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25 Jan 2008 01:11 pm

It seems that the U.S. Army has once again lowered recruiting standards in order to meet the manpower exigencies of the Iraq War. Fred Kaplan goes through what this is likely to mean in terms of the performance of our troops in Iraq. Read him for the gory details, but the short version is: nothing good. What's more, the context for this is a prolonged counterinsurgency of the sort that, as General Petraeus' field manual makes clear, requires soldiers who are smarter than we've usually relied upen even as, in reality, they're getting less smart. Kaplan observes:

Petraeus and officers who think like him are right: We're probably not going to be fighting on the ground, toe-to-toe and tank-to-tank, with the Russian, Chinese, or North Korean armies in the foreseeable future. Yet if the trends continue, our Army might be getting less and less skilled at the "small wars" we're more likely to fight.

This is all true. But I also think that this turn of events is not only bad news for our prospects in Iraq, but bad news for counterinsurgency enthusiasts in general. After all, these recruiting issues aren't something that just happened out of the blue. The proximate cause of the bad-for-counterinsurgency recruiting situation is the fact that we're trying to wage a counterinsurgency. And it's not just the rank and file, either. Lieutenant Colonel John Nagl, one of the Army's handful of top counterinsurgency thinkers, decided he'd rather work at a think tank. The Army we had in 2003 didn't have enough of the right kind of people to do counterinsurgency well, and the effort to do counterinsurgency has pushed the trends in the wrong direction.

Furthermore, the five years or so we've been fighting in Iraq is actually small beer by the standards that counterinsurgency theory suggests is necessary. So how are we supposed to prevent this kind of counterinsurgency-induced collapse in capacity to do effective counterinsurgency? The job is, after all, by its very nature pretty arduous and unpleasant the kind of thing that most people with bright prospects elsewhere are going to wind up avoiding in favor of more pleasant opportunities elsewhere. This is true of even very public-spirited people who are going to be able to think of plenty of other ways to serve their community, their country, or the world that don't involve the kind of sacrifices entailed by repeated deployments to a war zone. There will be exceptions, of course, but an effective military requires more than exceptions -- it's by definition a mass institution.

The exception, of course, is that in a situation of genuine national emergency you can convince/conscript pretty much whomever you want into military work. But it's hard to imagine the United States being faced with a serious domestic insurgency. And it's also very hard to imagine an insurgency abroad rising to that level of threat.

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You go towards this with the "genuine national emergency" part, but presumably one of the key variables is depth and breadth of domestic support for the counterinsurgency which is (hopefully, though I don't know about in reality) tied to whether the counterinsurgency has a valid strategic rationale.

Also, as loathe as I am to suggest increased military spending, I'll baselessly speculate that it'd be more cost effective to pay soldiers more and get better qualified soldiers.

By the way, the "aptitude test" that Kaplan refers to throughout his article as being so important for performance in a wide variety of military jobs is the same AFQT IQ test that provided the long middle section of Herrnstein and Murray's "The Bell Curve."

The military paid to have the 13,000 young people in the National Longitudinal Study of Youth be given the highly g-loaded AFQT test in 1980, and then track how these people did in the rest of their lives. A former head of psychometrics at one of the military branches told me he had handed all the data to Murray, and found The Bell Curve to be scientifically impeccable.

The study is ongoing, so we know have data, including IQ scores on about 6,000 children of the the original sample tested in 1980, so it's quite a resource for answer crucial nature-nurture questions.

It's funny how IQ is constantly denounced as a pseudoscience in the media, but the organization that has invested the most in studying it, the U.S. military, is completely devoted to its use in selecting recruits.

The late Steve Gilliard blogged more about the implications of declining AFQT scores for recruits than anybody else:

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/01/steve-gilliard-angry-black-liberal-iq.html

The proximate cause of the bad-for-counterinsurgency recruiting situation is the fact that we're trying to wage a counterinsurgency.

Well, either that or the economy. After all, we had decreasing recruiting results in the late 90s that had nothing to do with waging a counterinsurgency.

So how are we supposed to prevent this kind of counterinsurgency-induced collapse in capacity to do effective counterinsurgency?

What makes Matthew think there is a "collapse in capacity to do effective counterinsurgency"?

That's a awful far leap from a slight decrease in recruiting standards to a "collapse in capacity to do effective counterinsurgency". What makes Matthew think we can't make up for a decrease in recruiting standards through additional training or increasing the effectiveness of our counterinsurgency operations?

It's funny how IQ is constantly denounced as a pseudoscience in the media, but the organization that has invested the most in studying it, the U.S. military, is completely devoted to its use in selecting recruits.

That quote pretty much speaks for itself, only in the opposite way the writer intended.

Moreover, even absent increased training or the like, what makes Matthew think that the effectiveness of counterinsurgency increases linearly with higher recruiting standards? Maybe the difference in effectiveness of counterinsurgency hardly increases at all at the levels of recruitment we're at. After all, if we previously recruited only Harvard and Yale graduates, but now had to recruit from all the Ivies, that would reflect a decrease in recruiting standards, but the "capacity to do effective counterinsurgency" might not change at all.

Really, this post is weak on so many levels.

I don't want to make this point, because Malcolm Gladwell made it on Colbert this week and I don't want to echo, but I would think a better answer to the question of whether men are smarter than women that we don't know how well IQ tests capture some underlying trait of intelligence, and don't have any other robust way to measure it, so we don't know the answer.

Posted by washerdreyer

This post, from a different thread, reflects conventional wisdom among many liberals. If we follow this conventional wisdom, then we don't really know if standards are declining because we don't really know what IQ tests (or other standardized tests) measure. Unless we have a double standard about tests, that is.

Al, I don't think it's your intention, but your post has just exposed the hollowness of the Bush administration's rhetoric.

In the 90s, we had a booming economy and no wars to fight. Therefore, it made sense for our quality military personnel to leave for the civilian world.

However, according to the Bush administration, hell, according to everyone in the Beltway, in the War on Terror we're facing our greatest threat since the Cold War or World War 2. Yet we're still having problems finding recruits.

When you're facing an existential crisis, something Podheretz and his ilk claim, you're NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOSING RECRUITS. You're supposed to be TURNING THEM AWAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOO MANY. That's the situtation we had after Pearl Harbor.

Jon Stewart had the best summation of this way back in 2006 during the 5th year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

If Bush really thinks this is an existential battle, says Jon, then he needs to start acting like it. Jon's exact words were "Let's World War 2 this thing."

But the problem is that the administration, and the American people, don't, to be honest, see the problem like that. That's why we get Karl Rove and Dick Cheney picking who'll be running the Baghdad Embassy and who'll be getting lucrative contracts like it's just another type of pork. Meanwhile, the troops on the ground look home and see people going about their lives like nothing happened, except for periodic scary-time messages from our fearless leader, leading housewives in Orange County or Des Moines to stock up on duct tape or some other ridiculous bullshit.

Jon's advice to them was, if you don't think this is an existential threat, then shut the fuck up.

To continue, those troops sit in Baghdad and think "wait, nobody at home gives a shit" so they leave. Nobody wants to be the last man to die for a mistake.

Our national problem seems to be a lack of introspection. If we had an ounce of that, we'd never have been involved in this mess. Instead we substitute idiotic slogans like "Failure is not an option" for actual intelligence.

Meanwhile, we constantly hear about how the Islamofascistiranqaedairaqistanis are going to convert us all or murder us or call us in the early morning as telemarketers.

But no one ever seems to suggest what Cromwell said
"I beseech ye in the bowels of Christ, think that ye might be mistaken"

The job is, after all, . . . the kind of thing that most people with bright prospects elsewhere are going to wind up avoiding . . . This is true of even very public-spirited people who are going to be able to think of plenty of other ways to serve their community, their country, or the world that don't involve the kind of sacrifices entailed by repeated deployments to a war zone.

I think you're missing a more fundamental problem here, MY. It isn't just that public-spirited people will choose to find other ways to help their communities. It's that, given the nature of the domestic economy, who can afford to spend 2-4 years in the military? Basically, nobody but 18-year-olds.

That pretty severely limits the total population of possible recruits. Start narrowing your criteria so you're looking for the intelligent ones -- the ones most likely bound for college -- and you've got a serious recruiting problem on your hands.

I watched an episode of Orange County Chopper and the shop gang hosted Iraq vets, lauding them for their bravery and patriotism. To a man they said their sacrifices (lost limbs, eyes, other various injuries and permanent disabilities) were worth it so all of God's little children in America could grow up free and safe. And they believed every word of it. Tales abound anywhere you choose to look of vets with the same beliefs. THAT is how you keep people signing up. The Right has to keep reciting the mantra "Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" and say it earnestly. Gullible citizens eat that stuff up and enlist. Trouble is it's tough to portray an emerging peaceful Iraq and also instill fear of your babies getting knifed in their beds at night by the marauding Muslim hordes from the east. I think Bush needs another Lebanon Barracks Catastrophy (Iraq version 2.0). Only this time instead of pulling up stakes he'll blame it on Iran and have a new demon the troops have to exorcise.


Name the existing or plausible counterinsurgency war that that we'd be better off fighting than not fighting. It's hard to do. I doubt if Nagl could think of one.

Propping up a weak regime in Iraq that's inclined to be pro-Iranian can't be worth a hundred billion dollars a year: indeed, it isn't worth anything at all. Although I suppose it _is_ keeping the Martians from landing, or the Caliphate from being reborn, or whatever hallucinatory bullshit is the basic rationale of American policy this week.

Nor is controlling Afghanistan worth much of anything, unless we decide to to become heroin dealers.

Amazing how quickly Sailer hijacked this thread...

Hey Sailer, how has IQ among whites changed over the last 100 years? That's the Flynn effect; pretty large right? Is that change due to nature? Hmm...

A friend of mine served in the Navy for two years after dropping out of a ROTC program (hint: don't piss off the guy in charge of your ROTC program). At this point all the military is doing is filtering out the dysfunctional mentally limited from the borderline functional. Everyone else gets in, if they want. I'll bet an IQ test is a cheap way to make the distinction. There's a reason why the last recruitment add proudly announces that they no longer accept application, only commitments. The application is just a formality at this point.

Well, I tend to agree with Steve Duncan.

But I'll bet that at some point, the truth on a lot of these matters will eventually come out, and when it does all those crippled Iraq veterans, their comrades, and their families will be really, really, REALLY ticked off. Don't know if I'd care to be Bush, Cheney, or the neocons when/if that happens...

On the other hand wasn't there that poll that as of a year or two ago, 70% of the American troops in Iraq STILL believed that he'd invaded because Saddam had attacked us on 9/11.

So maybe you can indeed fool 70% of the people 100% of the time...

The study is ongoing, so we know have data, including IQ scores on about 6,000 children of the the original sample tested in 1980, so it's quite a resource for answer crucial nature-nurture questions.

It's an aside, but these questions aren't "critical" at all. Rather, there's a few people out there, with, shall we say "on the edge" views about race and gender issues, who are obsessed with them because they would like to carve out a space in respectable public discourse for views about the inferiority or superiority of certain minorities or one gender or the other.

But in terms of "critical" issues, this is hardly one.

I watched an episode of Orange County Chopper and the shop gang hosted Iraq vets, lauding them for their bravery and patriotism. To a man they said their sacrifices (lost limbs, eyes, other various injuries and permanent disabilities) were worth it so all of God's little children in America could grow up free and safe. And they believed every word of it.

It sounds to me like standards weren't too high to begin with.

The way IQ tests are used by the military is a valid measure of how successful a soldier will be in the Army at various tasks. It is not a good measure of innate intelligence, but they are a good measure of culture intelligence. The Army is a sub-culture within American culture. The Army itself has many distinct sub-cultures. The IQ tests can be used to shuffle people into those sub-cultures very well and are a reasonable predictor of success. Someone who scores to far below the norm (hell, or even too high) on the IQ tests simply aren't going to fit into a modern Army. Some of these folks will be stupid, some will have learning disabilities, and some will see the world through a cultural lens that most of us don't have and simply won't be able to function the way the Army needs them to - effective communication is more than just making words with your lips. There will be exceptions of course, but as a rule, the further a person deviates from the over-arching culture, the less likely they are to be successful in that cultures institutions.

If you think this is bullshit, I ask you, how well do you think the smartest Mongolian sheep herder would do in the 101st Airborne? He or she would suck and it's not because they are stupid.

Here's from Fred Kaplan's article in Slate, showing why the Army allows in so few recruits from the bottom 30% of the nationa IQ distribution (about 92 or less):

"In order to meet recruitment targets, the Army has even had to scour the bottom of the barrel. There used to be a regulation that no more than 2 percent of all recruits could be "Category IV"—defined as applicants who score in the 10th to 30th percentile on the aptitude tests. In 2004, just 0.6 percent of new soldiers scored so low. In 2005, as the Army had a hard time recruiting, the cap was raised to 4 percent. And in 2007, according to the new data, the Army exceeded even that limit—4.1 percent of new recruits last year were Cat IVs. ... [Applicants below the 10th percentile in IQ have been banned by law from enlisting since the Korean War.]

... " Third, a dumber army is a weaker army. A study by the RAND Corporation, commissioned by the Pentagon and published in 2005, evaluated several factors that affect military performance—experience, training, aptitude, and so forth—and found that aptitude [i.e., IQ] is key. This was true even of basic combat skills, such as shooting straight. Replacing a tank gunner who had scored Category IV with one who'd scored Category IIIA (in the 50th to 64th percentile) improved the chances of hitting a target by 34 percent.

"Today's Army, of course, is much more high-tech, from top to bottom. The problem is that when tasks get more technical, aptitude makes an even bigger difference. In one Army study cited by the RAND report, three-man teams from the Army's active-duty signal battalions were told to make a communications system operational. Teams consisting of Category IIIA personnel had a 67 percent chance of succeeding. Teams with Category IIIB soldiers (who had ranked in the 31st to 49th percentile) had a 47 percent chance. Those with Category IVs had only a 29 percent chance. The study also showed that adding a high-scoring soldier to a three-man team increased its chance of success by 8 percent. (This also means that adding a low-scoring soldier to a team reduces its chance by a similar margin.)"

Here's from Fred Kaplan's article in Slate, showing why the Army allows in so few recruits from the bottom 30% of the nationa IQ distribution (about 92 or less):

"In order to meet recruitment targets, the Army has even had to scour the bottom of the barrel. There used to be a regulation that no more than 2 percent of all recruits could be "Category IV"—defined as applicants who score in the 10th to 30th percentile on the aptitude tests. In 2004, just 0.6 percent of new soldiers scored so low. In 2005, as the Army had a hard time recruiting, the cap was raised to 4 percent. And in 2007, according to the new data, the Army exceeded even that limit—4.1 percent of new recruits last year were Cat IVs. ... [Applicants below the 10th percentile in IQ have been banned by law from enlisting since the Korean War.]

... " Third, a dumber army is a weaker army. A study by the RAND Corporation, commissioned by the Pentagon and published in 2005, evaluated several factors that affect military performance—experience, training, aptitude, and so forth—and found that aptitude [i.e., IQ] is key. This was true even of basic combat skills, such as shooting straight. Replacing a tank gunner who had scored Category IV with one who'd scored Category IIIA (in the 50th to 64th percentile) improved the chances of hitting a target by 34 percent.

"Today's Army, of course, is much more high-tech, from top to bottom. The problem is that when tasks get more technical, aptitude makes an even bigger difference. In one Army study cited by the RAND report, three-man teams from the Army's active-duty signal battalions were told to make a communications system operational. Teams consisting of Category IIIA personnel had a 67 percent chance of succeeding. Teams with Category IIIB soldiers (who had ranked in the 31st to 49th percentile) had a 47 percent chance. Those with Category IVs had only a 29 percent chance. The study also showed that adding a high-scoring soldier to a three-man team increased its chance of success by 8 percent. (This also means that adding a low-scoring soldier to a team reduces its chance by a similar margin.)"

Here's from Fred Kaplan's article in Slate, showing why the Army allows in so few recruits from the bottom 30% of the nationa IQ distribution (about 92 or less):

"In order to meet recruitment targets, the Army has even had to scour the bottom of the barrel. There used to be a regulation that no more than 2 percent of all recruits could be "Category IV"—defined as applicants who score in the 10th to 30th percentile on the aptitude tests. In 2004, just 0.6 percent of new soldiers scored so low. In 2005, as the Army had a hard time recruiting, the cap was raised to 4 percent. And in 2007, according to the new data, the Army exceeded even that limit—4.1 percent of new recruits last year were Cat IVs. ... [Applicants below the 10th percentile in IQ have been banned by law from enlisting since the Korean War.]

... " Third, a dumber army is a weaker army. A study by the RAND Corporation, commissioned by the Pentagon and published in 2005, evaluated several factors that affect military performance—experience, training, aptitude, and so forth—and found that aptitude [i.e., IQ] is key. This was true even of basic combat skills, such as shooting straight. Replacing a tank gunner who had scored Category IV with one who'd scored Category IIIA (in the 50th to 64th percentile) improved the chances of hitting a target by 34 percent.

"Today's Army, of course, is much more high-tech, from top to bottom. The problem is that when tasks get more technical, aptitude makes an even bigger difference. In one Army study cited by the RAND report, three-man teams from the Army's active-duty signal battalions were told to make a communications system operational. Teams consisting of Category IIIA personnel had a 67 percent chance of succeeding. Teams with Category IIIB soldiers (who had ranked in the 31st to 49th percentile) had a 47 percent chance. Those with Category IVs had only a 29 percent chance. The study also showed that adding a high-scoring soldier to a three-man team increased its chance of success by 8 percent. (This also means that adding a low-scoring soldier to a team reduces its chance by a similar margin.)"

Here's from Fred Kaplan's article in Slate, showing why the Army allows in so few recruits from the bottom 30% of the nationa IQ distribution (about 92 or less):

"In order to meet recruitment targets, the Army has even had to scour the bottom of the barrel. There used to be a regulation that no more than 2 percent of all recruits could be "Category IV"—defined as applicants who score in the 10th to 30th percentile on the aptitude tests. In 2004, just 0.6 percent of new soldiers scored so low. In 2005, as the Army had a hard time recruiting, the cap was raised to 4 percent. And in 2007, according to the new data, the Army exceeded even that limit—4.1 percent of new recruits last year were Cat IVs. ... [Applicants below the 10th percentile in IQ have been banned by law from enlisting since the Korean War.]

... " Third, a dumber army is a weaker army. A study by the RAND Corporation, commissioned by the Pentagon and published in 2005, evaluated several factors that affect military performance—experience, training, aptitude, and so forth—and found that aptitude [i.e., IQ] is key. This was true even of basic combat skills, such as shooting straight. Replacing a tank gunner who had scored Category IV with one who'd scored Category IIIA (in the 50th to 64th percentile) improved the chances of hitting a target by 34 percent.

"Today's Army, of course, is much more high-tech, from top to bottom. The problem is that when tasks get more technical, aptitude makes an even bigger difference. In one Army study cited by the RAND report, three-man teams from the Army's active-duty signal battalions were told to make a communications system operational. Teams consisting of Category IIIA personnel had a 67 percent chance of succeeding. Teams with Category IIIB soldiers (who had ranked in the 31st to 49th percentile) had a 47 percent chance. Those with Category IVs had only a 29 percent chance. The study also showed that adding a high-scoring soldier to a three-man team increased its chance of success by 8 percent. (This also means that adding a low-scoring soldier to a team reduces its chance by a similar margin.)"

The take-away lesson is that most of the denunciations you hear in the conventional wisdom about IQ are BS. In reality, the U.S. military has been using IQ test continuously since the 1940s to assess recruits and has an enormous amount of data showing that they are, relative to all other easily measured factors, excellent predictors of performance across a remarkably broad range of tasks.

Sorry about the quadruple posting. I have no idea why that happened. But if, as the psychometricians say, "Life is an IQ test," I guess I just flunked.

if, as the psychometricians say, "Life is an IQ test," I guess I just flunked.

No, Steve. Not "just."

Steve Sailer,

You see to be unaware of the difference between IQ tests and aptitude tests. They're not the same thing.

When it comes to the military's AFQT, IQ test and aptitude test is the same thing. The acid test is a test's "g-loading" and the AQT is up at the very top of the list with the Ravens' Matrices and a few other IQ tests in measuring g, the "general factor" of intelligence.

I interviewed the former head of psychometrics for one of the major branches of the U.S. military for two hours on just these type of questions, and he strongly ratified that the AFQT was an excellent IQ test, and that IQ, especially the general factor of IQ, g, was absolutely what the military was obsessed with.

Here's an idea for a new government program that progressives should consider to solve the problem that it's very, very hard for people in the bottom 30% of the IQ distribution to join the military.

Perhaps there's an opportunity for a government program that might actually improve the morals of the poor. So I'd like to end this perhaps bleak summary of the basic facts of American urban life with an idea I've been kicking around for years.

I want to tell you first, though, about a young African-American man I knew from a rough neighborhood in Chicago.

High school wasn't easy for him, but he stuck it out, stayed out of trouble, and got his degree. He went to work at McDonald's, where the boss liked his attitude and the way the other kids followed his lead, and put him on the management track. But he messed up the paperwork too many times and got fired.

He started hanging out with loser friends and had a minor scrape with the law. He decided then that he didn't want to waste his life and that his best shot at getting on the right path was the Army. It offered the purpose and order he craved.

The recruiting sergeant liked him a lot, seeing leadership potential in him. Everything looked promising, but then he flunked the military's IQ test (the one used throughout The Bell Curve), the Armed Forces Qualification Test. Like more than 80 million other Americans would have done, he didn't score in the top 70 percent.

However, the recruiter was so enthusiastic about this young man that he offered him a special chance: the Army would pay to send him to a lengthy training program where he'd live in a barracks, wear a uniform, and cram for the AFQT.

He found there that he loved military life. And the military liked him: he won the award as the best cadet in his class. Fired up, he went home, and took the AFQT again.

And flunked once more.

Sadly, we don't live in Lake Wobegon, where all the children are above average. The tautological fact is that 30 percent of Americans are going to score below the 30th percentile on IQ.

The tragic conundrum is that the young men like this fellow who could most benefit from serving a hitch in the Army, the decent but not too bright 18-year-olds who are on the knife-edge between getting their act together and falling into a lifetime of drugs and crime, are the ones least likely to make the Armed Forces' cognitive cutoff.

Now, the military exists to win wars. Modern weapons are so lethal and so complicated that the Pentagon is perfectly sensible in only wanting easily trainable recruits. The military isn't a social program. Indeed, much of what success it has as a social program originates from its asking soldiers, unlike the participants in the old Job Corps, to serve larger moral goals—duty, honor, country—than merely their own financial advancement.

Perhaps, though, our country could make good use of a Disaster Relief Corps, one with the discipline of the military but somewhat less rigorous IQ requirements, accepting young men down to, say, the 10th percentile (80 IQ, which is the legal minimum for soldiers). Many young men want the chance to be heroes, which is why small towns get by with volunteer fire departments. Those ambitions should be encouraged.

Disaster Relief Corpsmen would wear uniforms and train for a year on a base, learning to fill sandbags to fight floods, perform first aid, control crowds, and other basic skills that would have been useful in New Orleans.

After that they'd go home and serve, say, six years in the Disaster Relief Reserves, spending one weekend a month training (where they'd also take a drug test to keep them on the straight and narrow).

When the worst happened, each community, instead of waiting passively for FEMA functionaries to fly in from around the country, would have 19-25 year old men on hand ready to take initiative to organize and protect their neighborhoods…rather than loot them.

But if, as the psychometricians say, "Life is an IQ test," I guess I just flunked.

Steve Sailer, making white people look bad since 1958.

Awesome. Your parents should be proud.

Steve,

I think your idea sounds great. Its certainly better than the xxx Corps that Clinton came up with (I can't remember the name), which seems to be designed to appeal to upper-middle class white kids.

would have 19-25 year old men on hand ready to take initiative to organize and protect their neighborhoods…rather than loot them.

However, to get people to listen, it would help to not go out of your way to offend them.

It's funny how IQ is constantly denounced as a pseudoscience in the media,

No, Steve. You're racial "studies" is denounced as a pseudoscience in the media.

That you can't tell the difference is another sign that white people aren't as sharp as you think.

A study by the RAND Corporation, commissioned by the Pentagon and published in 2005, evaluated several factors that affect military performance—experience, training, aptitude, and so forth—and found that aptitude [i.e., IQ] is key. This was true even of basic combat skills, such as shooting straight.

See!? Rush was right!

but bad news for counterinsurgency enthusiasts in general.

This phrasing just may me think there's a fantasy civil war league somewhere out there.

Steve, no plan to improve the "morals" of the poorer classes has ever worked. Similarly for the middle classes, the upper classes, etc.

Yes, the NFL mandates the Wonderlic IQ test for all draft prospects. Offensive linemen tend to score the highest, with quarterbacks and kickers close behind. (Tom Brady scored something like 124 and Eli Manning maybe 136.) Cornerbacks and running backs tend to have the lowest average IQ scores, typically in the low 90s. NFL players tend to average about 5 points higher than average for their races.

For details, see:
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/limbaugh.htm

Christ, you're full of yourself, Sailer -- I was pointing out the inanity of your obsession, not bolstering your argument. Also, nice masturbatory link, considering that its the same article I linked to above.

Right, nobody is interested in IQ, except the military, the NFL, colleges, and basically everybody in the world.

But you're just supposed not supposed to tell the truth about it...

Wow, such a truth telling martyr.

Your culture of self-victimization has no limits.

You've become what you say you detest.

Classic and pathetic, all at once.

Woah, steve sailer is an actual published writer? I thought he was just your run of the mill crank. I did like his appreciation of blacks excelling in "trash talking" and "preaching" though.

Woah, steve sailer is an actual published writer? I thought he was just your run of the mill crank.

What makes you think the two are mutually exclusive?

Right, nobody is interested in IQ, except the military, the NFL, colleges, and basically everybody in the world. But you're just supposed not supposed to tell the truth about it...

No, the problem, Sailer, is that you're so deadly serious about your research that to acknowledge sarcasm is no longer an option. It's not as if the Wunderlic is given any reserved status. At this point it's nothing but a formality -- its not as if Vince Young is laboring in the Titans secondary, for chrissakes. Also, I don't seem to recall an IQ test being administered prior to my college admission.

But since you seem to enjoy linking to your own publications, see if you can find one that presents actual policy proposals which could rationally follow from your 'findings.' Many here question your endeavors based on moral questionability -- I ask you, what is the actual endgame of your research? Are you of the kind that defends any sociological study, regardless of real-world applicability? If not, I'd love to know what possible purpose could follow from your racial studies, other than to give cover to racists. Hell, its not as if your studies have even attempted to devise a better intelligence test than the outdated IQ; what exactly, are you doing, anyway?

Bringing the thread back on topic, gcochran has it right.

The reality is that there IS NO situation where the US military should be dealing with an insurgency - except in the, as mentioned highly unlikely, scenarios that we end up fighting Russia, or China and then have to go in and do a WWII like reconstruction, except that this time, unlike Germany, we actually have an insurgency.

Counterinsurgency has to be done BY THE GOVERNMENT AND PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY INVOLVED.

It CANNOT be done by an outside, alien military force. This is THE lesson to be taken from the history.

It's like a psych guy I knew said once. He did "mandatory counseling" for ex-offenders - of which I was one. He said that by any definition of "therapy", "mandatory therapy" ain't it. You have to want to be there to make it effective, at a minimum.

The same thing applies to counterinsurgency. It has to be done by the people who live there, not some foreign occupation.

This is the fundamental flaw in Petraeus' concept.

This is why the US has lost in Iraq and is losing in Afghanistan - indeed, by any rational analysis of Afghanistan, has already lost there, too.

This is also why Pakistan is going to be the next big disaster for the US. Because Obama and the rest of the candidates - and Bush and the Pentagon are already lining this up - are talking about putting US troops into Pakistan, first for "training", and then - allegedly only if "asked", yeah, right - for combat purposes. This simply is going to accelerate the radicalization of Pakistan's population, increase anti-Americanism in that country which is already at something like eighty percent, and accelerate the collapse of the Pakistani government.

The US military CANNOT do counterinsurgency. It has no ability to do so, and cannot develop the ability to do so, except in cases where the "insurgency" is extremely small and localized and does not have the support of the indigenous population (i.e. Che Guevara in Bolivia).

Epicurean sneers:

"But since you seem to enjoy linking to your own publications, see if you can find one that presents actual policy proposals which could rationally follow from your 'findings.'"

Perhaps you should read Matt's post and the Slate article it's citing -- the IQ of new recruits is going down while the IQ demands of the new kind of warfare America keeps getting involved in is going up.

Or, here's an obvious example: although the military has successfully fought to continue using its IQ test (just as colleges have kept their IQ clones, the SAT and ACT), the famous Federal civil service exam was thrown out by the Carter Administration in January 1981 because it had racially disparate impact (Asians and whites did better on average than NAMs). It was supposed to be replaced by a new exam that would be predictive of successful job performance but on which NAMs wouldn't score lower. Squaring that circle has never been achieved, so the systems for hiring federal civil servants have become less effective, and with it the entire federal government over the years.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/11/steve-sailers-test-case_4916.html

I think you've missed my point, Sailer. I've not mistaken your penchant for testing -- what I'm asking is, what exactly should be done to ameliorate the supposed intelligence gap between the races? Judging from your link, I'll assume you're stating that, if not for the lack of PACE testing, that the events leading up to the brain drain in our present military would never have happened? That's quite a stretch.

Further testing isn't a policy proposal -- sorry, but such a fervent advocate of your viewpoint should possess a more fleshed-out set of ideas. If you consider blacks and Latinos to be mentally inferior, I suppose you're all for social programs to deal with this issue? Rather, am I to believe that hollering for more and greater tests all you've managed to churn out after all this time?


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