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31 Dec 2007 01:14 pm

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Jackson Diehl starts his latest column on a promising note: "For five years Washington-based officials and pundits have repeatedly made the mistake of predicting that the next six or 12 months in Iraq would be decisive." He then, however, just goes on to engage in the same fallacy: "Yet, for once, saying that the next six to 12 months will win or lose the war just might be right." And it becomes even less promising from there:

The number of American soldiers in Iraq started coming down last month. By July it will have dropped from the peak of 180,000 it reached briefly in November to 130,000, or 15 brigades, the force level before the surge. The Pentagon has until March to judge how Iraqis react to the initial withdrawals -- whether violence in volatile places such as Anbar province remains low or escalates again as U.S. troops depart. Then another decision will be made, on whether to reduce the force by five more brigades, to a total of about 100,000 troops, by the end of 2008.

This decision ought to be based entirely on whether Iraq's progress can continue with an American force 40 percent smaller than it was at the surge's peak. But external politics is already intruding: Gen. George Casey, the architect of the failed U.S. military strategy in Iraq pre-Petraeus, is already pushing for the full reduction, on the grounds that the Army needs to reduce its exposure in Iraq. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, whose strategic preoccupation has been arriving at a force level in Iraq that could win bipartisan acceptance in Washington, has said publicly that he'd like to hit the 100,000 target.

The idea that America's policy toward Iraq "ought to be based entirely" on conditions in Iraq, and that anything else constitutes the intrusion of "external politics" is really foolish. When considering US policy toward Iraq -- or toward Mexico or Afghanistan or Kenya or Pakistan or Russia or wherever else -- we have to try to do the right thing all things considered. To observe that were we willing to commit an unlimited quantity of resources to the country for an unlimited period of time we might be able to improve conditions in Iraq is silly. Suppose we dedicated infinite resources to security and economic development in nearby Haiti? Or Jamaica -- slightly further away, but conveniently inhabited by English-speakers? Our willingness to spend hundreds of billions of dollars in Jamaica forever and ever ought to be based entirely on the crime and unemployment rate of Kingston, but unfortunately external politics is already starting to intrude.

But, of course, nobody would write something like that. But if General Casey thinks we need to expeditiously reduce our force levels in Iraq to 100,000 in order to rescue the Army from dangerous "overexposure" to Iraq, isn't that worth taking seriously on the merits? Diehl doesn't seem to want to grapple with it, but Casey and the joint chiefs seem to me to believe that because it's true. Now Diehl also says that if we reduce to that level, the security gains of the "surge" are likely to go away. I tend to agree with that as well. Which is what makes the surge so foolish -- why embark on an unsustainable course of action? Certainly it's what makes talk of the surge's success so foolish. The goal, after all, was to put Iraq on a sustainable path. But the surge force levels aren't sustainable. And the security gains are unlikely to be sustainable if we move our force levels to a sustainable level.

That's not "external politics" meddling with a solid plan, it's reality crashing down.

DoD photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Sean Mulligan, U.S. Navy

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I think it is simply indisputigable that the next 6 or 12 or 18 or 24 or 30 or 36 or 42 or 48 or 54 or 60 months will likely be crucial to the U.S. occupation of Iraq.

Well, just this once, I think the 6-12 month time frame really does make sense...

I think that's about the time it will take for us to discover whether or not our financial system and economy end up collapsing due to all that bad derivative paper floating around.

And just like the collapse of the Soviet economy, brought home all their garrisons from next-door Eastern Europe, I'd expect a similar result for distant Iraq from a domestic economic collapse in America.

On the other hand, the return to America of tens of thousands of newly unemployed Blackwater mercenaries with some expensive acquired tastes might have some other negative consequences.

The goal, after all, was to put Iraq on a sustainable path.

No.

The goal was to create a client state that will tolerate a permanent, large-scale US military presence. A "sustainable path" for Iraq is only of interest to the extent that it furthers that goal.

Note that Gates wants to find "a force level in Iraq that could win bipartisan acceptance in Washington"--i.e., one that will keep pressure for withdrawal to a minimum and ensure an open-ended occupation.

It's time to bring our brave dogs home.

The 6-12 month thing reminds me of a "Free Drinks Tomorrow" sign at a bar.

Or "back in 5 minutes".

Success is just around the temporal corner in the four-dimensional differentiable manifold of the space time continuum.

We need to get our soldiers out of Iraq and start flooding the region with reparations.

Seriously Guys, anyone who still holds out hope that this war can be won needs to lay off the drugs and/ or booze. Think this is a little extreme? Then name me a scenario - any scenario - in which the cost in lives (of Iraqis and Americans), treasure, international reputation, etc. will be justified. No really, any situation... Getting the point, yet?

If I had told you in March of 2003 that almost 4,000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis will be killed at a cost of half-a-trillion dollars (and counting) while torturing POW's would result from an invasion of Iraq, would you still have supported the invasion?

Remember, EVERY justification - save Hussein's obvious reign of terror - turned out to be WRONG. Didn't anyone learn from the Gulf of Tonkin scandal? Hasn't anyone noticed that things are WORSE for Iraqis than they were before the invasion after 4 years? Think about that for a second, we made things worse than a murderous tyrant we sought to remove from office.

Oh the humanity...

Where's Powell? I expect him here any minute reminding us how our "vital national interests in the Middle East region" require us to soldier on indefinitely until "success" is at hand. And anybody who disagrees has no concept of history since 1991, and is a "cut-and-run" fairy.

Fucking nitwit.

kiweagle has it right. No matter HOW Iraq turns out now - unless it suddenly turns into a pro-American Dubai overnight and even that would be a questionable result - could possibly justify the resources expended so far.

So the question reduces to: can we just make it better than it is now?

To which I respond with Scott Ritter's formulation: Leave today. Because today is the best day you're going to get from now on.

Will things get "better" - whatever that means - in Iraq? Sure. Someday. Somehow. For somebody. Not necessarily any given faction. Not necessarily us. But for somebody. Someday. Somehow.

Does that outcome justify another $12 billion a month for the next X years?

Anybody who says that is either an utter moron or in fact doesn't think that and has an ulterior agenda.

"Where's Powell? I expect him here any minute reminding us how our "vital national interests in the Middle East region"..."

Yeah, that Powell's a loon for saying that we have vital national interests in the Persian Gulf region...

Anywho, the trajectory set by Petraeus/Crocker/Bush/Gates in Iraq will be continued whoever the next President is.

....hundreds of thousands of Iraqis will be killed at a cost of half-a-trillion dollars (and counting) while torturing POW's would result from an invasion of Iraq....

Think about that for a second, we made things worse than a murderous tyrant we sought to remove from office.
Oh the humanity...
Posted by kiweagle

All I read from you is a craving for defeat to repeat the Left's triumphant Vietnam War stab in the back the South Vietnamese and of the US troops as atrocity-happy monsters.

Won't happen.

The people are on to Lefty scumbags. Never again will you get away with dishonoring our troops.

The USA, by foreign military observers, has used precision war and restrictive ROE to minimize deaths as no army fighting an insurgency ever did - though they pretty much agree our early post-war decisions were catastrophic. Not the fault of the grunts, nor did the US kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Iraqis killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Did so before we were there, did again while we are there, and if we don't get a reasonably stable country with each faction able to defend itself against other Iraqis or radical Islamists of the AQ or Shiite variety, will do so again.

Nor is the war "unsustainable" from a manpower or resource standpoint. We had 500,000 combat troops in Germany and surrounding NATO countries while we had 450,000 working the Vietnam theater, back when we had half the population and 1/4th our present GNP.

Its only a matter if the ME is in the vital interests of the USA, and if we have the political will to reach sustainability. --And can regain the smarts to bring on valuable allies after Bush made a mess of it.


Yeah, Fred, oil is our "national interest" - well worth killing millions of people for, right?

Ford rants thusly: "Not the fault of the grunts, nor did the US kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis"

Yes, the US DID kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. If you look at the Lancet study, they estimated thirty percent of Iraqi deaths were from US military effects - bombings, etc. That puts the death toll from the US military on the order of 300,000 at least, given the estimate of one million Iraqi deaths from the war.

And of course, we did that because "Saddam killed 300,000 Shia" at some point - which was never proven to boot.

"by foreign military observers" - like the Brits, whose officers repeatedly criticized the US "ham-handedness" as reported in all the press.

"if we have the political will to reach sustainability. --And can regain the smarts to bring on valuable allies after Bush made a mess of it."

And a pony.

You lost a stupid war that should never have been started, fucktard - get used to it. You and your ilk cost the US taxpayer trillions, you killed 4,000 US troops, crippled thousands more, gave PTSD to thousands more, killed a million Iraqis, displaced four million more, and destabilized the entire region.

Take your Ku Klux Klan ass to Iraq if you want to win it so bad. I'll personally pay for the bullet or IED whatever Sunni insurgent or Shia militia member uses to blow your ass away.

For the record: Ending the occupation and bringing the soldiers home to their families instead of extending their tours to make up for the shortfall IS supporting the troops.

Let me put this another way, I'm willing to bet that anyone... ANYONE could come up with a way of deposing a dictator for a billion dollars without a drop of blood spilled.

Keep in mind that the Gross Domestic Product of Afghanistan and Iraq COMBINED was just over $100 billion in 2006 (wikipedia.org). We could have paid the income of every single wage-earner for 5 years straight instead of bombing and shooting everyone straight to hell - how's that make you and your tax dollars feel? How does that make a soldier's family feel? The troops have put in all the hard work - now it's time WE did something for them.

"For the record: Ending the occupation and bringing the soldiers home to their families instead of extending their tours to make up for the shortfall IS supporting the troops."

For the record: we have a volunteer military. It's 2008. Every soldier today either signed up or re-upped when we were already at war in both Iraq and Afghanistan. If they didn't want to be in the shit right now, the wouldn't have signed up. Fact is, they like being there: they know they are making a difference, bringing a measure of security and progress to benighted countries. They're also building some wealth by collecting tax-free five-figure re-enlistment bonuses overseas, and they are burnishing their military resumes with combat citations. Plus, they'll have life and death stories to share in bars for the rest of their lives.

"I'm willing to bet that anyone... ANYONE could come up with a way of deposing a dictator for a billion dollars without a drop of blood spilled."

Of course - even easier if you don't mind spilling the dictator's blood and those of his nearest associates.

I re-iterate my standing offer: pay me a billion in advance and you get bin Laden in ninety days (if he's still alive - apparently Benazir was convinced he was dead, and explicitly named the guy who had him offed in a recent interview - which Fox News and the BBC both censored.)

Beyond that, pay me enough money and I'll solve any problem you got.

As Chico once said, "You pay us enough, we coulda leave yesterday!"


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