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The Pinkerton Factor

12 Jan 2008 11:36 am

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To the best of my knowledge, Jim Pinkerton is America's tallest political pundit by a pretty wide margin, big enough to be an NBA swingman, in my judgment (no idea about his game, don't actually know the guy, but have been in an elevator with him). He's also hopping aboard Mike Huckabee's presidential campaign where he's supposed to add some policy substance to the folksy populism and stuff about Chuck Norris:

A Newsday columnist and Fox News contributor, Pinkerton worked in both the Reagan and Bush 41 White Houses as well as the presidential campaigns of each. As a respected voice among right-leaning pundits, he'll bring instant credibility to a campaign that has drawn scorn from the conservative establishment.

Maybe. But depending on how you look at it, Pinkerton is some combination of too interesting, too honest, and too wacky to really add credibility to a GOP primary campaign. Consider his April 2004 column slamming George W. Bush for failing to react more forcefully to the CIA's summer 2001 warnings about the likelihood of an al-Qaeda attack. The base has gotten disillusioned with Bush, but I still don't think they're ready to hear that the hero of 9/11's incompetence played a role in leaving the country so vulnerable to attack.

He's a member of the "Futurists Board" of the Lifeboat Foundation, an organization that advocates for "effective nanotechnological defensive strategies, and even self-sustaining space colonies in case the other defensive strategies fail." He's a contributing editor at The American Conservative, the paleocon magazine, and recently has been waxing orthodox with a heavy emphasis on his anti-immigration views. But back in 2005, he wrote a column titled "Slaughter of Sunni Foes is Inevitable" which made some arguments that are rather at odds with the current logic of the Awakening strategy:

When will the anti-American violence in Iraq end? It will end when we unleash the Shia Arab Muslims and the Kurds to finish the job, all the way to the bloody extreme. We're not ready for such unleashing just yet, but we're getting close.

Advocacy of genocide as a counterinsurgency strategy aside, hiring Pinkerton is a big step forward for Huckabee. He's a smart guy with a lot of ideas. But he's a very unorthodox thinker many of whose ideas are at odds with the prevailing CW in the conservative camp (sometimes in a good way, other times, as with the aforementioned counterinsurgency-by-genocide in not so good ways) and it strikes me as unlikely that this will really endear Huckabee to institutional conservatism.

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Huckabee is the closest available thing to a potential leader of something that looks like Lind's possible white nationalist* party. I suspect that's what interests Pinkerton.

* Descriptively intended,implying a pseudo-ethnic, psuedo-cultural grouping, and not implying any racist or even racialist motivations to such a party.

"Advocacy of genocide... aside..."

Really? We're just going to let that one slip by? So its no big deal if Ann Coulter signs up for the foreign policy team? She is also a very unorthodox thinker (McCarthy was good? What counter-intuitive thinking!) and respected on the right.

What is Matt talking about, advocating genocide as a solution to our Iraq problems is far from an unpopular idea on the right. I get the feeling Matt gives too much benefit of the doubt to some of his Conservative friends.

Yeah, but at least it will keep him and that stupid fucking chuckle he has off Bloggingheads.tv for a while. Good riddance.

From the article:

"Yet, in the history of warfare, it's massacring that works. Gary Brecher, who writes the online column "War Nerd," observes, "The only effective counterinsurgency techniques are torture, reprisal and, ultimately, genocide.""

"Slaughter is not the solution Americans were led to expect in 2003, but it's the solution that's coming, finally."

That's some pretty vile shit right there. I mean, I find myself getting harder and harder to shock, but Jesus. I don't want this man anywhere near a position of power.

To be fair, he is only advocating genocide of some Muslims, whic I guess makes him a moderate in comparion to people like Steyn who want to kill all of them.

I have it in for this guy particularly, however, since he published an article invoking Tolkien as support for his Holy War. As a Tolkienist, it sticks in my craw.

To be fair, he is only advocating genocide of some Muslims, which I guess makes him a moderate in comparison to people like Steyn who want to kill all of them.

I have it in for this guy particularly, however, since he published an article invoking Tolkien as support for his Holy War. As a Tolkienist, it sticks in my craw.

"and it strikes me as unlikely that this will really endear Huckabee to institutional conservatism. "

Huckabee doesn't think about consequences.

" What is Matt talking about, advocating genocide as a solution to our Iraq problems is far from an unpopular idea on the right."
Posted by soullite

Agreed, but it's hardly the public face they try to put on the Iraq show.

"Space colonies..."

Yeah, I always though Huckabee looked a little narrow between the eyes.

Maybe space colonies could help?

When all your problems involve too many enemies, all your solutions start looking like a gas chamber.

You would think that after the Hutus decided to kill of the Tutsis as part of a counterinsurgency campaign, killed around 80% of the population and still got their asses kicked by the RPF before having to escape to the former Zaire that people would realize genocide isn't all it's cracked up to be. Plus, the only other Tutsi nation was neighboring Burundi. There are only two other Shia-majority nations, Iran and Bahrain, while Iraq is near Saudi Arabia - the country that controls Mecca and Medina - and isn't too far away from a whole bunch of other Sunnis nations. Sunnis make up the majority of Muslims. You would think after the Soviets got their asses kicked in a worldwide jihad away from the Middle East in a country with sites nowhere near as holy as some in Iraq that they wouldn't get how big this jihad will end up being if an explicit genocide is carried out against Iraqi Sunnis.

Then again, this is a guy who thinks the fact that there is a band called Slipknot is a travesty for us a nation. The only travesty about Slipknot is that they suck. Meanwhile, I doubt he was complaining in the 1980's when there was a popular band named after the sex slave brothel at Auschwitz, Joy Division.

"The only effective counterinsurgency techniques are torture, reprisal and, ultimately, genocide.""

"Slaughter is not the solution Americans were led to expect in 2003, but it's the solution that's coming, finally."

If a Shiite Iraqi politician said this sort of thing in public he'd be criticized, not only by the US, but also by Moqtada al Sadr. Just wanted to point that out, so you'll know the answer in Trivial Pursuit: Genocide Edition to the question:

"Who howled more publicly for Sunni blood during the Iraq War--Iraq's most violent Shiite militia chieftain or a foreign policy adviser to Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee?"

I've watched him and David Corn on bloggingheads, and most of the time he seems pretty sensible, except every now and then he espouses a view that makes me double-take. I can't remember which bloggingheads episode it was, but I believe he was saying something along the lines of "every mosque in this country should have a cop watching it". (When I have a bit more time, I'll try and dig up the link)

Ah yes, here's the link. The context of the whole discussion is an article Pinkerton wrote about how the West should "revive the notion of Christendom" to combat the spreading Islamic influence in Europe (see the whole discussion here).

There's something wrong with Pinky. He's more than a little Like the gangly, geek serial killer in "Manhunter" (where Brian Cox played Hannibal Lector). He's got his wires crossed in some bizarre fashion. If it turns out he's been cutting off huge swaths of the skin of his female victims and wearing it as pajamas...I for one will not be surprised.

C'mon, Matt, read the damn article.

Pinkerton isn't advocating genocide, he's explaining what will likely be the long-run consequences of our invasion of Iraq ... an invasion that you supported, as I recall.

Pinkerton was always my favorite Weezer album.

Pinkerton is kind of a dim bulb.

Nothing Huckabee could do would bring around the neo-cons or money-cons, and it's starting to look like he has the religious right sewn up already.

This guy might help with some of the heterodox GOP like the paleocons.

Steve Sailer has it right.

Pinkerton wasn't advocating genocide as a policy, he was predicting that it would become policy.

You know what would be helpful? I little browser plugin that, as you moused over something MattY says, would show you what he forgot to tell you and how he was basically misleading his readers. The only problem is that not even the VRWC has the funding for all the writing that would involve.

So, we're going to have to make do with what Steve Sailer pointed out above, together with me pointing out that MattY is probably misleading about his "anti-immigration views" and if we did some research we'd find out that wasn't an accurate description. I'm going to also guess that the childlike side of MattY is putting Lifeboat in the "wacky" camp; it does take a certain mindset to be able to plan for contingencies and clearly MattY isn't that type.

"The only effective counterinsurgency techniques are torture, reprisal and, ultimately, genocide."

If that is true, wouldn't the most humane conclusion be to avoid situations which called for counterinsurgency?

Pinkerton may have been in the Bush I and Reagan administration, but in the eyes of today's conservative movement, he's WAY off the reservation. He believes the party's been hijacked by neoconservatives, disdains Richard Perle and Joe Lieberman, blames both Bush and Clinton for failing to prevent 9/11 and makes no bones about his feeling that the Iraq was has been bungled badly. He's regularly posted on antiwar.com and in paleocon mag The American Conservative. Adding Pinkerton to Huckabee's team is pretty much guaranteed to further alienate "The Village" and The Corner alike.

On the other hand, he is a racist, anti-immigrant Christian supremacist, so there is that.

Also, Pinkerton's referencing of Gary Brecher is pretty hilarious. Brecher is a gonzo persona adopted by John Dolan for the not-quite-but-almost-serious Russian expatriot mag The eXile. "Brecher" says a lot of offensive stuff (most of which is vile but well-informed), but the gag is his persona is a fat, impotent nerd in Frenzo living out war fantasies in monthly columns while sneering at modern neoconservatives. It's a little like making a foreign policy attribution to Steven Colbert or Borat.

Genocide is certainly, ahem, unorthodox.

Ah, genocide and torture! Ain't life grand in the good ol' USA?

Through a freak happenstance, I was able to put on my Clintonian hat and I'm going to backtrack from calling MattY's statement that Pinkerton holds "anti-immigration views" a lie. Because, there are at least two ways to parse that (Bill 'n' Hill could probably provide many more).

1. He opposes some varieties of immigration. However, I'm sure MattY does as well. I doubt whether MattY would support the 5 billion+ people who are poorer than Mexicans immigrating here, for instance.

2. He opposes all immigration.

So, perhaps MattY would care to be intellectually honest and a real pundit for a change and clarify the matter.

For instance, the following article is linked from his WP profile; apparently we're supposed to be shocked:

amconmag.com/2005/2005_12_05/feature.html

Does that help, MattY?

There's also this:

newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-oppin085450952nov08,0,298901.column

Suggestion to MattY: if I want intellectual dishonesty, I can just get it straight from the source, I don't need him to simply provide a hasty rewrite:

mediamatters.org/items/200707020009

This is about showing the MSM that Huck is a 'real' candidate, not just a preacher with a flock. Remember, Pinkerton write for the Daily News, comments on Fox. And is on Mickey Kaus' blogroll.

In other words, Serious.

Woah. Did everyone hate Matt about two weeks ago and I just didn't notice? The love has gone away . . . gone away . . .

No, people are just getting tired of Matt adopting the methods of Josh Marshall, whose feet he learned at, and engaging in "drive-by snark" with no facts to back it up with, then running and hiding behind his refusal to engage his readers.

I have no clue who this guy he's complaining about now is, and don't care. However, the cited material doesn't seem sufficient to view him as some sort of genocidal lunatic.

If the guy is saying that the only way to defeat an insurgency is genocide, he might well be right. Certainly there's no EASY way to defeat an insurgency. That's entirely different from saying that's how the US should do it. It's also different from saying that's how the US will do it. But I wouldn't be surprised if the US does adopt such a policy once the insurgency starts up again sometime this year.

Henderstock -

"The only effective counterinsurgency techniques are torture, reprisal and, ultimately, genocide."

If that is true, wouldn't the most humane conclusion be to avoid situations which called for counterinsurgency?

I think that was the point.

I'm sure Pinkerton is well aware that "Gary Brecher" is a pen name. But life is too short to explain that in a newspaper column. How often is a Mark Twain quote attributed to Samuel Clemens? I've been a War Nerd fan ever since Brecher threatened to burn down Victor Davis Hanson's vineyard.

Off topic, but isn't Mike Huckabee a Southern Baptist? If he's the GOP nominee, the Democrats are going to get zero traction portraying him as a religious nut. Other Southern Baptists that you've perhaps heard of include Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Harry Truman.

So, to sum it up in case some reporter sees this posting and thinks about creating a mini-scandal about how "Huckabee Advisor Urges Genocide," it turns out that Matt basically got the whole story backwards, so never mind ...

But is he taller than David Gergen?

Well, I certainly wouldn't agree with everything Pinkerton's written, but I think there's something else really going on here beneath the surface.

This really looks like a major op-research sort of attack, and when was the last time you heard of anyone committing major resources of that type to an attack on a lesser-known pundit like Pinkterton? He's certainly not remotely as prominent as Kristol or Friedman or even that endless horde of Kagans.

The key point is that Pinkerton's NOT a neocon, and opposes the crazy Iraq War and most of their other foreign policy lunacies. I think the neocons view his joining the Huckabee campaign as a huge potential problem for them.

Basically, at the beginning of this election cycle, the neocons decided to "play it safe" and cover pretty much all the numbers on the roulette wheel.

McCain used to be the "neocon" candidate, and his policies are still completely controlled by them. The craziest of the neocons joined the Giuliani campaign and completely control its policy. I'm know that Romney's campaign is heavily seeded with lesser known neocons. Hillary has a bunch of the Democratic neocons, and Obama's campaign has a mix of "realists" but also (I'm pretty sure) some neocons.

But nobody bothered with Huckabee, since he was at 1%, had zero name ID, and was completely broke. Then, suddenly, Huckabee pops up from nowhere and now has a serious shot at the nominance. Hence, Bill Kristol's NYT column praising him, presumably beginning to lay the groundwork for a neocon takeover if necessary.

But Pinkerton's joining Huckabee might tend to block his. So Pinkerton has to be hit very, very hard in the media, and perhaps even driven out of the Huckabee campaign.

I suspect that expertise in certain complex parasite-rich biological ecosystems provides good insight into American politics. The same is also true for having read a lot of science fiction.

By the way, Karl Zinsmeister is almost as tall as Jim Pinkerton. I'd guess they are 6'8" and 6'-9", respectively.


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