« Big Speech | Main | Obama's Speech » K-Lo's Take26 Jan 2008 09:26 pm The Obama Temptation [Kathryn Jean Lopez] There is, however, a less charismatic Democratic alternative who does think the war should have been authorized. Comments (45)
The big endorsement was Caroline Kennedy not Gore. But Gore's still out there. As they say, don't stop thinking about tomorrow... 
There is, however, a less charismatic Democratic alternative who does think the war should have been authorized. I'm sure if you were to tell K-Lo that Obama voted almost exactly identical to the less charismatic Democratic alternative, she would feel better about him.
I'm sure if you were to tell K-Lo that Obama voted almost exactly identical to the less charismatic Democratic alternative, she would feel better about him. Except that K-Lo mentioned the issue that most divides them, which (by the way) is the single most pressing issue facing the American political apparatus today.
Dan the Man, I don't recall Obama voting for the war in the first place...just as I don't recall Hillary having any substantive position in the White House...except for healthcare, of course, which she screwed up royally...
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(1) He was accepted into Columbia and Harvard because of affirmative action (not academic merit) (2) His black nationalist church in Chicago has called for the execution of all white people. Need I say more? I'm not even going to mention his proclivity for raping white women.
There is, however, a less charismatic Democratic alternative who does think the war should have been authorized. And the Freeper kryptonite McCain is bashing K-Lo's beloved Mitten for not wanting to be in Iraq till 2108.
as a Clintonista, i have to say: touché, Matt. toufuckingché
"There is, however, a less charismatic Democratic alternative who does think the war should have been authorized." At least according to the current story, the authorization was for purposes of diplomacy, not war. So you're not being truthful here in terms of the choices she's got.
People forget that it was Clinton's ability to speak and make connections to people through his words that drove his popularity. So it has always been with politicians. Bush cannot speak with any coherence at all much less forge a connection with people. Little wonder his popularity is just above Jeff Dahmer territory. So Obama's rhetorical talents cannot be discounted as major factors in his electability or more importantly perhaps, his ability to hold office and be effective. For 8 years the slime machine fired away at Clinton and he went out popular. If he was a bland dunderheaded speaker like either Bush he might have been impeached successfully to the cheers of millions in the streets.
Apparently, K-Lo's not the only one to feel that way. Note that total South Carolina primary numbers were about 450,000 for the Republicans and 550,000 for the Democrats. Obama by himself got about 300,000 votes. So Democrats outnumbered Republicans in SOUTH CAROLINA??? You gotta love that.
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K-Lo's not your average Republican voter, though. She lives in an urban area, grew up in the North, probably doesn't feel that she's let the Lord down by not killing a gay person already, etc.
Come now, Tim. That's not fair. I think we both know K-Lo is perfectly average.
Um, can the Obama troll a couple of posts up be banned?
"Um, can the Obama troll a couple of posts up be banned?" I assumed "Liz Matheson" was just Hillary's online handle.
"(2) His black nationalist church in Chicago has called for the execution of all white people." Totally true. He's also a Muslim.
Obama is definitely great at orating things that others have written, but I don't think he'll look too good if I ever get a chance to cross-examine him.
When I was in the FBI I used to stake out Militant Black Muslim Churches in Chicago. It was during the Clinton years, of course, so official policy was not to discourage terrorism in any way because we might hurt their terrorist feelings, but just for fun. Anyway, it was a deeply confusing experience. I'm a highly trained investigator, an expert at establishing motives, but I couldn't tell if they wanted to kill whitey for Allah or for Jesus.
I don't think he'll look too good if I ever get a chance to cross-examine him. Alas, Obama isn't likely to hold a town-hall meeting under Wacko Kelly's bed, and the most obsessive blogwhore on the internets is too afraid of Teh Brown Menace to go outside.
I wouldn't attach much significance to Ms. K-LO utterances and preferences. On the other hand, both MY and K-Lo share a weakness for Mitt-man.
Well, I wasn't sure about Obama, but that settles it....Democrats would be fools not to prefer the candidate endorsed by National Review, which clearly has a strong interest in helping us select the candidate that will be hardest for the Republicans to beat.
Obama is definitely great at orating things that others have written, but I don't think he'll look too good if I ever get a chance to cross-examine him. It's striking -- now that loony racist Tom Tancredo is no longer spraying spittle onto the TV screens of our great nation, no one seems to give a rat's ass about the ginormous immigration 'crisis' anymore. It's almost as though it was nothing but a phony, ginned-up issue the GOP aimed at some of the nuttier segments of our society in hopes of somehow hanging on to Congress in 2006. Odd, that.
I see, lc. K-Lo praised Obama to her conservative colleagues on a blog whose principal audience is loyal republicans in the hope that some gullible liberal might happen to link to it, all as part of a devilish plan to sandbag the Dems in the general election. Brilliant.
Yes!!! Yglesias is back on the bandwagon.
Liz and Dan, That sound you heard tonight? That was the sound of your slimy, hateful, divisive politics gasping for its very last breath. Peddle your trash somewhere else. You can always join the Republicans -- you'd both fit right in.
Gabe Addonimo wrote: "That was the sound of your slimy, hateful, divisive politics gasping for its very last breath. Peddle your trash somewhere else." Are you a parody or are you for real? I think I read your post on Daily Kos already.
Speaking of NRO, I just witnessed something pretty...pathetic. NRO linked to a blog post by ABC's Jake Tapper on Clinton's "Jesse Jackson" remarks. It may have also been linked to from other right-wing blogs. Well, pretty quickly that blog post was mobbed with the most disgusting, racist comments you can imagine, like "Send them all back to Africa," "Don't vote for the n*gger," "He's a musilm!" on and on. After a short time, ABC tried to start deleting the comments, but could no longer keep up and took his entire blog down. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch I think they just got figured out the importance of comment moderation whenever the right-wing blogs start linking to you.
Boy, those Republicans sure do love them some Obama! Bill Kristol, K-Lo, others from the National Review...what could they all be thinking?
Cuz I totally thought she was kidding.
MQ, I think it's simple. More educated people tend to like Obama. This is true across party lines. the conservative press is well-educated. They lean towards Obama, who comes across as more coherent and principled. The bottom line: if every voter in this country had a college education, Obama would win in a landslide.
Jim- You totally right man. And it puts it all in perspective. The Clintons can't even hold a candle to conservatives when it comes to making up vicious BS rumors about a political enemy.
"At least according to the current story, the authorization was for purposes of diplomacy, not war. So you're not being truthful here in terms of the choices she's got. Posted by Rid | January 26, 2008 10:04 PM" Oh come on. Every insider knew what that was really about. Everyone knew what type of asshole Bush was like. If Clinton didn't, she is an idiot who got schooled by a D student. If she did, then she's partly to blame for this clusterfuck.
You're right, Led. I stand corrected. The party that's been winning elections by encoding racism in its campaigning SOP for 40 years is genuinely convinced that a black Democratic candidate would be hard to beat. Actually, as thehova suggests, since they have college degrees, I guess they really want him to be president and will start campaigning for him as soon as he is nominated. Obama is kinda like Midas: every hard-core Republican he touches with his silver tongue turns into a liberal. They may be the party of ideas, as Obama says; but we're the party of magic and unicorns. They don't stand a chance.
Since marvelous orators are a rarity, only a few coming along every decade or generation or so, it is worth remembering some of them, and the inspiration they provided. For to understand past orators is to beware and cautious of present ones... John Calhoun - Southern Secession ******************* The bottom line if everyone had served their country and done hard duty for it believed bio trumped temperment and competence - McCain. And anyone who had a college education who goes on to hire people for senior executive positions would have a problem with Obama's thin resume` and likely not give him a chance to make a magnificent 30 minute speech at a job interview to carry the day.
LC, you dolt. Of course hard core movement conservatives don't want Obama to be president. I was reacting to your suggestion that posters on the Corner were praising Obama's strength as a candidate because of some sort of triple bank shot plan to trick Democrats into nominating him. That's tin foil hat stuff. Dems really need to stop acting as if Republicans are all powerful, all knowing masters of politics.
"The party that's been winning elections by encoding racism in its campaigning SOP for 40 years"
"The business-world equivalent of this meteoric rise would actually constitute an extremely impressive, Midas-like resume. Definitely good enough to get you a shot at a senior-level position."
"Dems really need to stop acting as if Republicans are all powerful, all knowing masters of politics. Posted by Led | January 27, 2008 9:42 AM" Especially K-Lo, of all people.
Obama's thin resume I struggle to comprehend the mind that considers Obama's resume to be thin. Especially in comparison to Hilary Clinton's.
Freddie: Agreed that H. Clinton's experience is exaggerated. But I think it's fair to say that Obama has less experience in national politics and/or executive management than most presidential candidates. I don't think that's disqualifying or dispositive. See, e.g., Lincoln, Kennedy, etc. But it's not an unreasonable issue for an opponent to raise, assuming said opponent legitimately has more experience.
"I struggle to comprehend the mind that considers Obama's resume to be thin. Especially in comparison to Hilary Clinton's." Well for one, Obama never had the experience of being married to a powerful man. Hillary 1 Barack 0.
A point that should be mentioned here is that just because the right wing nuts would like Obama to run because he's black and would be defeated does not establish that is the case. What it establishes is that they BELIEVE that is the case - which, of course, they would, since by definition they're racists. I need to see a competent poll of average Americans who believe that there is no way in hell a black man can win the Presidency and who personally would never vote for a black man before I will accept that they might be right. Mind you, they might well be right, and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they are right since I have a low opinion of the chimpanzees in this country (and all countries) - I just haven't seen the evidence that they are. ASSUMING that they are and ASSUMING that means Obama should not be the candidate merely illustrates the incipient racism in a lot of Democrats.
Um, Liz? I don't think you get to be president of Law Review through affirmative action.
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Matt,
Gore is coming, see
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/01/sweet_obama_wins_south_carolin.html
GO USA! GO OBAMA! GO USA!
Posted by eorse | January 26, 2008 9:40 PM