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Obama Prehistory

08 Jan 2008 10:24 am

Tyler Cowen relinked today to guest poster Fabio Rojas' thoughts on Barack Obama from back in May 2004. It reminded me that I'd been meaning to do a rambling post on my early impressions of the now-favorite for the Democratic nomination.

Way back in the day when I was a Writing Fellow at The American Prospect my fellow fellow was from Illinois and she'd been known to mention from time to time that there was this great up-and-coming State Senator named Barack Obama running for US Senator and that it was too bad the party establishment was trying to hand the nomination to some mediocrity named Blair Hull. This kind of fit into a notion that I'd frequently tossed around with my friend Dave. Dave and I agreed that rhetorical skill was an underrated trait in achieving political success, that a disproportionate number of skilled orators in the United States seem to be Southern or African-American, and that, therefore, the general Democratic aversion to nominating black candidates to run for office in majority white constituencies was likely depriving the country of some potentially very successful politicians.

Then, I didn't think a ton about it but at this 2004 blogger breakfast event at the Democratic National Convention, I met Obama when he and I found ourselves jostling to get some breakfast meat at the buffet (this is how I know he's not secretly a Muslim) he introduced himself, asked if I was a blogger, I said I was, and he in a pretty honest-and-appealing conceded that his understanding of what a blogger was was a bit hazy but people told him it was important. Then he gave a little talk about something and it didn't strike me as particularly memorable.

Later, either that day or soon after, I was in the Fleet Center's corridors soon before Obama delivered the speech that really launched his national profile, not with any definite views as to when I was going to head into the main part of the arena to start listening to speeches. I ran into Bradley Tusk who I worked for one summer when he was Chuck Schumer's Communications Director and who turned out at the time to be working for Governor Blagojevich in Illinois. He said this Obama guy was a great speaker and I should really check it out, I made some kind of breakfast-related joke, and then in we went. The Fleet Center was much more crowded than it had been at comparable times on other nights so we wound up with really terrible seats. Then came Obama and, of course, he blew everyone away.

What's the point of recounting this? I have no idea, but the sequence of events has always made me favorable disposed toward the guy for reasons that really have nothing to do with his suitability to be a president or a presidential candidate. On the other hand, I had various opportunities to proclaim the guy the future of American politics and come away looking prescient, but kept not really doing so, a pattern in keeping with my generally poor powers of prognostication.

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> I met Obama when he and I found ourselves
> jostling to get some breakfast meat at the
> buffet (this is how I know he's not secretly
> a Muslim)

Couple of conceptual problems there Matt which should be obvious to you...

Cranky

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/08/558314.aspx

Sorry Petey, looks like the Nevada Culinary Union is going with Obama

his understanding of what a blogger was was a bit hazy but people told him it was important

I liked that.

I met Obama when he and I found ourselves jostling to get some breakfast meat at the buffet (this is how I know he's not secretly a Muslim).

Maybe he's deep, deep, deep, deep, deep undercover...

Ahh, the New Hampshire primary. Another great day for America.

Come on, Obama!

But...but...what about Edwards??? Don't you know he's leading the polls of rich people over 90 in Nevada?

Glad to hear Tusk got out. Blago's a disaster and the less resume-stench anybody talanted gets from him the better.

Interesting.

I'm totally the other way.

When I'm around someone who has great clarity of insight, I feel it all the time. You leave the room feeling like you learned something. Each connection is like, ah-ha, oh-yes, I-see-that. (Bill Clinton has a big dose of it, yet - you can just feel the audiences he talks to hanging on his words at certain points. Not in rapture, but engrossed).

It's not turned on and off.

Oration .... sadly went out with the first successful TV candidacies and then really went out with Reagan's amazing set of Communication wheels...

Interesting.

I'm totally the other way.

When I'm around someone who has great clarity of insight, I feel it all the time. You leave the room feeling like you learned something. Each connection is like, ah-ha, oh-yes, I-see-that. (Bill Clinton has a big dose of it, yet - you can just feel the audiences he talks to hanging on his words at certain points. Not in rapture, but engrossed).

It's not turned on and off.

Oration .... sadly went out with the first successful TV candidacies and then really went out with Reagan's amazing set of Communication wheels...

Today, I'm not sure that there is a Senator on the floor who can give a good speech, save a few ...

"What's the point of recounting this?"

I think it's something similar to describing how you had managed to discover Indie Band X just slightly before they hit it big.

Just don't go calling him a sell-out when he plays the Rose Garden.

Just to play devil's advocate, I think this sums up just about every encounter I've seen between a Jewish family friend's son and someone with bacon:

Son: "Are you going to eat that bacon?"
Other Person: "Ummm, no?"
Son: "Can I have it?"
OP: "Umm, ok."
*takes bacon and scarfs it down*

Fareed Zakaria used to be Slate's wine critic, after all. My Hindu grandmother makes some Indian dishes with beef.

One thing that seems to me to be a little bit of rewriting of history is the idea that Obama's national profile was launched at the convention.
I just want to point out that you don't get picked to speack in such a high-profile spot at the national convention for nothing.
Sure, most regular people found out about him then. But his reputation among the chattering class and profile was already high enough that the Kerry team picked HIM to deliver that speech.
Just sayin'

I remember his 2004 Convention speech well - especially that moment, maybe about 2/3 of the way in, when it just seemed to lift up to a whole new level. I called my wife in from the other room and said, "that guy's gonna be President someday."

I can't claim I thought it would happen so soon.

I've always been kind of glad that in early 2004, when Obama's candidacy for the nomination (let alone the seat) looked like a long shot, I donated to his Senate campaign, based on what I read about him at Atrios's place.

I don't read Eschaton regularly these days - little content, and less insight - but I haven't noticed him taking credit for helping to attract attention to Obama (from around the nation, albeit only among blog readers) before the Illinois primary and then the convention speech made it cool. I guess Atrios is more of an Edwards backer these days, though.

I knew he was the real deal early in his senate run, as well. I'd heard his name around the law school but it wasn't until I caught an interview he did on a local PBS station -- the main thrust of which is "how are you going to win downstate, when you got beat 2:1 in a primary for the House seat?" -- that I really saw him in action. Obama answered every question clearly and concisely, with obvious innate intelligence, and without relying on talking points. I've had the chance to speak with him a few times since, which added to my admiration of him, but that appearance on "Chicago Tonight" was, for me, like what Josh Lyman saw when he went to see Bartlet in New Hampshire and the Snuffy Walden music crescendoed. Never had a class with him. He cancelled the 8:30 a.m. Voting Rights class when he won the primary -- with over 50% in a crowded field. I guess he has to simplify his message a bit in a national campaign, but he is the real deal, and these attacks on him from the right, from Clinton and from Edwards and the kossacks are just churlish.

I'm a bit like the indie music snob Trevor J describes -- only I knew Obama would not be playing at the Empty Bottle or the Double Door for long, so it's hard to think of him as a sell-out. Some birds were not meant to be caged.

For several years now the internet has been full of anecdotes about "when I fell for Barack" or "when my crazy right-wing racist uncle told me he'd vote for Obama over Giuliani." Almost every post or comment has been prefaced by "I know this is just an anecdote, but..." It would be interesting if we could actually tally up these anecdotes, and compare the tally (and the demographic distribution) of pro-Obama epiphanies with the tallies of pro-Clinton or pro-whoever anecdotes. Sometimes anecdotes can morph into data pretty easily. (Are you listening Mark Penn?)

The odious Daniel Pipes has "Confirmed" that Obama practiced Islam:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

(that article is a new one from yesterday, not the older one on the same topic, btw.)

I presume Pipes would argue Obama took the bacon/sausage/ham, faked eating this noxious flesh, and hid it in the potted plant.

What an ass that Pipes guy is.

Well, if he was eating bacon or sausage for breakfast, we can conclude:
(1) He isn't an observant Muslim.
(2) He isn't an observant Jew.
(3) He isn't a fascist--otherwise he'd be a vegetarian.

I marched with Barack on Memorial Day '03. I have his original demo tape and several bootlegs.

The odious Daniel Pipes has "Confirmed" that Obama practiced Islam

What a joke that Pipes article is! Pipes takes a big pile of evidence that Obama was not a Muslim and concludes that Obama, as an apostate Muslim, will have a lot of troube dealing with Islamic countries if he becomes president . . .

I remember first seeing him in a photo in the Chicago Tribune with the other candidates for the Democratic nomination for the Illinois Senate race and I remember thinking "that's an unfortunate name" but also remember being relieved when he won because the other candidates were so bad, especially the one the Democratic establishment was pushing.

The guy Obama was suppsed to face was a Republican business guy who seemed even more like an animatronic android than Mitt Romney does. But he dropped out because his ex-wife - an actress who portrayed a busty Borg on the TV show Star Trek Voyager - had said he tried to force her to go to "sex clubs" with him. So the Republicans went with Alan Keyes...

Matt's vignette shows why Obama did so well in Iowa with young voters and why he increased the turnout. He seems like a relatively honest authentic guy, and young people can usually smell a bullshitter a mile away.

What's this all about? You are never anywhere close to this all about yourself.

"Matt's vignette shows why Obama did so well in Iowa with young voters and why he increased the turnout. He seems like a relatively honest authentic guy, and young people can usually smell a bullshitter a mile away.

Posted by Peter K. | January 8, 2008 11:31 AM"

It's because we have memories of frat boys and business students fresh in our minds.

"I met Obama when he and I found ourselves jostling to get some breakfast meat at the buffet (this is how I know he's not secretly a Muslim)".

With irony like that, I'll be sure to get my co-congregants at the record labels to offer fellow tribesman Matt an indie contract. Can you play power chords?

Re Matthew's comment "I met Obama when he and I found ourselves jostling to get some breakfast meat at the buffet (this is how I know he's not secretly a Muslim)"
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Obama may be willing to unilaterally invade nuclear-armed Pakistan and take on human-wave attacks from fanatical Al Qaeda mujahideen.

But even Obama knows better than to get between Matthew and a tray of bacon.

I'm sure Obama was told that bloggers were "important", in the sense of "being important for the DNC to retail their talking points, which are probably sent via email and perhaps through proxies."

Also, they make bacon and sausages out of non-pig products.

Which usually isn't kosher or halal in this country.

The deal-breaker for many will be Obama's equivocation on this touchy topic. It ties Obama to the insurance companies, Chicago politics, accountability, courage, honesty and race. Obama can be held up as both victim and persecutor on the issue.

Matt,

Obama myth making already?

Shame on you. I thought you were a wonk, and here you aer dancing to the Gen X version of the press parade.

Let's hear some policy issues from your guy. So far you seem to admit that you have simply lost your heart. This is how we ended up with Bush II.

If this is the best Big Media Matt is capable of when he is actually in the cockpit, the blogsphere is a losing cause.

Stop disappointing me.

Anyone who can't distinguish between the EIC of the Harvard Law Review and the callow, mediocre offspring of the callow, mediocre offspring of a callow, medicore senator doesn't get to claim intellectual superiority (re "that's how we got Bush II.")

Also, read your Kant. Bush claims "intuition." Obama claims "judgment." Separate things.

"that a disproportionate number of skilled orators in the United States seem to be Southern or African-American"

How many times have I said previously that Obama is just Lou Gossett, Jr.?

There are any number of slick-talking black politicians, slick-talking black comedians, slick-talking black preachers (who are frequently politicians as well, for obvious historical reasons- Jesse Jackson remains the epitome of the type although we have Cecil Williams in San Francisco, not to mention Willie Brown, former mayor and state senator), slick-talking black actors, and slick-talking rap musicians.

So why is Obama anything special?

As an aside, just what is "Big Media" about Matt? This frickin' blog? The Atlantic?

Please.

Howard Stern is "Big Media". Even Don Imus gets noticed when he runs his mouth wrong.

Matt?

Please.

As an aside, just what is "Big Media" about Matt?

Atrios gave Matt that nickname when Matt made the move from amateur blogger to professional journalist.


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