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The Ghost of Fred Thompson

11 Jan 2008 09:41 am

I thought last night's Republican presidential debate served as a useful reminder of how much of John McCain's much-vaunted political comeback has been driven by the configuration of alternatives. The level of support McCain is currently drawing is perfectly compatible with losing badly to a much more popular alternative. But the field is incredibly fractured. You have Mike Huckabee constantly eating away ate Mitt Romney's efforts to consolidate GOP "regulars" to stop McCain. And then last night you had a suddenly vigorous Fred Thompson in the field. Ron Paul's eating up 7 percent or so of the vote. And Rudy Giuliani's still in the race and still doing very well in national polling.

With so many candidates in the field, you're in true anything can happen territory. John McCain doesn't seem to have more support than he had in 2000 when he lost. Indeed, in some respects he seems to have less support. But keep enough candidates in the mix and a losing level of support suddenly becomes a winning one. Presumably, Thompson and Giuliani will drop out if they don't stage miraculous recoveries of some sort soon, though I suppose one might think that Thompson is staying in the race precisely in order to help out McCain.

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One might think that Thompson is staying in the race precisely in order to help out McCain.

That's possible. I think the more likely scenario is that he knows he's the last, best hope to prevent a Huckabee-led evangelical "liberal" takeover of the Republican party. That certainly seemed to be his angle last night. That probably helps McCain indirectly, but I doubt it's his primary motive (no pun intended).

I suppose one might think that Thompson is staying in the race precisely in order to help out McCain.

I think Thompson's in the race because he was bored doing what he was doing. And vanity. Now, he's Fred Thompson, Presidential Candidate. (Instead of Fred Thompson, Nixon's Fink.)

The question on the Republican side remains what Ross Douthat pointed out a while back - who can break 50 percent? Hell, who can break 40?

While McCain is winning these divided polls, he's not going to knock his rivals out of the race until he breaks into the 40s or 50s. Huckabee has the same problem, so do Romney and Giuliani.

There is, somewhere deep in there, a plausible narrative of Fred Thompson, GOP presidential candidate. He looks like the only one with a clear method for building a coalition of social conservatives and business elites.

I'm nervous by the amount of people who like McCain because of his "integrity." This integrity is really a well-crafted facade. I, too, had a lot of respect for McCain in 2000, but much has changed since then.

For instance, McCain is the one who in 2000 decried the rise of "Pat Robertson Republicans," only to pander to Jerry Falwell when he realized that he couldn't go anywhere without the Christian Evangelical base.

The same "straight talking" McCain is the one who put up token protest over the Bush Administration's use of torture, only to rubber stamp the administration's treatment of detainees with the Military Commissions Act.

Don't be fooled - McCain is as forked-tongued as the rest of them. This "integrity" is nothing but a myth.

Things could get interested when we start getting closed primaries. And winner-take-all primaries, which are more common on the GOP side.

McCain/Thompson '08: the Methuselah Ticket.

Rudy Giuliani's still in the race and still doing very well in national polling

Interestingly, Rasmussen had him down in single digits (9%) nationally last time I looked. Which is at variance with the 20% or so he shows in the results on pollster.com, but it's possible that Rasmussen uses a tighter likely voter screen. In any case, even 20% is not really 'doing very well'.

Fred needs McCain to take out Mitt in MI. After that McCain cant take the south. Fred can and while taking out Huck. Fred can take the rest.

Why would Fred have to drop out? Heck, he could keep campaigning at this pace straight through to 2012.

I like Fred,.. but I'm not sure I was watching the same debate? He won? I thought his answers (when I could understand them) were rants, rambles and mumbles. And why are they still trying to be Reagan? Unbelievable.. Reagan is dead, the 80's are dead and we live in a new age.. Fox News is very twisted.

Jason Trigger:
Don't forget, there is the Keating Five too. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. The media loves calling McCain a "maverick" because it's their attempt to fluff him because he is always ready to give them a quote of some sort. I've always thought the two most dangerous Republican candidates were Huckabee(because he seems like just a nice, regular guy and McCain because of the non-stop fluffing by the media).

I would love to see a Thompson comeback (even though I am a Romney fan). McCain did it, so could Fred. Fred may be our last chance to save the conservative coalition in the Republican Party. We may be kicking ourselves 10 months from now for not supporting Thompson - for very frivolous reasons.

Who the hell is going to vote for Fred against Clinton or Obama?

Who the hell is going to vote for Fred against Clinton or Obama?

Conservatives?

Brokered Convention! If the field remains this fractured the unlikely becomes real. No one breaks 20-25% in national polls. Split up the states on Super Tuesday. Everyone stays in the race because no one is a clear winner or loser. Keep your delegates so you can cut a deal at the convention. So much fun.

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I think lutton's sarcastic perspective on Thompson is a lot closer to the mark than Haynes hillarious scenario or DivGuy's plausible-only-on paper narrative.

If you looked up "vanity candidate" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of languid Fred. Intentionally or not, the only purpose of Fred's continued presence in this race, other than to receive attention (and be laughed at), is to make it more difficult for Huckleberry to ride the bible and bubba vote to victory.

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More telling, I thought, was the elevation of Thompson's profile in the news-cycle after his blustering about Iranian speedboats of mass destruction. I think Huckabee chimed in, and the moderator chided the US Navy for "passivity" repeatedly.

Passivity.

It's a window into the mentality of the Needle-Dick Party. Their vicarious masculinity must be fed snuff porn of other people blasting the Scary Brown People, or the liberals win. Or something. Thompson's people may be on to something. Maybe the Republican primaries will hinge on who can call the loudest for more snuff porn?

Meanwhile, those of us secure in our masculinity saw only a scene that badly resembled the opening credits of Miami Vice, with a cheesy voiceover from Gawd knows where:

I'm coming to youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

It's like a rorschach test or something.
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Maybe I'm dense, but MY seems to be saying that McCain would be drawing a smaller percentage of the vote if there were a stronger candidate in the mix -- of what politician is this not the case?? Every election is always on some level a choice between the lesser of two evils, which means that there's always an out for those who want to say "Eh, they're all the same."

Maybe I'm dense, but MY seems to be saying that McCain would be drawing a smaller percentage of the vote if there were a stronger candidate in the mix

No, MY is saying that if there were a stronger candidate in the mix, McCain could be drawing the same percentage of the vote and still be in no danger of winning.

Go Fred Go!

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Just in case anyone thought I was being over the top, go look at this.
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Or maybe Romney is taking out McCain, so Thompson is free to hammer Hunckabee.

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I watched the FOX debate last night and the fiasco that followed it where the low-IQ boys tried to anoint Fred Thompson as the winner.

How did Fred Thompson ever get any acting jobs if that's the best he can do when pretending to be a Presidential candidate?

Everyone I know thought that Mike Huckabee was the clear winner. He was clear, quick witted, and decisive.

I just read the jokes about Fred from posters and beleive they may have realized He does not have to reinvent himself to sound like a conservative like others

I watched the FOX debate last night and the fiasco that followed it where the low-IQ boys tried to anoint Fred Thompson as the winner.

How did Fred Thompson ever get any acting jobs if that's the best he can do when pretending to be a Presidential candidate?

Like Huckabee, his supporters can't debate the issues. They have to make personal attacks - and even the personal attacks aren't based on any facts.

On Oct. 12, 2000, one tiny little raft piloted by Ibrahim al-Thawr and Abdullah al-Misawa skulked up next to the USS Cole. The explosion of that little raft took the lives of 17 sailors, injured the bodies of 39 others, and violently impacted the lives of countless mothers, fathers, wives, husbands, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and children.

Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick of the USS Cole said that if the sentries had fired on the suicide craft "we would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing seventeen American sailors."

What did one little raft do that five little speedboats couldn't do?

As I said Fred Thompson is a great political candidate. He's the smartest person in either party. His policies make the most sense & he's a cool-headed man under pressure.

We need such a man in the White House.

PS- He's able to connect with people, something Hillary, McCain & Romney don't do.

PSS- Fred utterly exposed Huckabee last night as a policy lightweight.

Fred Thompson is a great man, but I just don't see he has what it takes to win the general election. I'd pick him perhaps as my second choice. But Huckabee is the one that truly inspires me.

Huckabee is NOT a policy lightweight. Just because he parries attacks with humor does not mean he doesn't have a serious answer right after the laughs subside. However, Thompson unloaded so many unfair attacks against him that there was no way he could have responded to all of them in the time they gave him.

But the fact is he has addressed all these attacks before-- no one seems to care to listen to his responses, they just keep repeating the same old talking points. Sean Hannity for example, has had Huckabee explain more than once in great detail about the Dumond case. In one episode, Hannity had to admit that the only thing Huckabee may have done wrong was write a letter to Dumond, which, quoted out of context, makes it sound Huckabee let Dumond go free. In fact, Huckabee denied his request in that same letter. But Hannity just keeps on bringing up the same issue every time.

And getting back to policy-- Huckabee has spelled out very detailed policy positions on a large number of issues, whether in various public appearances, on his website, in books and articles.

I encourage truly intelligent, independent-minded people to investigate these claims for yourself, and not just lean on whatever his rivals are saying. FactCheck.org has some great information on how inaccurate Romney's attacks were for example. The charge that Huckabee is a liberal is laughable; ontheissues.org puts him smack in the middle of mainstream conservatism.

Once you get past the attacks, you find a truly likeable, intelligent, eloquent and conservative leader with a proven track record. Who better to lead this party and this country?

The Huckster lets his Clintonese slip out a wee bit too often.

Fred stripped him naked and exposed him for what he is. Weak and uninformed.

We need a real leader who sees the potential in every American.

We need a real leader who will stand up against the tyrants of the world.

We need a compassionate conservative who believes in a Government that, as Ronald Reagan would say, governs best when it governs least.

We need Fred Thompson! Vote for Fred Thompson!

You used the "CC" word... "compassionate conservative." That's exactly what has all these conservatives all hopped-up about Huckabee.

As Rush always says, Conservatism IS compassionate. He resents any hint that it is not.

However, the fact is that the conservative brand has taken quite a hit. Partly by scurrilous attacks from the liberals, but also partly by our dismal record of governing in power.

Huckabee realizes this. That is why he is reaching out to educate people and open their minds. In doing so, he uses rhetoric that makes many conservatives' hair stand on end. But if you really look at his policy positions, they are mostly straightforward conservative. They think they are objecting to him, when it's really just the way he is reaching out to expand the base.

Once you see past this, you will realize the true potential that Mike Huckabee has. He's likable, he gets his message to people who wouldn't otherwise listen to a conservative, and his policies are still for the most part solidly conservative. He's not perfect, but I truly believe he will revolutionize the conservative movement-- in a GOOD way.

I find it highly entertaining the Huckabee supporters are overlooking a vast record of liberal tendencies while trumping Mike Huckabee's "conservative principles." We are witnessing one of the biggest charades in Presidential history and people are literally lapping it up and the nation gets "dumber" as it transpires.

Is the man a slick politician? Yes. Is he a conservative? Absolutely not.

Conservatives believe in smaller government, fewer taxes, and personal freedoms. Unfortunately, Governor Huckabee "governed" his state under opposite principles.

We're making it easy for the liberals............

Thompson's in there to support McCain. Right, right... And a monkey might fly out of my bum.

Perhaps you overlooked Senator Thompson laying into McCain on his pathetic immigration stance. I think you might have overlooked that part. Purty sure.

When you get to this level in politics, the players are in it to win. I think your suggestion to the contrary with regard to Senator Thompson is ... mmmm.... untenable.

Regards,

JHC

Thompson's in there to support McCain. Right, right... And a monkey might fly out of my bum.

Perhaps you overlooked Senator Thompson laying into McCain on his pathetic immigration stance. I think you might have overlooked that part. Purty sure.

When you get to this level in politics, the players are in it to win. I think your suggestion to the contrary with regard to Senator Thompson is ... mmmm.... untenable.

Regards,

JHC

Well, what I can say that is different than the rest of you!

Watching the Myrtle Beach debate last night I realized right away that Fred Thompson is the best person for the job of President! I was so impressed with his knowledge of the issues discussed last night - I went to see him in person at a local breakfast spot today.

He was kind and spoke in a down to earth tone that seemed to please the crowd of people and me!

Go FRED08

Vince Lewis

While I'll admit Fred Thompson did better at the SC debate then any other he certainly didn't win in my opinion. It's obvious that Huckabee is his biggest competition and he was trying to discredit him. I think the Republican party better get a clue, the majority of the population is sick of the war and the current administration. It's going to take a great communicator like Mike Huckabee to beat the democrats. And Ron Paul is right, we can't afford this war and we are going to financially cripple our great nation. In case you haven't heard, we've lost our AAA rating for the first time in 100 years.

They're all dark horses

None of the Republican candidates still left are going anywhere until it's reasonably clear that their party won't have a contested convention this year. That, plus the front-loaded primary schedule this year, are the main reasons they could end up with a contested convention.

A contested convention would give even the lower tier contenders a good shot at VP, and even, on the umpteenth ballot, after the front-runners have knocked each other off, a decent shot at the presidential nomination. They're not giving up those lottery tickets until and unless they have become clearly worthless by way of one of them getting a lock on a first ballot win.

Oh, and by the way, whether or not there's going to be a contested Republican convention is also the question that Bloomberg wants answered before he decides to run or not. A contested Republican convention, this year, would probably not be brokerable. It could get very ugly, and very destructive for the party. Which is where a moderate Republican not slimed by the whole nomination fiasco steps in under a third-party banner to take half their voters, a big slug of independents, and even a chunk of Dems. It could be that the only way that a Republican could win this year would be to run against those damn Republicans, and Bloomberg has figured out how to do that. But for this to work, he probably needs the internally weakened and externally discredited Republican party that would emerge from a contested convention, so he won't go unless the party seems set to self-destruct in Minneapolis.

I like Romney and Thompson. But I don't think Thompson has the ability to be the leader Romney is. During these crucial times, and we need a leader who can get things done.

Are any of these guys good at foreign policy?

Check this out. "In Search of...Fred Thompson." Reality star and former congressional candidate Raj Bhakta sets out on a quest to find the missing GOP candidate Fred Thompson. Funny stuff. http://youtube.com/watch?v=34eIaC7rWjU

I agree with Rip. Mitt Romney would be the best leader. He has the best credentials of the group and is one of the few that is a proven leader.

Why does no one bring up Huckabee's lack of education? All the other candidates have significantly more education which is usually considered essential to get any job. Why is it not important for the office of President of the United States?


Huckabee went to Bible College for two and a half years earning their verson of a Bachelors degree

Paul has a four-year Bachelors degree and an MD

Romney has a four-year Bachelors degree, Masters in Business and a law degree

Thompson has a four-year Bachelors degree and law degree

Rudy has a four-year Bachelors degree and a law degree

Hunter has a four-year Bachelors degree and a law degree

McCain graduated from the Naval Academy

Huckabee has let Murderer's and Rapists go free,
to let them Murder and Rape again. He knows almost
nothing about foreign policy except maybe that it takes place outside the U.S. He obviously hates mormons I can only wonder about who else he hates.

Its Fred Thompson or bust, the only true conservative.

Mike Huckabee is the only Republican who can beat the Democrats in the general election. He has not pandered to the far right, like Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson. He looks youthful and energetic, unlike John McCain and Rudy Giuliani. Huckabee has displayed intellect, character, courage, and strength at the debates. He has governing experience that the Democratic Senators don't have. He has beaten the the Clinton machine before. He can win because the majority of people in this country want a strong national defense. That will be his trump card.

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Those people who want to compare Mitt Romney's education favorably with Mike Huckabee's are nuts! Romney went to an Ivy League college. So did I. So what! It is filled with some bright kids but also many from prominent families who are mediocre, but got in because Daddy is a big contributor. Romney has shown no creativity in his campaign or in the debates, and comes across like Ken of Ken and Barbie. He has no core principles. His answers are the products of a huge paid staff who give him arguing points.

Huckabee graduated magna cum laude in two and a half years. He has "less" education because he learned twice as fast! He thinks for himself. His quick mind is evident in every debate. He probably has 25 IQ points on Romney. Romney has enriched himself by being a venture capitalist ($250 million fortune). Huckabee has been, and will continue to be, a servant leader.

There is simply no comparison between the two.

FRED THOMPSON is the best person to lead this country. He is a true conservative and has been his entire life. All one has to do is check his record to see this.

During my time in the Army as an Intelligence Analyst, I served under both Presidents Carter and Reagan (as my commanders in chief). Without argument, President Reagan was the best commander-in-chief a military person could ever have served under. Fred Thompson possesses the same qualities and vision as President Reagan in that he is strong on national defense and sees a dire need to secure our borders and control immigration.

I can think of no better person to lead this country and fix the problems we have. He is the only candidate from either party who has specific and detailed plans on border security and immigration reform; revitalization of America’s armed forces; saving and protecting Social Security; and tax relief and economic growth. These are detailed on his Web site at www.fred08.com . I challenge you to find any other candidate who has laid out specific plans to fix anything.

Fred Thompson has published his first principles, some of which are mentioned above. In addition to those, he strongly believes in individual liberty, personal responsibility, limited government, federalism, traditional American values, the rule of law and is a strong proponent of the Second Amendment — all concepts established during the birth of our country and documented in our Constitution.

Again, try to find any candidate who has laid out their plans to “fix” this country. You will find they all speak in vague and abstract terms on their plans.

For those who have heard Fred Thompson speak, you will usually hear him say that the Fred Thompson you see today is the same Fred Thompson you saw yesterday and is the same Fred Thompson you will see tomorrow. He stands by his principles and values and doesn’t shift his positions based on polls or public opinion; in other words, he doesn’t say what the voters want to hear just to get elected, but remains steadfast on his views and convictions.

During his time in the Senate he focused on three areas: to lower taxes, strengthen national security and expose waste in the federal government. Fred Thompson has foreign policy experience, having served as member of the Senate Foreign Relations and Senate Intelligence committees.

As chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, he opened the investigation in 1997 on the Chinese government’s attempt to influence American policies and elections, and this investigation identified connections with the Clinton administration (documented in the committee’s report).

As a member of the Finance Committee, he worked tirelessly to enact three major tax-cut bills. Fred Thompson remains steadfast and even though a person may not agree with all his views and he understands some may disagree with him, you can count on him to be consistent and unwavering.

Don’t be fooled by his laid back approach and what critics call his “laziness.” As a former assistant U.S. attorney, he earned a reputation as a tough prosecutor and he possesses the toughness this country needs in order to tackle today’s and tomorrow’s issues.

I ask that you take a hard look at what this country needs, then take a hard look at all the other candidates’ views, policies, their records and their track record on consistency. Fred Thompson possesses integrity, loyalty, commitment, energy and decisiveness, all traits of an effective leader, and will emerge as the best person to take this country boldly forward.

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Fred Thompson/Mitt Romney is the answer! Just like Reagan/Bush in 1980!!

What can I say, but Frederick Paxson is absolutely correct. Vote smart. Vote for Fred.

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