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The Shah of Pakistan

07 Nov 2007 08:19 am

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Vali Nasr offers a troubling analogy:

The longer Musharraf stays in power the more Pakistan will look like Iran in 1979: an isolated and unpopular ruler hanging on to power only to inflame passions and bring together his Islamic and pro-democracy opposition into a dangerous alliance.

I keep veering between a sense that since this Pakistan business is one of the most important things going on right now I should write about it, and a sense that there's no reason for me to play fake Pakistan expert.

On the other hand, I do think this kind of talk from Nasr throws into sharp relief the nonsensical nature of the Bush administration's democracy-talk. If you want to create a reasonable interpretation of the "lack of democracy causes terrorism" theory then the one Nasr's bringing up here seems like by far the best candidate. You have your American-backed dictatorship, you have your popular anger at the dictatorship, and you have some of that anger being displaced onto the United States. Something like that certainly seems to have happened in Iran in the 1970s and it's a plausible account of at least some of what's going on in places like Pakistan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia today.

But even if you want to credit the Bush administration with a great deal of sincere belief in the desirability of spreading the blessings of democracy to Iraq, nothing they did ever addressed that dictatorship problem. Instead, democracy was always and everywhere seen as a tool to be used to displace troublesome regimes -- Iraq, Iran, Syria, the Palestinian Authority, North Korea. These weren't governments that were disfavored because they were undemocratic, they were targeted for democratization because they disfavored.

Now "reward your friends and punish your enemies" isn't a crazy approach to world affairs. But in this case it does run directly contrary to the entire theory of why democracy mattered. After all, you'd have to be a real idiot to turn into an anti-American radical because you didn't like Saddam Hussein or the Assads or the Mullahs in Iran. Opposition groups in those places you can expect to be friendly to America. It's in Egypt and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that you need to worry. Those are the countries where lack of democracy can, in principle, lead to an anti-American backlash. But those are precisely the countries where Bush never did anything other than tinker around the edges always leaving it clear that incumbent regimes' red lines would be respected. That, though, is just backwards and stupid and has nothing to do with the nominal problem at hand.

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George W. Bush may care more about democratizing Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan than MY thinks, if it's accepted that he sincerely believed a democratic Iraq would have a major democratic domino effect. But it didn't, nor would it have even if our adventure in Iraq had been successful.

You bring up good points. It is important to discuss Pakistan. It is shocking that Pakistan does not receive more attention from our foreign policy experts. It is the perfect storm waiting to happen. The radicals already hate us and tribal Pakistan has become Jihad central. By supporting Musharraf now in his little coup, we are alienating Pakistani moderates and intellectuals as well. This administration has been catastrophic in its failures.

If there is an Islamic revolution in Pakistan, we are screwed.

"It's in Egypt and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that you need to worry. Those are the countries where lack of democracy can, in principle, lead to an anti-American backlash."

"in principle" nothing.

those are the countries that gave us bin laden and zawahiri, exactly the #1 and #2 guys in al qaeda.

in other words, the backlash already happened. bush is just ensuring that there will be *more* of it, on the next administration's watch.

just like democrats will be the ones forced to enact the bush tax-hikes--the ones caused by his spending all our money in advance--so too, democrats will be forced to pick up after the bush terror-strikes--the ones caused by his botching foreign policy.

When are we allowed to say that the reason that Bush and Cheney are so supportive of Musharraf is that they see him as a potential model?

How much do you have to know?

.. to know that none of us knows enough about Pakistan to run the place. Please don't be modest about your lack of knowledge compared to the "experts". The difference between your ignorance and theirs on how to run the place is miniscule in comparison to the magnitude of our common ignorance, and they are much less likely to be appropriately self-aware of their ignorance insofar as their livelihoods depend on being "experts" on Pakistan.

Hell, I don't know enough to run the US, which, since I am clearly the wisest and most capable American, means no one has enough knowledge to run America, which is why we have a democracy, and no one gets to run America. The outcome of the recent tendency to deviate from this sound principle that no one should be in charge, towards some sort of unitary executive, should instruct us in the wisdom of democracy. The same considerations apply, in spades, to any foreigners discussing how Pakistan is to be run. All we can or should do is quit trying to help anyone run Pakistan.

MY sez: "But even if you want to credit the Bush administration with a great deal of sincere belief in the desirability of spreading the blessings of democracy to Iraq ..."

But of course their actions in Iraq (and I dare say everything else) show that democritization claims were nothing but deceptive, fine sounding phrases that masked their true agenda.

Iraq shows that to the Bush administration and the wider conservative movement, a government has only two functions: A military, and a giant ATM machine like Bremmer's CPA, as a way of funneling public funds to private insiders. They have no use for statecraft, negotiations, or talks, and indeed think talking to someone is a reward. They have no use for competitive bidding, eversight, accountability, or even accounting rules (how can you loose track of $9 billion in petty cash?). No building codes, no civil laws not even for murder, no public infrastructure other than oil wells and pipelines. No public policy for things like establishing a revenue sharing plan, just giving free rein to businesses to make private deals with public funds.

No, all you have to do is funnel billions into private hands and the free market will solve everything. Or not.

I was thinking about the Iranian revolution analogy as well. The key lesson, I thought, was that the Iranian revolution was initially a coalition of democrats and Islamists, but then, after the Shah was deposed and the hostage crisis defined the narrative as Islam vs. the Great Satan, the democrats got absolutely hosed. There seem to be elements of the anti-Musharraf uprising that are genuinely democratic and so seriously vulnerable; however afraid of the nasty Islamists we may become, I would hope that our diplomacy wouldn't leave the democrats out in the cold.

In this world, unfortunately, the Pakistani democrats are probably going to get hosed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Musharaff just win an election to stay in office? The Supreme Court said he can't be the President and the Head of the Military which is part of the current problems. Regardless, I do believe he won the election. I don't think the Shah ever had a ballot.

I think the real disagreement is what stage are we in the Shah of Iran analogy.

Bush seem to think we are in the final stages, and Islamicists are the alternative.

Most of the liberal press seems to think we are in the preliminary stages of the Shah's regime, and the resentment that will inevitable follow.

Compared to the Khan and Al-Haq regimes, this is the first Pakistani dictatorship that is widely unpopular, and we will likely be blamed for our support.

It is depressing that the conservatives decided that the lesson from the Iran revolution was that we should have more strongly supported the Shah.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assert that part of what's going on is the Administration's continued focus on terrorism as a tool of states rather than of peoples. From that perspective, democracy is supposed to reduce terrorism because democratic states (supposedly) don't come into conflict with one another and so (supposedly) would have no occasion to act as state sponsors of terrorism. Similarly, friendly dictators don't sponsor terrorism, or at any rate don't sponsor terrorism against us, and so aren't part of the problem.

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Musharaff just win an election to stay in office?

I think he was 'elected' by a parliament where opposition parties were largely banned and most of the guys in parliament were his cronies. Even Saddam Hussein was elected in that sense and by a huge 99% majority. Unfortunately when you have an election where only 1 guy is running and only selected people are allowed to vote, it is not really much of an election.

In general I agree with Matt, but let me play Devil's Advocate.

In Iraq, where the peaceniks complain about anarchy, the Bushies allowed the Iraqis to elect a somewhat incompetent pro-Iranian government (no doubt they're governing under tough circumstances). Should they have gone with Cheney's advice to put in a Musharaff-type strongman?

Also, 10 years ago Pakistan and India came extremly close to having a "nuclear exchange," so close that NSA and CIA guys watching it develop were shitting themselves. Meanwhile Clinton and the American media were asleep at the wheel dealing with Monicagate. Pakistan has nukes while Iran didn't (but ironically, the US helping the Shah out help Pakistan develop nukes.)

I think it was bad for nuclear proliferation, but Bush gave Pakistan's nemesis the greenlight over its nuclear program, including sharing technology (compare the treatment Iran has been getting.) Musharaff and Pakistan's military couldn't have been too happy about that. It's not exactly "treating your friends well."

Also the Saudis (bad as they are, at least they don't threaten to wipe Israel from the map) helped Pakistan develop nukes, helped Pakistan and Afghanistan fight off the Soviets. You can't come at the Saudis directly over democracy, you have to do a bank shot (via Iraq) and you have to do it gradually. I'm afraid the Bushies have given up on democracy promotion (they do only have a year left). Our Cold War clients Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have behaved badly (see 9-11) and the US has strengthened their enemies (post-Cold War) Shia Iran (via Iraq) and India (via nuclear technology and greater trade ties).

Ironically the Indian Communists are blocking the Indian nuclear deal. Maybe they're getting help (financing) from Pakistan and/or China???

Why limit yourself to those two?

The Indian Communist party is Marxist, not Maoist, although the insurgency there is.

Why not pin it on the Russians? After all, all the old guys are in charge again, and they were Indian allies for forty years.

In Iraq, where the peaceniks complain about anarchy, the Bushies allowed the Iraqis to elect a somewhat incompetent pro-Iranian government (no doubt they're governing under tough circumstances).

Is this part of the Devil's Advocate, or is this your stupid statment?

"Is this part of the Devil's Advocate, or is this your stupid statment?"

What don't you agree with?

Peaceniks cry "Iraq is a mess!" but if Bush had kept a Sunni strongman like Saddam to lord over the Kurds and Shia, anti-war people would have bitched "new boss same as the old boss!" Can't win with some people.

Worth a read: Irfan Hussain in The Dawn from Karachi:

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/20070311.htm

WTF? George Bush doesn't even believe in a democratic USA, so fuck all that noise.

"Peaceniks cry "Iraq is a mess!" but if Bush had kept a Sunni strongman like Saddam to lord over the Kurds and Shia, anti-war people would have bitched "new boss same as the old boss!" Can't win with some people."

Have to admire your steadfast refusal to allow "don't invade in the first place" as an alternative.

[The longer Musharraf stays in power the more Pakistan will look like Iran in 1979: an isolated and unpopular ruler hanging on to power only to inflame passions and bring together his Islamic and pro-democracy opposition into a dangerous alliance.]

Where is Pakistan's Khomeini?


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