Mike Huckabee comes out in favor of removing Palestinians from Palestine and establishing a Palestinian state somewhere else. Maybe Egypt or Saudi Arabia. A play to pick up some of Giuliani's supporters? The sentiments are outrageous on their own terms, and also a stark reminder that Israel's real friends in the United States shouldn't be blind to the dangers posed by the irrealism and extremism of the Christian Zionists.
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Huckabee and Transfer
08 Jan 2008 05:24 pm
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That's "Huckabee and Ethnic Expulsion".
The use of the phrase transfer has always been a euphemism by those - of whom there are many in Israel - who want to keep the option in play.
No biggie - I'm sure Egypt and Saudi will welcome them with open arms. There's nothing countries love more than an influx of five million refugees.
People are acting like this isn't a big idea thats mouthed off on talk radio. This is a mainstream Republican idea.
Ah, but Jason, you forget that Palestinians cannot be refugees -- they're always "so-called refugees".
Sounds like the initial plan one German leader of the last century had for an ethnic group in his country.
And, more details, please! Where will the Palestinians be put? In camps? If not, whose houses will they live in? Whose land will they take? Will they be compensated for the loss of property they have now? How will they be transported? Railroad boxcar? Forced march? How many Palestinians are there anyway? Why don't we let them immigrate here?
I expect an alert press corps immediately to get Mr. Huckabee's answers to these questions (Hah!).
Sounds like the initial plan one German leader of the last century had for an ethnic group in his country.
And, more details, please! Where will the Palestinians be put? In camps? If not, whose houses will they live in? Whose land will they take? Will they be compensated for the loss of property they have now? How will they be transported? Railroad boxcar? Forced march? How many Palestinians are there anyway? Why don't we let them immigrate here?
I expect an alert press corps immediately to get Mr. Huckabee's answers to these questions (Hah!).
Looks like the Huckster's trying to steal Pat Robertson's clique from Rudy!'s camp. That's darned rude.
Oops, my bad. Robertson endorsed Rudy! in November, Huckabee made the above statements last October.
Sorry about that -- browser gagged.
Why not? The Germans were expelled from Pomerania, Silesia, and the Sudetenland.
One wonders what would have happened if the Allies had decided to create a Jewish homeland in Germany.
I thought his plan was that they should live on Chuck Norris.
If you click through the links, you'll see that he came out in favor of it in...October, in a confab with some Orthodox Jews in New Hampshire, before anyone was paying attention to him nationally. He was playing to the room, not to anyone else. Not that I'm defending him for saying it, of course (my thoughts on that are in the Prospect thread), but could people maybe check links to make sure that they make chronological sense before opining on the why/what/who of whatever's being said?
Why not? The Germans were expelled from Pomerania, Silesia, and the Sudetenland. - SamChevre
And that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the post-WWII era population transfers. To act like what happened to the Palestinians then was something so outrageous (well, other than the way the refugees were then treated by the Arab occupiers of the West Bank and Gaza Strip) really evidences a double standard redolent of anti-Semitism.
OTOH, should there be further transfers of Palestinian populations? Maybe here and there to help produce viable borders for a Palestinian state (and maybe some Israeli settlers would have to be transferred as well) ... but what would the difference between that and, say, transferring people to build a bridge or some such public work be? Of course, anything beyond that at this point would be a bit much.
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Sounds like the initial plan one German leader of the last century had for an ethnic group in his country. - David in NY
Nu? If that is all Hitler had wanted to do, then if Israel would have existed then (and had enough room for all the Jewish refugees) the Holocaust would have been prevented. Of course, where would the Palestinians have gone to make room for Jewish refugees? I dunno ... still, seems to me bringing this argument up only serves to re-enforce certain Zionist narratives (which is why certain anti-Zionists in the Arab world are so keen to try to discredit the Holocaust: of course if Zionists didn't try to "credit" the Holocaust for political purposes, then anti-Zionists wouldn't be trying to discredit it for same ... so here, I would say the Zionsists started it, even if in general I have a "pox on both of your houses" attitude to the "he started it"/"I was here first" mentality that fuels the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that used to be the Arab/Israeli conflict ...).
Quietus, one sort-of wonders what would have happened if Jews had been given back what we had in Poland before the war (about a quarter of the residents of Poland's major cities were Jewish; see Warsaw or Krakow), rather than displacing Germans who didn't want to move to install Jews who didn't want to stay.
Of course, after the war almost all the Polish Jews were dead, and those who attempted to go back were not infrequently killed by their neighbors.
Quietus, one sort-of wonders what would have happened if Jews had been given back what we had in Poland before the war (about a quarter of the residents of Poland's major cities were Jewish; see Warsaw or Krakow), rather than displacing Germans who didn't want to move to install Jews who didn't want to stay.
Of course, after the war almost all the Polish Jews were dead, and those who attempted to go back were not infrequently killed by their neighbors.
Honestly, Huckabee is so ignorant that I doubt even knows what transfer means. He probably doesn't know where Egypt & Saudi Arabia are located in relation to Israel/Palestine.
"Israel's real friends in the United States shouldn't be blind to the dangers posed by the irrealism and extremism of the Christian Zionists."
Huh? Removing the Palestinians from the so-called Holy Land would be bad for Israel??
My long standing Noble Prize eligible proposal has all peoples being removed from that unhappy land in order for it to rest and reconstitute. Plenty of favorable empty spaces elsewhere.
Apologies for the double post. I don't think I pressed the submit button twice.
Okay, if that's a legitimate Republican idea, here's a legitimate idea of the opposite sort:
Move the Israeli Jews to New York - or maybe Texas (lots more room there.)
Bingo! Problem solved!
How does a fucking moron like Huckabee get to be a Presidential nominee?
Because at least thirty percent of the US population are fucking morons, that's how.
BTW, where's SLC? He should be in here advocating exterminating all the Palestinians rather than spending the money "transferring" them.
I don't have a problem giving them Wyoming. It's not like we're using it.
Where will the Palestinians be put? In camps? If not, whose houses will they live in?
Last time I checked, most of the Christians in the region were Palestinians. Of course, for fans of John Hagee, they're a real fucking inconvenience.
It never ceases to amaze me how many commenters on MY.com support ethnic cleansing.
I had a crazy idea like this once but quickly realized it was obscene in many ways.
The plan..
- Buy Cyprus in an Alaska/Louisiana Purchase type deal (say $100 billion US)
- Give it to the Palestinians
- Make Palestine circa 1967 borders a UN-run park promoting religious tolerance
- Live happily ever after!
I quickly realized that A) the Palestinians would want Israel to take Cyprus instead of them and B) Cypriots might not be onboard. Before I realized how stupid it was I shared this plan with somebody I respect. Their polite response? "Uhh..that's interesting."
otto, you're just making crap up. Most of what's above is snark, and the only comment appearing to possibly actually support ethnic cleansing is the one comment from SamChevre, which isn't even a handle I remember seeing in Yglesias's threads before.
Better trolls, please
To act like what happened to the Palestinians then was something so outrageous . . . really evidences a double standard redolent of anti-Semitism.
You know, mass murder is no bfd--there have been plenty of mass murderers throughout history--so to single out Charles Manson or Richard Dahmer for criticism is simply anti-American.
You know, mass murder is no bfd--there have been plenty of mass murderers throughout history--so to single out Charles Manson or Richard Dahmer for criticism is simply anti-American. - rea
Yeah, but most people view mass murder as a bfd no matter. Good liberal people criticize what happened to the Palestinians yet come up with excuses as to why other ethnic transfers were not bfds. Nu? That's a double standard.
C'mon, people, Huck is an evangelist. A real one, not a fake Texas politician who mastered the dog whistles so that he could count on their vote. These people believe the establishment of Israel is proceeding according to the Book of Revelations. The "pro-Israel" idiots, none of whom seem able to keep reading past the opening chapter, seem not to understand that the good Book goes on to describe the destruction of Israel by war, the killing of two-thirds of the Jews (the remaining third convert) and the coming of the Antichrist. Huck and the millions of rural Americans who vote for him literally believe this.
The "pro-Israel" idiots, none of whom seem able to keep reading past the opening chapter, seem not to understand that the good Book goes on to describe the destruction of Israel by war, the killing of two-thirds of the Jews (the remaining third convert) and the coming of the Antichrist.
I'm a lot less worried by Christians who think that this will happen than by Arab Muslims actually trying to make it happen.
"the good Book goes on to describe the destruction of Israel by war, the killing of two-thirds of the Jews (the remaining third convert) and the coming of the Antichrist."
I'm up for all that, as long as I get the Antichrist position.
Trust me, I will kick Jesus ass in the final confrontation. Even if they send in what the Church of the Subgenius calls "The Fightin' Jesus".
The funny thing is that if there WAS a REAL Jesus - he would be a massively fanatical Jew and would probably slaughter most of the Christians in the world in a heartbeat for persecuting his own people in his name for two thousand years.
So, yeah - bring it on!
BTW, Fuzzy Face, there are far more Christians trying to make it happen than Muslims - because Muslims don't believe in that crap. Muslims also don't have the technology to do it.
"Yeah, but most people view mass murder as a bfd no matter. Good liberal people criticize what happened to the Palestinians yet come up with excuses as to why other ethnic transfers were not bfds. Nu? That's a double standard."
I'm sorry, what are these other "ethnic transfers" that you seem to think liberals are okie dokie with? Cuz, I can't think of any.
Isn't there a lot of ethnic (well, religious-orientation) cleansing going on in Iraq at the moment, gerontion?
Re: The funny thing is that if there WAS a REAL Jesus - he would be a massively fanatical Jew
I roll my eyes whenever I hear this "Jesus was a Jew" politically correct business. To say that Jesus was a Jew is to overemphasize His humanity at the expense of His divinity. He wasn't a Jew, a Buddhist, a white man, a black man, or anything else. He was _God_ and therefore had no reason to worship any being other than another aspect of Himself.
Moreover, Jesus had some exceptional harsh language for the Jewish authorities of his day. I doubt that He who referred to the Jewish authorities as 'ye brood of vipers' would have much desire to consider himself part of the Jewish religion.
The link isn't working for me. Can someone repost?
The link isn't working for me. Can someone repost?
Hector-- Jesus said negative stuff about the leadership of the Pharisees. That was a small group of Jews, not all Jewish authorities or the whole Jewish religion.
I doubt that He who referred to the Jewish authorities as 'ye brood of vipers' would have much desire to consider himself part of the Jewish religion.
Really, Hector?
Then why was he practicing Judaism? For the chicks?
Funny, the people who object to calling Jesus Jewish usually don't object to His being described as male.
MFB, I don't remember anyone on the left describing Sunni-on-Shi'a violence as no big deal. In fact, we're often the only Americans paying attention to it at all. For John McCain's followers and their ilk, it just means "the surge is working" or something.
Matt! I'm interested in this story, but the Jpost site isn't up any more.
Did anyone get a google cache?
Otherwise, all we have on this is one reporter for...The Yeshiva World News???
For a Jew to bring Poland? What a surprise! For almost 60 years they were happy to be back in Israel and after EU admission many of them "suddenly" miss "their" homeland! After years of dirty PR in the press, movies and publications the Jews are asking for "their" property! Give what belongs to Palestinias back first! As to Poles not helping Jews, do your research on Yad Vashem and find out which "non-believers" saved the most Jews! Warren Terra don't be so ignorant! Read and learn or shut up!
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Yeesh, you'd think that after winning Iowa, he'd be able to hire someone sober to stop him from making an ass of himself. What's next? Hydrogen filled dirigibles for transportation? New Coke?
Posted by southpaw | January 8, 2008 5:33 PM