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The Duty to Prevent Revisited

28 Dec 2007 11:20 am

Some time ago, I wrote an op-ed which noted that "Lee Feinstein, a former deputy director of the policy planning staff at the State Department and now Clinton's top national security staffer, wrote in the January/February 2004 issue of Foreign Affairs that 'the biggest problem with the Bush preemption strategy may be that it does not go far enough.'" The article, which can be found here, was cowritten with Anne-Marie Slaughter who objected to the way I used that quotation and my general construal of her piece. Since the same clause from the Foreign Affairs article then wound up in a Frank Rich column I thought it'd be best to get in tough with Professor Slaughter and clarify her views rather than debate the quote and its context. She's written back (speaking for herself):

I would not rule out unilateral action under any circumstances; a nation that had chosen to try unilaterally to stop the genocide in Rwanda in the face of both global and regional inaction would be hard to condemn. Similarly, it is imaginable that the United States or any other nation could conclude that it had absolutely no choice but to use force to defend its vital interests. But the entire point of our article was to minimize the likelihood of either of these situations ever occuring by embracing doctrines in the humanitarian and the non-proliferation area that would spur non-military collective action early in the game and would ensure global or at least regional authorization of force if it came to that. It is worth remembering that Kofi Annan himself told the General Assembly in September 2003, after the invasion of Iraq: β€œβ€œIt is not enough to denounce unilateralism, unless we also face up squarely to the concerns that make some States feel uniquely vulnerable, since it is those concerns that drive them to take unilateral action. We must show that those concerns can, and will, be addressed effectively through collective action.” Lee and I had been running a roundtable for the American Society of International Law and the Council on Foreign Relations called "Old Rules, New Threats" for several years before the invasion of Iraq; this article was the outgrowth of a lot of that thinking.

As far as the desirability of collective action, almost certainly short of force, to check nuclear proliferation I'm in complete agreement. I also should say that I definitely agree that "the United States or any other nation could conclude that it had absolutely no choice but to use force to defend its vital interests." This, though, is one of those cases where I think the phrase "vital interests" obscures more than it reveals. Unilateral force to secure vital interests? Sure. But which interests are the vital ones? The UN Charter recognizes the inherent right of a state to act in self-defense. If Hungary starts launching air strikes on Ukraine tomorrow, no number of Security Council vetoes change the fact that it's legitimate for Ukraine to fight back. Similarly, the Charter recognizes a right to collective self-defense. If a country is attacked somewhere, the United States is within our rights to come to that country's assistance. And, indeed, we're arguably obliged to come to their assistance.

Slaughter's proposal is that we should try to develop new international legal norms that would strengthen collective commitments to non-proliferation rules (no disagreement from me) but also legitimate unilateral action in certain case to pursue non-proliferation goals. My strong guess is that if pursued in good faith this project is just going to prove unworkable. One doesn't want to see a new interpretation of international law gain strength that would legitimize an Arab League preventive attack on Israel and its nuclear program. Nor would one want to see a unilateral Indian assault on Pakistan.

If you go back and read the original Foreign Affairs article, the authors seem to be aware of this problem and include language designed to make sure that those cases aren't covered. Which is good. But it's also, I suspect, too transparent. The international community isn't going to accept a new principle of international law that's very narrowly tailored to US policy priorities. But the US doesn't actually want to unleash unilateral preventive war as a major force in the world in general, it's only a tool we would want to have under narrowly tailored rules or else (as in the Bush doctrine) as a straightforward matter of double-standards.

That said, understood the way Slaughter lays it out in the blockquote above, I'm not sure there'd be any harm in trying to explore the possibilities in this direction and negotiation and dialogue on this general issue should, if pursued in good faith (an important proviso), generate something useful on the international scene.

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oh please, please, please review the gold berg book, ygsy.

Odd that Slaughter would refer to the Kofi Annan quote about unilateralism being the refuge of states that "feel uniquely vulnerable." In what possible universe would that include the United States? Thus all she is left with, at least in the case of the U.S., is "vital interests," which, as Atrios points out, is basically a blank slate, and hardly reflects the same urgency as "unique vulnerability."

In what possible universe would that include the United States?

We need to stick these peoples heads on pikes.

You concede way to much. We have more to fear from this line of thought than the more nakedly brutal explicit hegemonism of a Cheney (for example). In the long run (if we make it to the long run), support for the Cheney approach is limited. But cloak it in the seductive bullshit humanitarianism of a Slaughter, and you are on a sure road to armegeddon.

The reasons for this are legion, but you can start with "pursued in good faith," a huge oxymoron in that context.

and these people refer to Slaughter and Feinstein.

I wish people would make a distinction between "vital" and "legitimate" interests. We might plausibly be thought to have a vital interest (in some sense) in having middle eastern oil flow to the US. It would really hurt our economy and weaken us if there was another OPEC embargo, for example. But our interest in the oil of other countries isn't a _legitimate_ interest in the sense used in political philosophy since we have no _right_ to it- even though it would hurt us to not get it, we'd have no right to take it by force. Contrast this with the case where a river that is a major source of clean water flows from one country to another- here the second country arguably has not only a vital interest but also a legitimate interest in the water, so that force could perhaps be justified if the first country blocked the flow. It's a pretty elementary distinction, but one that is very rarely made by the international relations crowed, in part because they still cling to 'realism' that rejects the idea that any interests could be "legitimate". But that's clearly wrong and should be rejected.

Ed,

Truer words were never spoken.

And by limited long run support for the Cheney approach, I mean PUBLIC support. Despite our imperfect democracy, public support is necessary in the long run for the imperial project. You won't (again in the long run) get more than, say, 1/3 public support for the naked brutality of a Cheney. But add in a sprinkling of the "kinder, gentler hegmony" of a Slaughter, add in a pinch of fear mongering, and a large dose of unexamined assumptions carrying over from the cold war, and there you have it - overwelming public support for the imperial project.

I doubt we will ever change the minds of the sick murderers like Al, Fred, and Chris Ford, who revel in blood and destruction; it's not even worth engaging them. Which means the battle for our nation's soul needs to be fought against people like Slaughter, perhaps well meaning, without whose support the Cheney monsters would lose support for their criminal ventures.

Vital interests are obviously what the Petro Gun club in power in D.C. needs at any time.

I'm with Ed.

I had my say on Slaughter when she did the article.

And my opinion hasn't changed....Slaughter is still full of s***.
Although it is amusing the many ways the Slaughters package their crapola to sell it.

Incoherent disingenuous abounds:

..."pursued in good faith," a huge oxymoron in that context.

Additionally, a limited and specific exception for the use of unilateral force is advocated only when defending (tautologically defined) "vital US interests".

BTW, this reminds me of a great bumper sticker
Preventative defense is an oxymoron
George Bush is a regular moron

I think the public/media impact of the Slaughter writings (apt name!) remind me of that Far Side Cartoon on what Fido hears in a long-winded moral lecture by his owner:

Blah...blah...blah...blah...Let's Bomb 'Em!...blah...blah...blah...Bombs Away!...blah...blah...blah...blah...

Ann Marie-Slaughter was pretty much exposed as a hollow vacuous thinker by none other than Steven Colbert.She came on his show and it was soon clear that she had nothing of substance behind her Bush critique.
Vacuous - she pretty much summed up her criticism of Bush (this is from memory) by pretending to be shocked by incompetence (as if she had no idea that he was actually in office) and by making stylistic complaints about Bush the cowboy.

No mattter how stoned, no one can claim America fits under the "uniquely vulnerable" category hat Kofi referred to.

Also, when a self styled liberal says " ... It is worth remembering that Kofi Annan himself ...," she is really telling voters that she does not really care what they think. Because that's the kind of rhetoric that Republicans find very useful.

What kind of leader cares what Kofi thinks if Kofi is not useful to what they want? None.
Also - if Clinton had prevented the Rawanda genocide, no one would give him credit - because what happened in actuality would have been hard to imagine. Besides - most of these people who claim to care about genocide are less than sincere, as any Armenian could tell you.

The U.S., as the world's dominant military power, ought to be concerned about provoking the emergence of a rival.

Therefore, a sensible policy would be to accept considerable constraints on its own use of its military power, constraints such as committing to never act unilaterally, except in immediate self-defense.

All of this talk about never renouncing unilateralism or self-defense is just an elaborate way of skirting all of the compelling reasons for the U.S. to commit itself to acting only through established multilateral institutions and the U.N.

If the U.S. makes clear that its overwhelming military power is not an uncontrolled, unpredictable threat to the great majority of powers, then other great powers will not feel they face the necessity of building up countervailing military power, acquiring nuclear weapons capabilities, etc. And, if the U.S. makes its great military power available, on occasion, to multilateral coalitions, which wish to address genuine problems, that removes a second motivation for a great power investing heavily in military capability.

Anne-Marie Slaughter, however, does not want to engage thinking along these lines. She wants to avoid it altogether. Thus, her convoluted rhetoric and use of empty terms, like vital interests.

The foreign policy establishment are a bunch of corrupt fools.

[a nation that had chosen to try unilaterally to stop the genocide in Rwanda in the face of both global and regional inaction would be hard to condemn]

Actually, one nation (France) did choose to try unilaterally to stop the genocide in Rwanda, and it was not hard to condemn them, because the way in which they tried (Operation Turquoise) was carried out appallingly badly and in a manner that seemed to have more to do with French geopolitical interests than humanitarian goals. Of course, being a liberal interventionist means that you get to ignore mistakes, so it is still possible to pretend that Rwanda is a data point for their side.

Here's some emptiness in action from Slaughter:
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In it we did indeed write, as Yglesias quotes, that "the biggest problem with the Bush preemption strategy may be that it does not go far enough." But Yglesias employs the journalistically unprofessional tactic of quoting only part of a sentence. The full context for that quote is the following passage:

"Addressing [the danger of "a brutal ruler acquiring nuclear weapons or weapons of mass destruction"] requires a different strategy, one that maximizes the chances of early and effective collective action. In this regard, and in comparison to the changes that are taking place in the area of intervention for humanitarian protection purposes, the biggest problem with the Bush preemption strategy may be that it does not go far enough." - The phrases I have italicized go to the core of our argument.
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Slaughter is politically experienced enough to know that the italicized phrases - were precisely the ones that would not be attention getters - She can call them the core, but Bush & Co. could point to her defense of the principle of unilateralism and Bush would win the argument with most voters and most pundits.

Sending soldiers in unilateral missions for alleged humanitarian reasons is a position popular only with small sectors of the academic and NGO community. It is not popular with voters.

She calls Matts use of part of her quote as "journalistically unprofessional." But she knows it was just common sense - She is being insincere. She wrote those lines in her orginal article for a reason. Ignore the humanitarian window dressing. Nations go to war for perceived interests - not to make nice with Kofi & co.

If Iraq was a success, does anyone doubt that Slaughter would claim credit for supporting Bush's manly use of force - Maybe she would have scored him for relying too much on allies like Blair. Who knows.?

re possible Rawanda mission - Think about Clinton trying to explain to voters why soldiers had to die in Rawanda to prevent a genocide (that did not yet happen and would have been unbelievable).

Think about Iraq - a nation with an enemy dictator, 5 trillion in oil reserves, a religion unpopular with many voters, and a history of enmity - But even with all that, Bush and Cheney still felt it necessary to tell lies about wmd in order gain support for war. Even with all that, it was only popular for a while, when it looked cheap and easy and popular.

A Rawanda intervention could have gone wrong and no one would have believed Clinton's reasons.

Slaughter knows all this.

"It is not popular with voters."


A bold assertion. How do you know? Are you a pollster?


Why do Americans seem to vacillate between the two extremes of excessively fearful and selfish apathy and immoderate and selfish aggressive activism? Acting like Kitty Genovese's neighbors in 1964 NYC on the one hand, never lifting a finger to save her as they watched and listened to her being brutally attacked for almost an hour, and breaking down some poor guy's door to get at what they want on the other.

Why did President Bush brag about elections in Afganistan with special signage for Afgans illiterate voters, while simulataneously letting New Orleans residents (29 perecent illiterate - could not read warning leaflets) fend for themselves as their city drowned?

I think the phrase "vital interests" obscures more than it reveals

The hidden object in question being "oil."

Vital means you cannot live without it - We only get a small percentage of oil from the Middle East - But Europe and Japan and China etc get lots of it from there. So we are really protecting world oil supplies more than American oil supplies. Sure one affects the other, directly and indirectly. But there is also a disturbing mercenary factor - Since if we did not secure the oil, the Europeans would. They would have to. They would create armies and navies to do what we do for them.

I would not rule out unilateral action under any circumstances

That's one of those straw man lines that hawks love to use. None of the major contenders running for president and few Americans on the left or the right rule out unilateral action "under any circumstances".

What the line translates to in practice is "I demand war now and the rest of you can either follow or get out of the way."

Matt - We might plausibly be thought to have a vital interest (in some sense) in having middle eastern oil flow to the US. It would really hurt our economy and weaken us if there was another OPEC embargo, for example. But our interest in the oil of other countries isn't a _legitimate_ interest in the sense used in political philosophy since we have no _right_ to it- even though it would hurt us to not get it, we'd have no right to take it by force.

The thinking Matt has is flawed. Mostly on the premise that if a resource is owned by another there is no legitimate right to it, even if a hostile conspiracy exists to harm a group or nation by selectively with holding that resource while freely providing it to the parties they are not waging economic war with.

Nations have established there is legitimate right under current human rights principles to resources without discrimination - banks with money of course are free to not lend it to all the people, but it is unacceptable to selectively target blacks for redlining. Similarly, treaties consider the selective targeting of nations for sanctions, embargos, naval blockades to prevent them from getting strategic, vital materials while selling to others without such hostile action as legitimate causes of war.

Thus if the US, Canada, Russia, and South Africa decided to form a cabal of strategic metals they alone have global deposits of and sell to Europe, but not Asia in hopes of destroying Asia's future - it is not a case of Asians then sitting around saying "well, its all THEIR metal, all the niobium, tantalum, hafnium - and we have no recourse but do as they wish because we have no legitimate basis to demand supply in an open market...

Same argument Lefties and pacifists do with oil. "It is THEIR oil. If they elect to sell to everyone but the USA and Israel in order to destroy us, we have no legitimate cause for war. Because it is theirs to decide..."

Of course we do have a right to intervene rather than be destroyed by economic warfare!

So in Slaughter's piece, add unacceptable economic warfare, along with a WMD threat, genocide, and actual attack as reasons we can and should intervene.
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Bruce Wilder sees nations becoming threats unless we tether ourselves to the UN and the Euroweenie/Jewish Transnationalist lawyers concept of rule through unelected post-national lawyers and ministers in Brussels..

Therefore, a sensible policy would be to accept considerable constraints on its own use of its military power, constraints such as committing to never act unilaterally, except in immediate self-defense.

Which, unfortunately for Wilder, is the exact problem Slaughter has identified. Considerable constraints mean bleating human rights activists standing around with their thumbs up their asses in Europe and blue state campuses demanding their great Moral God Kofi convene the supreme Moral Authority of the UN to stop the Rwandan slaughter or do something about NORK atomic bombs or Oil For Food....only to watch some power veto it or corrupt UN bureaucrats totally fuck it up - all so the bleaters can walk away from the mess proud of themselves that "they howled and protested and did something" that achieved a bold Kofi statement double-deploring the half million butchered...

Slaughter's central thesis is that institutions put in place post-WWII have shown great weakness and failed to work in most cases and it is time to consider creating better ones than the UN structure, an ICC Court that fails to deter crimes against humanity, and a Geneva Convention now construed by "the International Leftist Lawyer Community" as protecting terrorist-style warfare.

Of course we do have a right to intervene rather than be destroyed by economic warfare!

Chris Ford, or Saddam Hussein on the eve of invading Kuwait?

Slaughter is a disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, and intellectually cowardly individual.

That's clear from just about everything she's written and her behavior over at TPM.

My opinion remains as follows: The US should NEVER engage in military action against ANYONE unless the continental US or US possessions or US citizens and businesses legally present in other parts of the world are directly threatened with physical force (and I don't mean being asked to leave the country, I mean attacked.) And even then, US military involvement should be limited to whatever is absolutely necessary to rescue US civilians or otherwise accomplish the mission - which means even if the US has to take down a country, that means no "nation building" other than humanitarian needs demand (in other words, no Iraq cra - stabilize to the minimum necessary and leave.)

I could I suppose imagine a situation where a crisis could arise somewhere that the UN considers enough of a crisis, and at least one of the parties involved is a sufficiently military heavyweight, that the US military would be required to resolve the crisis. As long as the UN and the bulk of the international community - including most of the nations in the region involved outside of the conflict parties - agreed that was the situation, it might be acceptable for the US to respond.

Kuwait did not qualify. Korea did not qualify. Vietnam did not qualify. Iraq did not qualify.

No other US military operation in the last half century that I can remember off the top of my head qualifies.

WWII might qualify given that people were too stupid to knock off Hitler long before he became a problem. And the US pretty much "forced" Japan to attack us, to get us into the war on the Allies side, so that explains that side of WWII.

Basically, once again, George Washington's advice is the soundest: no entanglements, deal fairly commercially.

The US hasn't done either of those for, oh, the last 100-150 years. Big surprise.

" ... And my opinion hasn't changed....Slaughter is still full of s***.
Although it is amusing the many ways the Slaughters package their crapola to sell it.

Posted by Cal"

And this Cal agrees with that Cal.

Reading Slaughter's statement is almost funny, in part, because so many perfidious examples in history fit her criteria for legitimacy.

We still have a foreign policy community that doesn't get it and can't think straight.

"Of course we do have a right to intervene rather than be destroyed by economic warfare!

Chris Ford"

So Chris, when we withheld helium from Germany during the great airship era it was OK for Germany to do what to us?

One doesn't want to see a new interpretation of international law gain strength that would legitimize an Arab League preventive attack on Israel and its nuclear program. Nor would one want to see a unilateral Indian assault on Pakistan.

The impressive thing about Matt Yglesias is that his thinking does change in response to comments. In today's post MY is rejecting not just A-M Slaughter's position but his own argument for regional security institutions put forward last year under the rather dramatic title "The Long-Awaited Yglesias Doctrine"

http://www.matthewyglesias.com/archives/2007/02/the_long_awaited_yglesias_doct/

And scroll down for comments by otto, Matt Yglesias himself (a rare instance of MY getting in the mud with the commenters), brendan, Ed Marshall etc.

"Anne-Marie Slaughter, dean of the Woodrow Wilson School, and William Burke-White, a lecturer of public and international affairs, developed ''So You Want to be Secretary of State: How U.S. Secretaries of State View the World'' to introduce students to American foreign policy through the writings of those who have served in the office."


http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pwb/04/1101/6a.shtml

I heartily applaud Matt's decision to climb down from his earlier criticism of Slaughter and Feinstein's original article and to start focusing on the substance of their proposals.

That's much more useful than rehashing the Frank Rich approach of creating fake criticisms that stem from a single, out of context quotation.

Matt is wise to start reckoning with the complexities of international law and pose questions about whether the concept that Slaughter and Feinstein laid out in their article is going to be workable.

I only wish that the political debate about these issues on these pages (or for that matter, during the Democratic primaries) could adhere to this standard of inquiry, instead of simple name-calling, hate-mongering, and demagoguing.

As the simmering crisis in Pakistan demonstrates, there are few easy ways for countries like the US to deal with the risks of WMD proliferation, religious extremism, and regional instability. It's a disservice to all of the candidates to pretend that there is any silver-bullet solution available.

Instead of tearing thinkers like Slaughter and Feinstein down for trying to innovate new ways of dealing with these problems, we should be giving their ideas a fair hearing and leave it to the GOP attack dogs to spread the Big Lie.


"As the simmering crisis in Pakistan demonstrates, there are few easy ways for countries like the US to deal with the risks of WMD proliferation, religious extremism, and regional instability. It's a disservice to all of the candidates to pretend that there is any silver-bullet solution available."

This presumes the US NEEDS to deal with such issues, and that is the heart of the bad arguments Slaughter uses.

Also, there isn't any evidence Slaughter is "innovating" anything, given that she's a shill for the "Truman Democrats" - which means she's basing her foreign policy on somebody who was President in the late 1940's.

Your post is without content, which is exactly what you accuse Slaughter's critics of doing.


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