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Early War Critics of the World Unite!

21 Dec 2007 05:46 pm

Kevin Drum makes an argument worth responding to regarding Hillary Clinton's foreign policy views, but that'll have to wait for tomorrow. Instead, let me note this post by Ambassador Joe Wilson in support of Clinton. Clearly, securing the support of some prominent war opponents like Wilson has, for Clinton, been an important part of the effort to defuse anger over her position on Iraq. And it really is to her credit that she has the support of several such figures. That said, claims like this from Wilson don't really fly:

Many of the most prominent early opponents of the war, including former General Wes Clark and former ambassador to the United National Richard Holbrooke support Senator Clinton for President, as do I.

Needless to say, Holbrooke didn't oppose the war at all. He was a fairly prominent advocate for war, not as influential as Kenneth Pollack, but part of the group of former Clinton administration officials who helped sell the war to Democratic politicians and citizens. The inability or unwillingness of Clinton and her circle to give an accurate account of what she and her allies were up to in 2002 and 2003 really bothers me. I'm willing to forgive people for their errors, but I'd like to know what Clinton et. al. think the moral of the story is (contrast her handling of this issue to the deft way in which she's plausibly argued that her participation in the failed health reform effort of the 1990s makes her uniquely prepared to grasp the pitfalls and find the path to progress) and what they've learned.

Instead, you keep hearing that she was actually opposed to the war! Or if she wasn't, maybe Bill was! Or maybe Dick Holbrooke was! Or, or, or, or ... who knows? It's an odd way to behave and it makes it hard to clear the air. John Edwards has, by contrast, acknowledged error in a straightforward way and then laid out a compelling vision of American engagement with the world that clearly reflects a new, post-Iraq understanding of how the country should conduct itself on the world stage.

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If you expect an honest accounting of anything from Hillary, you are smoking crack. It was popular to be for the war in 2003, so she was all for it. It is unpopular now, so she's against it. And if she and her shills can rewrite history to make it seem like they were always against it, then so much the better. That's what Serious, Grown-up politicians do. Naive crackpots who were right the first time and actually have beliefs are quaint, much like the Geneva Conventions.

And remember, Hillary has tons of foreign policy experience. She was a president's wife, you know. So it is just "her turn" to be president now.


Having been bitchy on this general subject around here lately, let me hasten to concur, and to add that Senator Clinton's record of supporting the Iraq war--and, even more, her, um, prevarications on the subject--look to me like a huge Achilles heel should she be the nominee. GOP thugs will waste no time exploiting her fundamentally compromised position on this, whereas Obama, with, as Matt constantly points out, the right kind of people on policy, has no such burden.

I might also add that Joe Wilson's Huffington bloviation is a self-satirically horrendous specimen of DC beltway insiderism. Sadly, he is and has seemingly always been a perfect asshole. But thanks, Joe, for that op-ed of July 6, 2003. We'll never forget it. Now--fuck off!

What they were up to was covering their asses. Here is the calculus. Bush was going to invade Iraq no matter what, It was a done deal. If you come out against that and we 'win' the war your national political life is over. Period.

Clinton might have been against the war on high principals like the legality and morality of invading a country unilaterally, but I doubt it. She may have been against it because it was likely to become a clusterfuck. That's more likely but the key here is "likely". That's not something to base your national elect ability on.

I doubt the cost in lives lost or ruined or the hundreds of billions entered into the calculations of any of the 'reluctant' war supporters. To even allow yourself to think in those terms means your not a leader. In fact a leader becomes a leader when calling on others to pay the price, for the nation.

This is a very fair point.

And, yet, funnily enough, we all know that if Clinton and Romney are the nominees, Yglesias will never mention either Bill's or Hillary's out-and-out dishonesty on whether they supported the Iraq war, but will continue to harp on how Romney said "I saw" when he should have said "I remember." That's what "reality-based" means, I guess: you create a reality to support your preconceived positions.

Hasn't Holbrooke recently urged support for Clinton because she is more likely than the other contenders to employ military force, which apparently is a goal in itself for the good Holbrooke.

You have tip your hat for Holbrooke - for no other reason save his ability to obfuscate and be on either side of the debate. He is much better at seeming to explain things than Hillary is.

There are people who could pass lie detector tests and tell you Holbrooke opposed the war. Evenn though he was in favor of it.

Why should Hillary be forthright about this when she and her husband have been forthright about so little else in their political lives. After all, it's not like anti-war Democrats like MY and the rest of you have anywhere else to go. So suck it up and smile.

Obama neither had the need or the opportunity to vote "Present" on the Iraqi War Resolution, given his record on Choice in the face of political expediency in the Illinois Senate his current claims that he would have been the poster boy for Profiles in Courage on the Iraq vote are a little in question. ' No' cost him nothing when expressed from the sidelines, the calculations for Senators in the runup to war were a little more complicated. Ask Max Cleland how that worked.

I think there are a lot of people who think that "to support a war" means that you're actually chipper about it and emotionally happy and a complete cheerleader for it, and that "to oppose a war" means that you think serious and sober and cautious thought about a war that you don't do anything to oppose.

Like, if you say, "Hey, it could be dangerous, and may not go the way we want," then there, wow, you "opposed" the war.

Interestingly enough, this is a view encouraged by the Bush Jr. mafia, because they are the ones who so clearly set up a regime for which any dissent from the Maximum Commander was considered as treason.

Thus anyone viewed by the Roves and the Cheneys as traitors could quite easily come to view themselves as heroic dissidents.

Bruce Webb, if Obama was thinking about running in president as early as 2002 as the Clinton camp claims, then not only opposing the war but going on shows like Charlie Rose to say that we would likely be unable to keep Iraq from falling apart along sectarian lines would have sunk his dream had the war gone well.

"What they were up to was covering their asses. Here is the calculus. Bush was going to invade Iraq no matter what, It was a done deal. If you come out against that and we 'win' the war your national political life is over. Period."

It's not like all of those Senate Democrats that voted against the first Iraq War were voted out of office. John Kerry, for instance, voted against the first Iraq War and is still in the Senate and ran for president.

"As we have learned, the march of folly is paved with good but naïve intentions."
~Amb. Joe Wilson

Amazingly dumb quote from Wilson - Sometimes it was painful being on his side during the Plame wars - Yes, his wife was mistreated - Yes, Bush was to blame, Yes = Scooter lied etc

But how does one "pave" a "march" -???

Looks like Old Joe is having acid flashbacks

Can we all agree it's time for Joe Wilson to STFU? Perhaps, this feeling can form the basis of reconcilaition with some old neocon friends/

Wilson's attractive wife was wronged and we were 'steadfast and still standing' (to borrow one of Wilson's stupid phrases) in support of her when the evil people were dumping on her.

Now it's time to admit that Wilson is a dips*** - Yes, he was right about Niger and yes Hitchens all them are still obfuscating that. But he was right by accident. He was lucky to have such a colossal group of schmucks as his enemies.

His book was so bad that we were surprised that many neocons did not pick up on some of the stupidities contained therein.

Read his portentiously phrased HuffPo poo and you'll have some idea of how bad his book was.

Not good for the Democratic Party when Clinton-land adopts the Rovian method against its very popular candidates. It’s really pissing people off, beyond what will just show up in raw polling numbers— it’s generating a lot of intense ill will, and a sense of the return of their bad faith, back to their dishonesty and arrogance-- the cash for pardons—Marc Rich.

Valerie should counsel Joe to shut the fuck up, or at least not be so partisan and dishonest. Joe Wilson has turned himself into the equivalent of nut job Bolton.

Time for Edwards and Obama to take the gloves off and strip the bark of those two, and remind the voters why it is indeed time for a change and to move beyond the Bush/Clinton era of corruption, arrogance and deception.

If Hillary does get the nomination, then: BLOOMBERG/HAGEL IN 08. Time for a fucking change.

Bloomberg would be an excellent President - He spent his first few months as Mayor undoing some of St. Rudy's mess without making a big fuss.

Ideally, he'll be Obama's VP - He'll write some big checks and help Obama get his grown up legs and he'll be respected around the world as a brilliant businessman.

VP is the only route.
Bloomberg , incidentally, would have no time to waste for Joe Wilson. Wilson was the type of character that he avoided when he hired people.

Joe should be quiet = Hillary, he is pissing off people with his lazy ass lies and his bad mixed metaphores, poor grammer and usage, and his unearned presumption.

Joe Wilson is a preening twit and I wish Valerie Plame were married to someone else so he would never have been in the spotlight to begin with.

Valerie deserves the best, and to be happy. I wouldn't mind seeing her as a Senator either.

Life is too short to anguish over all this. Like me, Hillary, Edwards, and most of the rest were wrong, wrong, wrong on Iraq. Obama and Kucinich were right. Kucinich will not be elected president, ergo, Obama. If Iraq is your issue, you have no choice. Of course, there are other things to consider, but Obama wins or ties on those matters as well. As Tex Antoine once said, just lie back and enjoy it.

I can't say I think much of the "Obama wasn't in the Senate so he had the comfort of being able to oppose the war" argument. Yeah, in a sense it is true. It is easier to oppose the war when nobody's going to vote you out of office for it.

But at the same time, Clinton and Edwards actually had the constitutional power to make the decision to send our troops to war. So by supporting the war, they actually murdered 3,800 Americans. In contrast, Obama's supporting the war would have done no such thing had he done so.

If you have a vote that counts on the war resolution, that makes it all the MORE imperative that you oppose it.

I felt really bad for Val Plame - She was clearly wronged and her antagonists were wicked.

That being said - Wilson was always a PR stumbling block.

We know so many people who did not follow the case closely, but took a look at Wilson, regarded him as transparently vain and phoney, and just went on to assume the case was all hype.

At first Wilson was great - His smug presumptuous "What I did not find" column was perfect bait for equally vain Cheneyities who just had to destroy the man that was so much like them. Then Chris Matthews - a lazy journalist - misquoted Wilson and ranted about all the neocons and then, wa la, it happened.

Another stupid Wilson metaphor "vineyards of national security"

WTF? Then he tries to turn the fact Obama was smart enough to figure it all out with out reading bs classified crap.

Look - Joe Wilson went to UC/Santa Cruz in the mid 70s. His diploma probably still smells of marijuana. No doubt he is enjoying the Sante Fe art scene and loves being a liberal hero - But please.

This Joe Wilson bashing is outta line, people. He deserves opprobrium for his revisionist history in this regard, but there's no call for all these personal attacks.

Matt Y -- stay on the case. At the outset of this campaign, my jaw dropped when HIllary would say, "If I had been President in March of 2003, we never would have invaded Iraq." As Matt pointed out a while ago, this was a big lie, because Hillary never once spoke out in the crucial period running from mid-Feb to March 18, 2003 and never called for allowing the inspectors to finish. She in fact issued a press release the night of Bush's ultimatum declaring support for Bush. I'm of course giving Hill the benefit of the doubt in saying that this was the crucial time; in fact it was in October 2002 when Obama spoke out against the war and Hillary voted to authorize it. But even crediting the notion that you could vote "yes" but hope the "yes" vote would solely be the means to getting inspectors in. the duty of those "yea"sayers was to then follow up and ensure that there was no precipitous invasion. Hillary was silent. COmpletely silent.

It doesn't speak well of Hillary's character or political common sense that she would allow herself to be associated with an appalling buffoon like Joe Wilson, who richly deserves all the "bashing" he's gotten here and more. It' amazing that so many in the leftwingnut echo chamber never got the memo--once the facts were known, it became clear that Plame-Wilson was "outed" by the CIA, who used her name in an open memo as chairing public meetings. Seeing this, the actual "leak" Richard Armitage, who hated the neocons and opposed the invasion, saw no reason not to gossip about it to Novak. All the conspiracy nonsense is pure politically-motivated fantasy. No one needed to "discredit" Wilson, who proved more than capable of doing the job himself.

I think it's highly likely that if Obama had been in the Senate representing all of Illinois, and in a sense the whole US, rather than a relatively small, relatively liberal Chicago constituency, he would voted the same way most other Senators did on the invasion-or maybe "present". Various attempts to divine the motives of these leaders from telepathy aside, this was objectively the right thing to do in 2002, and most of the honest ones went into great detail around the 2004 election to explain why.

People who don't know very much history are convinced that ending the career of Saddam was the greatest foreign policy mistake since Napoleon's march to Moscow. In fact, we'd be a hell of a lot worse off right now if he was still in charge of Iraq, with the sanctions collapsed as they already were in practical terms, using the cash from the giant Total/Fina/Elf oil deal signed in 2002 to fuel his drive for regional dominance. We'd be well into a nuclear arms race between Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia, without any practically effective intervention available, and with no end in sight.

George Orwell, of course, wrote about it 60 years ago.

"He who controls the past, controls the future"

"This Joe Wilson bashing is outta line, people. He deserves opprobrium for his revisionist history in this regard, but there's no call for all these personal attacks.”

Bullshit. When Clinton and their attack dogs lie and stab good Democrats in the back, then they are going to get it back ten fold. They have a long record of corruption, arrogance, and deception.

The party and the country would be so much better off if they would just go away with some dignity. But no-- let’s relive those wonderful years of Monica’s stained dress, their lies, Marc Rich. Yes, the impeachment was bullshit. But their corruption and deceit created the environment where it could happen.

Hillary, ole girl, no blaming any criticism on the "Right Wing Conspiracy" this time.


Richard Armitage did not oppose the invasion of Iraq - the commenter above is influenced by some lazy Chris Matthews propaganda perhaps - Armitage was often referred to in the press as an opponent, but like Powell, he was actually key to selling the war. Recall Powell signed that 'lets invade Iraq' manifesto in the 90s.

First of all - Armitage is on the record supporting Bush at the time of the invasion - It's not even a matter of conjecture or debate - Second of all, he was an employee of the Bush admin. They did not employe enemies. The plot against Wilson was complicated and not limited to one person.

>Needless to say, Holbrooke didn't oppose the war at all. He was a fairly prominent advocate for war, not as influential as Kenneth Pollack, but part of the group of former Clinton administration officials who helped sell the war to Democratic politicians and citizens.

Well, sell it to Matt at least.

Seeing this, the actual "leak" Richard Armitage, who hated the neocons and opposed the invasion, saw no reason not to gossip about it to Novak.

Are you talking about the Richard Armitage who signed the (in)famous 1998 letter from Project for New American Century (PNAC) to President Clinton urging the US to overthrow Saddam?

Neither Colin Powell nor Richard Armitage were in favor of invading Iraq, and argued against it. Armitage's 1998 letter concerned the Iraq Liberation Act of that year, written by Bob Kerry and signed by Bill Clinton-worth a read. Things evolved considerable in the next few years.

Once the invasion policy was set, Powell and Armitage saluted and did their duty, much in the way the Senate did, because they were not "opposed" enough to fight against the policy. I think this is entirely understandable under the circumstances existing in 2002-3. It was not the clear call it is presented as having been in hindsight--most careful observers could see the point of those arguing that delay was unacceptably dangerous on a number of levels, and events were moving with a considerable momentum not all of which was attributable to the White House.

The idea that Dick Armitage's gossip about a person he had concrete reason to believe wasn't covert was part of a "complicated plot against Wilson" is simply preposterous. Wilson wishes he was so important. The nature of the actual plot is revealed by the fact that Wilson wasn't required to sign the usual disclosure agreement by the CIA. Ever wonder why you haven't seen any other op eds by people after recently commissioned CIA trips?

Not only was Colin Powell in favor of invading Iraq, he actually gave a speech to the UN arguing for it - He made 25 errors of fact in his speech - many of which he should have known to be false at the time.

The whole Powell is against the invasion meme is a false narrative - One that was always oversold before the proof was in.

Armitage supported the war - all you have to do is do a lexis search for his public statements at that time.

Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is wasting your time and insulting your intelligence.

Criticisng Joe Wilson for his foolish essay for Hillary is not the same thing as being dismissive of the actual plot against Wilson. In addition, it's inappropriate to put ironic quotes around that phrase because it taken from Judge Tatel's decision in the Miller case and it is in all the court documents. There is a boring troll element that likes to pretend that case was not tried and settled. Don't be a bore and don'y attribute false views to people who are on the record saying otherwise - Unless you are a mind reader or conspiracy theorist who has some sort of occult knowledge that would enlighten us all.

Shorter Robert Powell on the outing of Valerie Plame:

You crazy leftist conspiracy theorists who speculate without evidence that the administration outed Plame in return for his revealing of facts regarding Iraq-Niger clearly don't acknowledge my crazy conspiracy theory that she was outed by the CIA itself.

Also, let me lecture you once again on how long-sufferingly noble has been every aspect of every thought I've ever had about invading and occupying Saddam Hussein, I mean Iraq.

Comment wrote:

“Criticizing Joe Wilson for his foolish essay for Hillary is not the same thing as being dismissive of the actual plot against Wilson….. There is a boring troll element that likes to pretend that case was not tried and settled.”

Indeed, but if it were only for the trolls . MSM was a leading “co-conspiracy” (or deception, call it what you like). They were in total sync and just kept repeating the lies. It was also pretty clear that if some one breached the “Code of Silence” they would be outcasts. I’ll never forget Andrea Mitchell and Woodward (“it’s not a big deal”) on Hardball or some such, spinning that there was no damage to the CIA, yada yada,. The leak was justified because Cheney needed to “expose” the truth that Valerie was sending Joe on a “boondoggle to Niger. How many times did MSM repeat that, let alone the Neocons. Who the hell would think going to Niger was a “boondoggle”. And poor Libby, the patriot. Justice demands he be pardoned…”

The number one domestic policy goal of Bush after the 2004 election was the need to restructure Social Security because he said it was (mistakenly and fatally) fiscally, in big, big trouble. The Dems and the liberal blogs fought Bush like hell on that and we won. If Obama is the Democratic nominee and is elected, he might make a great President. We don't know. I would vote for him as the nominee given his likely opponent. However, to say he wins or ties on all his domestic positions with JE and HK is not true. Only Obama of the three agrees with the opponents of the way it is currently structured, that SS is in trouble fiscally and needs fixing when the experts, like Krugman, can show, and have shown that that is not the case. Why he takes that position is beyond me. He hasn't really explained it satisfactorily to me. He probably has been convinced by his advisors or takes the position himself before he was so advised. What is true is that he and his advisors' attacks on Krugman, after he expressed his upset with Obama's position. took statements out of context and mixed apples and oranges. That didn't show me much. I really don't know how Obama would preside as President, but I agree with Krugman that the guys on the other side of the aisle are radicals, not conservatives or moderates, and it is going to take playing very hardball to take them on. Hillary though she has questionable advisors and like her husband might well triangulate, has lived with the right wing conspiracy and I believe she will fight the otherside. She has the brains, but more important the guts to do this. JE's campaign is based on fighting them. Perhaps Obama would do it, but I haven't seen it so far.

The number one domestic policy goal of Bush after the 2004 election was the need to restructure Social Security because he said it was (mistakenly and fatally) fiscally, in big, big trouble. The Dems and the liberal blogs fought Bush like hell on that and we won. If Obama is the Democratic nominee and is elected, he might make a great President. We don't know. I would vote for him as the nominee given his likely opponent. However, to say he wins or ties on all his domestic positions with JE and HK is not true. Only Obama of the three agrees with the opponents of the way it is currently structured, that SS is in trouble fiscally and needs fixing when the experts, like Krugman, can show, and have shown that that is not the case. Why he takes that position is beyond me. He hasn't really explained it satisfactorily to me. He probably has been convinced by his advisors or takes the position himself before he was so advised. What is true is that he and his advisors' attacks on Krugman, after he expressed his upset with Obama's position. took statements out of context and mixed apples and oranges. That didn't show me much. I really don't know how Obama would preside as President, but I agree with Krugman that the guys on the other side of the aisle are radicals, not conservatives or moderates, and it is going to take playing very hardball to take them on. Hillary though she has questionable advisors and like her husband might well triangulate, has lived with the right wing conspiracy and I believe she will fight the otherside. She has the brains, but more important the guts to do this. JE's campaign is based on fighting them. Perhaps Obama would do it, but I haven't seen it so far.

Larry - worth noting that Andrea Mitchell withdrew her comments when the case went to court - She corrected herself, quietly. Alas, it was all a mistake.

Jim,

Why won't the "Reality-Based Community" acknowledge the fiscal challenges of our current entitlements? Simply because that would make it more difficult for them to propose new ones with a straight face. It's that ideological and political bias that has caused 'experts' like Krugman to flip-flop on this.

For more on the Armitage--Plame-Wilson connection, I recommend thisarticle by David Corn. A particularly interesting paragraph:

Noting that President George W. Bush had referred to this allegation in his 2003 State of the Union speech, Wilson maintained that the administration had used a phoney claim to lead the country to war. His article ignited a firestorm. That meant that the State Department had good reason (political reason, that is) to distance itself from Wilson, a former State Department official. Armitage may well have referred to Wilson's wife and her CIA connection to make the point that State officials--already suspected by the White House of not being team players--had nothing to do with Wilson and his trip.h

For more on the Armitage--Plame-Wilson connection, I recommend thisarticle by David Corn. A particularly interesting paragraph:

Noting that President George W. Bush had referred to this allegation in his 2003 State of the Union speech, Wilson maintained that the administration had used a phoney claim to lead the country to war. His article ignited a firestorm. That meant that the State Department had good reason (political reason, that is) to distance itself from Wilson, a former State Department official. Armitage may well have referred to Wilson's wife and her CIA connection to make the point that State officials--already suspected by the White House of not being team players--had nothing to do with Wilson and his trip.h

For more on the Armitage--Plame-Wilson connection, I recommend thisarticle by David Corn. A particularly interesting paragraph:

Noting that President George W. Bush had referred to this allegation in his 2003 State of the Union speech, Wilson maintained that the administration had used a phoney claim to lead the country to war. His article ignited a firestorm. That meant that the State Department had good reason (political reason, that is) to distance itself from Wilson, a former State Department official. Armitage may well have referred to Wilson's wife and her CIA connection to make the point that State officials--already suspected by the White House of not being team players--had nothing to do with Wilson and his trip.h

Why won't the "Reality-Based Community" acknowledge the fiscal challenges of our current entitlements? Simply because that would make it more difficult for them to propose new ones with a straight face. It's that ideological and political bias that has caused 'experts' like Krugman to flip-flop on this.

It depends on which entitlement program you're discussiing. With regard to Social Security, most liberals genuinely believe that the fiscal challenges have been exaggerated & overstated. With regards to Medicare, most liberals do acknolwedge that Medicare faces serious challenges, but place responsibility on the larger problems with our health care system.

And, by the way, Krugman hasn't flip-flopped.

With regards to Medicare, most liberals do acknolwedge that Medicare faces serious challenges, but place responsibility on the larger problems with our health care system.

Funny, that's exactly how it would seem Obama feels. Unless of course you'd like to provide a direct quote showing where he contradicts this sentiment. He wants to raise the cap. That's all. No privatization, no "market-based" solutions to SS.

I read an article in on healthcare and SS NYTimes where Matt Bai concludes, "Obama only sin in this regard is that he said what he believed." I disagree. Obama's only crime is that Hillary and Edwards needed to bash him and since they couldn't find a real issue, they decided to make one up.

You want to see a real right-wing talking point, howabout Hillary's spin calling Obama's plan a "$1 trillion tax increase".

It is a fact that the CIA "outed" Plame--her name, as Valerie Wilson, was on a generally-distributed memo as chairing public meetings on proliferation, which was Armitage's "source" on her status (which was at least arguably not covert in the first place). I don't think it was a conspiracy either way, and no one has been convicted in any court for participating in one. Libby clearly lied in a foolish attempt at damage control when it appeared the trumped up case for conspiracy might harm his boss. Bad decision.

It is also a fact that Wilson, unlike any other CIA asset I've ever heard of, was able to publish an op ed in the NYT's on his Big Adventure. Maybe someone has a good explanation for this other than a political one. I'd like to hear it.

Both Powell and Armitage argued against invading Iraq. By 2003, very few people were left who opposed it any more based on the track record of the previous twelve years. Neither are by any stretch of the imagination "neocons", and the idea that either of these men were involved in a conspiracy to discredit the hardly-credible Wilson is ridiculous. Joe Wilson's op ed was a trivial matter until it was pumped up into faux significance by people who lost the argument on Iraq in 2002.

Iraq was, and is, too important and complex as an issue to try dividing participants in the debate into "good guys vs bad guys" false dichotomies. Doing so is evidence of bias, ignorance, and the sort of dishonest bad faith usually associated with narcissistic adolescents.

Libby clearly lied in a foolish attempt at damage control when it appeared the trumped up case for conspiracy might harm his boss. Bad decision.

Wow. That's not something I knew. That's not something anyone knew, certainly not based on any actual evidence. Of course, had he not participated in the blocking of an investigation, more might be known, but thankfully those who telepathically link to Libby's own memories can show us differently.

Perhaps the CIA did out Plame in an effort to destroy their own intelligence gathering with regard to weapons of mass destruction in Iran so as to distance themselves from Joe Wilson who told the absolute truth of the ridiculous claim that Iraq sought even more hundreds of tons of yellowcake uranium from Niger in addition to the thousands and thousands of tons of yellowcake they already possessed yet could not process properly.

This seems like a far less reasonable hypothesis than the one being dismissed.


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