planet. Congress absolutely WILL NOT raise CAFE standards to a level causing a meaningful reduction in our national oil consumption. Conservation is successfully poo-pooed by all but the most ardent Greens as the last refuge of nancy-boys unwilling to kill Arabs for what they sit atop and is rightfully ours. Jim Kunstler gets cursed for being an alarmist but much of what he foretells is coming to pass. Residents of China, India and the rest of the third world are erecting auto and engine plants as fast as land, workers and material can be appropriated. Their citizens are salivating at the prospect of motoring around and enjoying the independence and mobility they see in Europe and North America. The U.S. is the largest emitter of greenhouse gasses and won't join efforts at meaningful reductions. China and India will increasingly add to the problem. So yes, please tell us Hillary what you're going to do about it all. Should be interesting since whatever Congress you find down the street in '09 will tell you to shove it up your ass if proposed measures so much as inconvenience a single constituent or cost a single business as much as 2 cents.

"There will be a crystal clear difference between the two parties' nominees on Iraq."

What will that crystal clear difference be? It's hard to see the difference now. Assuming the Dem nominee is Hillary, her Iraq policy has seemed to be one of initial hawkishness followed by years of equivocation. The only positive aspect of that is that, if present trends in Iraq continue (and I'm sure we're all hoping Iraqi and U.S. casualties continue to decline), Hillary will be less damaged by success in Iraq than any of the other Dem candidates.

Hillary will be less damaged by success in Iraq than any of the other Dem candidates.

Posted by Fred | November 5, 2007 10:46 AM
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To massage a too-worn analogy success in Iraq will be akin to the frog's pot of water never reaching full boil. The frog will never feel the need to leap out, it'll be content to just swim around aimlessly wondering why it's so goddamned hot and miserable all the time.

Lord, I miss Fafnir. What ever happened to them anyway?

Hillary will be less damaged by success in Iraq than any of the other Dem candidates.

A million dead is a success? I suppose Fred is a Nazi.

"Should be interesting since whatever Congress you find down the street in '09 will tell you to shove it up your ass if proposed measures so much as inconvenience a single constituent or cost a single business as much as 2 cents."

Yup! The only meaningful way to curb fossil fuel consumption is to raise marginal energy prices through taxation, and none of our whore-a-ticians have even 1% of the courage that would require.

Bengt Larsson,

A Nazi would thank your people for their material support of Nazi Germany during WWII. Imagine if your countrymen hadn't put personal profits first -- the war in Europe might have ended sooner.

Isn't there a vibrant debate going on in your country's blogosphere about attempts to curtail your country's unsustainable welfare policies? Why don't you join it, and leave the discussion of American electoral politics to Americans.

A Nazi would thank your people for their material support of Nazi Germany during WWII. Imagine if your countrymen hadn't put personal profits first -- the war in Europe might have ended sooner.
Posted by Fred | November 5, 2007 1:25 PM
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Yeah, those damned Northern Europeans really gummed things up a bit, didn't they? Them and the Decider's grandaddy. Of course 'Ol Prescott probably sends Fred's heart aflutter.

Meh. Well, current conditions call for changes a bit more extreme than what Hillary is offering, but I suppose it wouldn't be politically viable for anyone running for Pres. to propose to do what actually needs to be done about energy, foreign policy, etc. As far as this "Hillary surrounds herself with the best minds" narrative, I started out assuming that would be true, but by now I have really strong doubts about that. Minor curbs on carbon emissions are not going to do much good. What we need in a Pres. now is someone who will facilitate the transition to a new means of powering industry. Cars and transportation will never change unless the basic delivery mechanisms for industry are changed, and they're the most difficult things to change in the world. As far as Iraq, if you're the kind of person who is comforted by Hillary's rhetoric on the subject, then there's no point in trying to have a conversation about that! She is an alarmist. We have serious image damage to repair out there in the world. This will not be improved if we simply put forward our own version of Margaret Thatcher as opposed to someone who truly understands the damage that has been done during the Bush II presidency. Which I submit Hillary most certainly does not.

Well, I thought I shouldn't say something, but perhaps I should say something. That was rather lame, Fred.


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