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07 Dec 2007 03:12 pm

So according to Jane Harman:

In early 2003, in my capacity at Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee, I received a highly classified briefing on CIA interrogation practices from the agency’s General Counsel. The briefing raised a number of serious concerns and led me to send a letter to the General Counsel. Both the briefing and my letter are classified so I cannot reveal specifics, but I did caution against destruction of any videotapes.

Given the nature of the classification, I was not free to mention this subject publicly until Director Hayden disclosed it yesterday. To my knowledge, the Intelligence Committee was never informed that any videotapes had been destroyed. Surely I was not.

This matter must be promptly and fully investigated and I call for my letter of February 2003, which was never responded to and has been in the CIA’s files ever since, to be declassified.

On some level, obviously, one needs to sympathize with a member of congress who's being stymied by abuse of the classification procedure. At the same time, this is hardly a one-off. The clearest example, at this point, is probably the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, where the Bush administration released a declassified version that had different bottom-line conclusions than did the classified version. Obviously, while it's perfectly appropriate to classify substantial portions of an NIE, the conclusions themselves don't contain sources and methods, and there was no justification for them ever to be classified.

What members who find themselves in the position Harman says she's in -- and the position that Dick Durbin, Carl Levin, and others found themselves in regarding the 2002 NIE -- need to realize is that on some level acquiescence in these kind of abuses winds up legitimizing them. A member who believes he or she is in possession of evidence of crimes being committed and covered-up through illegitmate classification ought to seriously consider civil disobedience: calling a press conference, stating the facts, and accepting responsibility for the consequences. The White House could, of course, then turn around and seek to prosecute a member for violating classification laws, and the member could argue justification and we'd have it out. That's a tough call to make, clearly. But our political leaders have responsibilities to the country and to the constitution and I've never seen a candidate for office say something like "I'm the one who likes to abdicate responsibility, decline to make the tough calls, and then when someone else gets to the bottom of things try to make sure that my ass was covered."

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> The White House could, of course, then turn
> around and seek to prosecute a member for
> violating classification laws, and the member
> could argue justification and we'd have it out.
> That's a tough call to make, clearly.

Would you seriously put it beyond Cheney and Yoo to scream "treason" and have the Congressperson who did that snatched and sent to Gitmo for torture? I wouldn't - these guys absolutely do not believe in the law or the Constitution.

Cranky

this really has nothing to do with anything but does it matter that it was a "highly classified" briefing?

if it had just been "classified" well, then she would have done something about it? But since it was "highly classified" she couldn't?

Cmon jane...

Exactly what I have been saying. Think of it as The Classification Dodge.

At some point you have to stand up for what is right and deal with the consequences as they come. What are the chances we would see a sitting U.S. Congresswoman or Senator in jail over uncovering CIA torture?

Their failure to act on this is a tacit endorsement of the behavior. If they truly were "concerned" and had knowledge of actual video evidence of torture they had a moral duty act. They both failed miserably.

In early 2003, in my capacity at Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee, I received a highly classified briefing on CIA interrogation practices from the agency’s General Counsel. The briefing raised a number of serious concerns and led me to send a letter to the General Counsel. Both the briefing and my letter are classified so I cannot reveal specifics, but I did caution against destruction of any videotapes.

Given the nature of the classification, I was not free to mention this subject publicly until Director Hayden disclosed it yesterday. To my knowledge, the Intelligence Committee was never informed that any videotapes had been destroyed. Surely I was not.

This matter must be promptly and fully investigated and I call for my letter of February 2003, which was never responded to and has been in the CIA’s files ever since, to be declassified.

Good post. I think in 2003 it would have been really difficult to go the civil disobedience route. Some of these things that seem really big now, are partially seen as that important because we (appropriatetly) fit them into this narrative of the Bush adminstration's lying, incompetence, and stupid cruelty that didn't emerge in its full form until relatively recently. After 2003 for sure. So, I have some sympathy for congressional membbers who are or were trying to protect national security and playing by the old bipartisan rules on things like intelligence. One shouldn't through them overboard without serious consideration.

It it totally consistent with the Democrats' refusal to ever...bring things to a head with the Administration. Whether it is subpoenas or eavesdropping or torture, the Democrats never opt to take things to their natural conclusion. They never call the Administration's bluff. They are terrified they will lose.

Of course, people with principles are willing to risk defeat in order to stand up for what they believe in.

If the constitution still stood, the congressperson could release such info in a speech on the floor of the house and be immune from legal (as opposed to political) retaliation.

Article I Section 6

See here for expanded explanation.

Actually, as long as they came out with what they knew on the House or Senate floor, they wouldn't be subject to immediate prosecution:

...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same, and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.


The courts are pretty strict about this, I think.

She should book a flight to Switzerland. When she gets there she should videotape herself reading all those delicious classified documents, and then never come back. It's her responsibility. That is, if she believes that torture is wrong.

She should book a flight to Switzerland. When she gets there she should videotape herself reading all those delicious classified documents, and then never come back. It's her responsibility. That is, if she believes that torture is wrong.

Even without Article I, Section 6, the courts have historically been reluctant to interfere with Article I v. Article II powers disputes.

If Congresscritters revealed classified info to the American people that they had access to, in their capacity as members of a co-equal branch of the government, I can't see that the President would have the authority to arrest them.

Of course, that might not stop THIS President from incarcerating them anyway.

So Harman's never heard of the Speech and Debate clause? Well, if she's never heard of it then she just might not object to the indictment I wished for in a comment to the previous post. Huzzah! Ponies for everyone!

I'm not sure that Article I, sec 6 is really the magic bullet here. If one has committed Treason or a felony (which disclosing classified intel most certainly is) they are not protected by the Speech and Debate clause.

Or am I just parsing that incorrectly? Looking at the case law linked above I'm not seeing this issue addressed.

Constitutional niceties aren't to the point, the political realities of 2002 and 2003 are. Harmon might have survived the accusations in her district, but her party would have seen its reputation damaged.

There was also a significant risk that the executive would have reacted by further restrictions on information supplied to Congress and members of the minority party.

Best to rally round and look to the laws broken by Goss and others.

Would you seriously put it beyond Cheney and Yoo to scream "treason" and have the Congressperson who did that snatched and sent to Gitmo for torture?

Yes. I would. Even in 2003, when they were riding a lot higher than they are now.

What happened to Jose Padilla was appalling on many levels, but the reality is that he was a Latino gang member with no money or connections. This doesn't make his treatment any more acceptable, but it is a big part of the reason Bush was able to get away with it. Members of Congress have lots of highly-placed friends pretty much by definition. I'm not saying they could never be Gitmo'd, but between that point and where we are there several Rubicons more to cross.

there will be plenty of indictments to go around, but the VERY FIRST ACT of a new Democratic President should be for his (or her) Attorney General to indict Jane Harman and Jay Rockefeller.

Felony conspiracy and dereliction of duty, repeated violations of their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution, these are just the starting points.

Bipartisan prosecutions of corruption and high crimes START with indicting Harman and Rockefeller. seriously, even though this won't happen we really need to put it on the agenda.

"Candidate Obama, will you consider charges against Harman and Rockefeller? Candidate Edwards, as President will you see to it that Harman and Rockefeller are prosecuted?"

I'm not sure that Article I, sec 6 is really the magic bullet here. If one has committed Treason or a felony (which disclosing classified intel most certainly is) they are not protected by the Speech and Debate clause.

I believe the traditional interpretation of the speech and debate clause is that it provides immunity from prosecution for all crimes premised on the member's words on the floor.
Because any criminal proceeding based on the members words on the floor would amount to questioning the member in another place, that proceeding would be forbidden. So revealing classified information on the floor should not result in prosecution (though the member might be expelled by his colleagues).

Being members of Congress and all, they could, you know, legislate.

They could radically alter the scope of the classification system. They could lodge review of classification decisions to a system of independent, administrative "classification" courts, where Members of Congress would have the privilege of expedited review, should they wish to challenge classification.

Thanks SouthPaw - I must have missed Con Law that day ;)

The simple fact that she sent a classified letter to the General Counsel of the CIA and never got a reply should have pissed her off enough to demand an answer. I mean, the CIA Counsel should be required to respond as a matter of course to any request from the Congress, just like any other branch of the government.

So basically these people don't even follow up on day to day matters of concern. They're treated like dirt by certain people in the government and they don't care.

It's pathetic.

I just sent this over to Jane Harman. It is a quote from Orator, Congressman & Senator Daniel Webster, from the Great State of New Hampshire (you know, the "Live Free or Die" state):

An American Without Reserve
Daniel Webster (1782-1852)

"I was born an American; I live an American; I shall die an American; and I intend to perform the duties incumbent upon me in that character to the end of my career. I mean to do this with absolute disregard to personal consequences.

What are the personal consequences? What is the individual man, with all the good or evil that may betide him, in comparison with the good or evil which may befall a great country, and in the midst of great transactions which concern that country's fate?

Let the consequences be what they will, I am careless. No man can suffer too much, and no man can fall too soon, if he suffer, or if he fall, in the defense of the liberties and constitution of his country."

'Nuff said.

Harsh interogation?

That's all?

we should be burning the scumbags alive

> 'm not saying they could never
> be Gitmo'd, but between that point
> and where we are there several Rubicons
> more to cross.

You have a lot more faith in the rule of law than I do. Cheney & Co. have already destroyed a CIA operation for political reasons, lied about it to investigators, and engaged in a conspiracy to cover the whole thing up. They have refused Congressional subpoenas and really any Congressional oversight with no ill effect. We now learn they are flat out destroying evidence of their crimes. They have kidnapped people whose citizenship is unknown and transported them across national boundaries to black torture prisons. They ignore laws and court rulings - although they have no difficult finding prosecutors and judges who accept their view of the world and the Constitution.

And that is just what we know about. What Rubicons do you see as being barriers?

So no, I don't think they would hesitate for a minute to drag a congressperson off to Gitmo. Limbaugh, Broder, and Joe Klein would be happy to cover for them.

Cranky

Jane Harman is and has been too old for public office for some time. She is incapable of thinking clearly.

"Constitutional niceties aren't to the point, the political realities of 2002 and 2003 are. Harmon might have survived the accusations in her district, but her party would have seen its reputation damaged."

Except that Democrats always fucking think like this. Today is never a good time to stand up for what you believe in. Tomorrow is always a better time, after the damage has been done. No wonder people think the Dems are a bunch of fucking pussies.

Remember when Santorum waved a classified document in front of a television camera? He never faced any legal problems, did he?

There comes a point in time where an overabundance of caution verges on cowardice. We're well past that point. Rockefeller, and to a certain extent Harmon, seem more concerned with keeping their jobs than doing what is right. Like-minded Democrats on Capitol Hill keep their knowledge of crimes and of the evidence of those crimes secret for years saying it's "classified." Meanwhile, senior CIA analysts display the courage to defy Cheney and risk jail time to force the release of an accurate Iran NIE.

I'd never thought I'd see the day when I'd trust unnamed CIA employees more than I do a Democratic Senator.

AF

The Democrats won control of both houses in 2006. We might ask ourselves how much less of the truth about torture and detention and deception would be known today if they had not. And whether without their control of the agenda they would be as well positioned as they are to increase their margins of control in 2008.

That's to say that winning is important. More important, maybe, than saying clearly what a fairly small fraction of even your own constituency believe.

Here's a real scandal that may be worth more attention than the supposed sins of Rockefeller and Harmon: one house of our Congress does not operate on the principle of majority rule. Minority rule is standard procedure. And the Democrats don't stoop to denounce this gross violation of fundamental norms of fairness and equality.

I already blogged Thursday that Harman and Rockefeller were incompetent at least, immoral at most, for not leaking from the start about this.

Why would anybody who really cares about civil liberties vote Democratic any more than Republican any more?

rockefeller, harman, the lot of them, have all abdicated their responsibility to the people and most gravely, the constitution of the united states. they are complicit in these crimes and the cover-up. they must be held accountable for the shame and degradation their actions and inactions have brought upon this country.

> The Democrats won control of both houses
> in 2006. We might ask ourselves how much
> less of the truth about torture and
> detention and deception would be known
> today if they had not.

I understand the point, but the flip side of that is the Bush/Cheney are simply not providing any information they deem unnecessary to Congress or anyone else. Which means that what we are seeing is just bones tossed out to keep the DC Villagers writing the "he said/she said" stories. I expect that all the evidence will be destroyed around November/December of 2008 and that all the key players will be given pre-emptive pardons before Bush leaves office.

Cranky

The first vote I ever cast was for Jay Rockefeller when he ran for governor of West Virginia. He had so much promise as a progressive. It's a shame what has become of him on the Intelligence Committee. He has been nothing but an enabler of the Neocons, even going so far as to championing immunity for telecoms for illegally eavesdropping on American citizens. He probably helped the CIA destroy the tapes. It's time for Jay to start sticking up for the Constitution a little.

Not to mention the fact that those members privileged to sit on the two Intelligence Committees in Congress are the eyes and ears for everyone else in Congress on all these classified matters that are withheld from the membership at large. They have an extra duty and burden to probe and to examine, to doublecheck, to ask skeptical questions and to insist on answers, because of the burden they carry on behalf of the rest of Congress and the country as a whole, as the sole overseers of our Intelligence Community's multi-billion-dollar-a-year secret activities.

I haven't seen this CQ report noted much at all, but there is a sudden, important opening on the House Intelligence Committee to be filled as of this week, due to the unexpected resignation on Tuesday of Democrat Alcee Hastings (who helped manage the floor debate for the leadership on both the Protect America Act and the RESTORE Act):

Democrat Alcee L. Hastings of Florida abruptly resigned from the House Intelligence Committee Tuesday, citing increased activities as chairman of the U.S. Helsinki Commission and his work on the Rules Committee.


[snip]

His resignation took top House Democratic leaders by surprise. Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer , D-Md., said he learned of Hastings’ move from reporters.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002635818

if this democratic controlled congress does not follow this up with the full investigatory powers they possess, I will never again support the democratic party, either financially or electorally. This is criminal.

We all seem to believe in the Unitary Executive

Wait. We're talking about the revelation by Congressmen of crimes as being "civil disobediance" because evidence of these crimes has been given a security classification by the perpetrators?

Look. Civil disobediance is a tool of the powerless, outsiders; people who have to act outside the boundaries of unjust laws because the system is rigged to give them no influence on shaping the laws, and no other way to achieve redress than to disobey laws imposed on them undemocratically by others.

If Congress is now in the position of Ghandi or MLK, then what is the imperial power, what race or class is oppressing the downtrodden, voiceless, masses in Congress?

This is flat out nuts. Congress, not the President, makes the laws. If it won't make the laws on classification of information such that it can itself, as a minimum, at least selectively override security classifications that its laws might allow the executive to make on a routine basis, then the whole damn nuthouse should just put itself in handcuffs, buy tickets to Guantanamo, and check itself into a prison of its own making. We are assured by Republican lawmakers that the accommodations are comparable to Club Med.

Not that it would even take any special provisions in the law to give full legal protection even in the case of an individual Congresscritter who was perhaps going against the will of the majority of his peers, as well as the administration, in revealing classified information. They have official immunity against prosecution over any information they reveal in debate in Congress. Oh, wait, how silly of me. That's just the Constitution that grants Congressional immunity, so of course we can't respect that. Executive Privilege, on the other hand, an idea which was just made up by the third Chief Executive, is sacrosanct. Vox presidentis, vox dei.

'gotta keep that powder dry!"

I really liked Jane Harmon; she always seemed so gutsy...what happened?? She must have lost sleep over this; she doesn't strike me as someone who would go along with torture. I think 9/11 shocked so many of us; we lost faith in ourselves and our country. There are so many people in this administration and congress who were and are complicit of war crimes that Jane is way down on that list.


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